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16 hours ago, Blackie said:

I can't believe that Jason loves Carly so much that he would actually fight for her when Sonny comes back.

This would be completely out of character as Jason has never fought for any of his love interests ever, he’s always been portrayed as very “whatever will be will be” with relationships. So judging by what’s been happening lately on this show, of course he will fight for her (give us strength). 

10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

did like Austin repeatedly saying that each child is different and that's all right.

I liked that part too. I didn’t like that he was kind of talking in circles because as a parent that would have freaked me out more. 
 

 

10 hours ago, Artsda said:

She isnt even the best Carly on the show (still say Tamara and she actually had chemistry with Jason and Sonny).

SJB was amazing and if she was still playing Carly I would probably be able to get behind a pairing with Jason. But Tamara was also my favorite Carly. She could be strong yet vulnerable. I used to like LW a lot more but lately all she does is look superior and smug. Shes made Carly so massively unlikeable that even when she has true vulnerable moments (her scenes with Liz, Sonny’s death) I just can’t sympathize with her. 

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As horrid as this Nixon Falls story is and how pathetic Nina looks, i still dont feel any sympathy or empathy for Sonny or Carly. They have done worse to the Port Charles, so really Im just...apathetic.

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9 hours ago, BlueMax said:

You can criticize the Carly character all you want, but Laura Wright is a hell of an actress and in my opinion runs circles around TB. 

I agree that LW is a more talented actress than TB, but Carly could be played by Meryl Streep, and it still wouldn't matter if she couldn't generate much chemistry with her costars. TB sparked with all her scene partners when she was playing Carly. They even pursued the Carly/Zander crack ship! LW has never clicked with much of the canvas. I've said before, the only men she's had decent chemistry with were Jax and AJ. SJB will always be my favorite Carly, and she was the best of both worlds. A strong actress who had incredible chemistry with everyone. 

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26 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

I used to like LW a lot more but lately all she does is look superior and smug. Shes made Carly so massively unlikeable that even when she has true vulnerable moments (her scenes with Liz, Sonny’s death) I just can’t sympathize with her. 

she plays her like a giant bully all the time.  It's not appealing. 

The scenes with Jason yesterday were just uncomfortable.  It really came off more like he was telling her what she needed to hear--there was zero feeling behind his words. 

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I actually didn't mind Austin talking around the issue of Leo's behavior. He's not a specialist ( although when has that stopped any doc at GH). 

He didnt want to throw out a diagnosis that could cause a strong reaction. 

( Case in point, my niece's pediatrician suggested she could be autistic when she was around 4. My brother and SIL were extremely upset, took her to a specialist, and she was diagnosed with learning challenges, but was not anywhere on the spectrum. )

Which is a long- winded way of saying a responsible doc wouldn't just throw out a diagnosis, they would suggest some testing. 

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12 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I did like Austin repeatedly saying that each child is different and that's all right.

I liked that, too, but I also feel like it's the show hedging its bets, trying to figure out how the audience is going to react to this story. If there's some sort of negative outcry, they can stick with the "everyone's different" line, but if people want them to go there, then they'll go farther. Pick a fucking lane, writers. You wreck everything anyway, what's the point of waffling?

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48 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

I actually didn't mind Austin talking around the issue of Leo's behavior. He's not a specialist ( although when has that stopped any doc at GH). 

He doesn't was to throw out a diagnosis that could cause a strong reaction.

Even though he can’t (and shouldn’t) throw out a diagnosis, as a medical professional he could have at least given his educated opinion (not binding of course).  I would have been freaked out with the way he was trying to say something without really saying it.  That makes it even more scary to me, but that’s just a personal thing. I do like that Austin said there was nothing “wrong” with Leo, and that all humans are different and need to find the best ways of learning for their specific situation.

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6 hours ago, ulkis said:

GH should have done anything and everything to get Geary and Elliot for a cameo to snark at the Jarly wedding from a balcony.

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16 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

Even though he can’t (and shouldn’t) throw out a diagnosis, as a medical professional he could have at least given his educated opinion (not binding of course).  I would have been freaked out with the way he was trying to say something without really saying it.  That makes it even more scary to me, but that’s just a personal thing. I do like that Austin said there was nothing “wrong” with Leo, and that all humans are different and need to find the best ways of learning for their specific situation.

i'm with this one. like how Austin was talking irritated and annoyed me but if i were a parent it would be freaking me out like "okay what is NOT wrong with my kid though? Why are you trying to find the right words to say?" 

 

if they do want to make Leo Austic or have something else on the spectrum - it willl be great (i think shows should do storylines like this) but it's only great if you do it well. and it's this show so ...

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13 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Nina's argument of "this is Mike, he shouldn't have to be bothered with Sonny's life" is just crap. If he wants to stay Mike, fine. But he has to clean up Sonny's mess first.

I think that whoever wrote it thought that a parent would freak out being told that his child was on the spectrum. It's often the opposite, that the parent is relieved to have a diagnosis, but  it's too early for Austin to give one yet. There's a lot of testing to be done first.

I did like Austin repeatedly saying that each child is different and that's all right.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they are setting it up for Olivia to be in denial about the diagnosis and for Ned to have to get through to her. It doesn’t seem like she’s noticed anything yet or if she had, she’s ignored or waved it off. She didn’t take him to the ER regarding how he was acting, it was for a cut. 

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Carly and Jason are definitely selling that ABC synergy, because they sounded like a couple straight out of The Bachelor:

"I'm starting to think that maybe I could fall for you...and that scares the hell out of me."   

"I, too, am beginning to sense the possibility of a future with you, perhaps even with the potential for love at some point down the road." 

I suspect the the writers are threading the needle between raising the stakes of the story (both couples declare their love roughly at the same time), but no actual passionate declarations to sully the eventual Sonny-Carly endgame.

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18 hours ago, VioletMarx said:

I actually appreciated that they had Austin spell out that there is nothing wrong with communicating in non traditional ways.

They seem to be telegraphing that Austin has personal experience with this, which wouldn't be a surprise, because RH plays every character like his idea of being on the spectrum.

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14 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I can't with this "Mike and Sonny are two different people" that Nina was yammering about today.  They are not.  Mike is exactly like Sonny, just without an organization to back up his anger.  Jax needs to just flat-out tell him who he is, then go back to PC and tell Jason and Carly where he is.  I'm over this Nixon Falls exile (so said we all).

I literally laughed out loud when, after SMike spewed one of his usual blustery threats, Jax said dryly, "I thought you might say that." There were decades of conflicts reflected in that handful of words. 

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14 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I literally laughed out loud when, after SMike spewed one of his usual blustery threats, Jax said dryly, "I thought you might say that." There were decades of conflicts reflected in that handful of words. 

me too. like. "surprise. he threatened me. "

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29 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

They seem to be telegraphing that Austin has personal experience with this, which wouldn't be a surprise, because RH plays every character like his idea of being on the spectrum.

I agree.  Maybe that's what the end reveal on all of this will be: that he has Aspberger's or something along those lines and the Leo point is just a way to introduce it.

 

16 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I literally laughed out loud when, after SMike spewed one of his usual blustery threats, Jax said dryly, "I thought you might say that."

LOL, right?  Jax all but said "same old Sonny" out loud. 

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So with Jarly, I guess we have ignore the decade or so that Sonny and Carly weren’t together since Jason claimed that he was holding back of Sonny all of this time. Their lack of chemistry is a big issue with this storyline but trying to make it seem like they’ve secretly wanted each other for decades completely ignores what we saw onscreen. This is so obviously plot driven and they’re going OTT in an attempt to sell it when it needed to be a character driven story. 

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Does anyone else think that maybe subconsciously SMike is happy to be free of Harpy She-beast and the rest of his miserable clan? There wasn't a lot of angst associated with his watch-hurling episode. Interesting: he and Jasus have one more thing in common - Brain Damage.

Austin and Maxie, huh? Seems random, but his laid-back attitude might help even out her hyper nature. She never seems to go very long between men though.

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2 hours ago, tvgoddess said:

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How about Britt, Brad, and a few barrels of ice cream, a la the televised Nurses Ball Red Carpet!

 

 

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Didn't Smike say once that he didn't want to remember because he had a feeling he wasn't a good person? Something to do with when he was holding a gun, iirc - which I probably don't because Nixon Falls was coffee refill time. 

I will miss Nixon Falls. Lots of days I could finish GH in less than 20 minutes.

I did enjoy Jax and Nina's scenes. So much truth hitting Nina like physical blows. 

Eta: Just thinking about Sonny's appeal and how all the smart women over the years have fallen into the trap of thinking they could fix him or save him. Which is why Sonny and Carly have always been so perfect together. She really only cared about what he could do for her and he only cared about her as a reflection of himself. I need them back together so the world will make sense again. 😏

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25 minutes ago, tessaray said:

Didn't Smike say once that he didn't want to remember because he had a feeling he wasn't a good person? Something to do with when he was holding a gun, iirc

 

yeah he said that. 
but the thing is they aren't going to do a Jason Morgan 2.0 where Sonny isnt a mobster he craves power too much. i mean hell even in NF he feels he needs to boss people and run things. its in his nature 

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Has Kirsten Storms always been so nasally sounding?  Her voice has really been annoying me lately. Has it always sounded like that? It’s like a high pitched whine. (Loving Maxie and BLQ though). 

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3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I liked that, too, but I also feel like it's the show hedging its bets, trying to figure out how the audience is going to react to this story. If there's some sort of negative outcry, they can stick with the "everyone's different" line, but if people want them to go there, then they'll go farther.

The fact that Leo thought to look for Austin to tell him how much he enjoyed the spinner argues that at the least he is high functioning.

 

1 hour ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Does anyone else think that maybe subconsciously SMike is happy to be free of Harpy She-beast and the rest of his miserable clan?

Looks like it but that may be me projecting.

He certainly didn't want to know about his other life though.

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Nina is one deluded woman. 
"if Carly and Jason get married there's no hole for Sonny to fill, and Mike and I can have a future." (so what happens when Sonny gets his memory back).
 

Jax is looking at her like she's crazy. Now he's bringing up Sasha, and how Nina didn't give zero craps about Valentine's intentions. this is the same thing.  Nina is squealing crying how she CAN'T LOSE MIKE.  Jax is like HE DOESN'T EXIST. Nina is like the love we have is real (lol okay). Jax said then if that's true it can withstand the truth. Then he's like I'm not going to have Carly run the business when Sonny is here and can run it himself. then Nina stops crying and it's like "Oh its not about me, or Mike, it's about Carh-leee"  (yeah you dumbwit. because Carly running the business is putting Joss in more danger which is what he told you two days ago. keep up). 

Jax shut that down super quick, and is saying dude, even if i kept quiet, Sonny's gonna remember. Nina. "You don't know it!!. Jax finally got through to her via the kids. Jax is teary eyed saying he never wanted to hurt Nina. Nina is saying "if you have any feelings left for me, you'll let me tell myself." (Yeah no, boo). Jax is like sure, you can but I'm not leaving Nixon falls until you do, and it needs to be today. 

Right now I feel so sorry for Cynthia Watros because the crap that is coming out of her mouth is mind blowing and I have no idea how they are going to rehab Nina from this. 


Phyllis is all oohh you told Nina you loved her yay Mike! (back on mute)

OOHH. MS WOO! (I thought we were going to hear how they were going to plan a wedding massacre but they are just gonna hit a warehouse so back to mute).

Okay Jason and Carly are still kissing and they are going to have a real marriage. Where is my skipole? I need to gag (also. mute)

Sasha and Brando and Gladys. (mute)

Curtis is calling Jordan baby and how she can't die (mute). 

Maxie isn't liking how Brooklyn is raising Bailey. They are talking about self soothing. Brooklyn and Valentine don't want to spoil Bailey by picking her up every time she fusses so if she doesn't need anything, they leave her be. Maxie is like is it easier to ignore her because she's not really Brooklyn's daughter. BLQ gave her a "You did not just go there." look. Brooklyn gently tells Maxie that she gave Bailey to BLQ, and BLQ LOVES Bailey and will do what is best for her until maxie can have her back. Maxie is like I am her mother and you shouldn't be deciding her care" so BLQ is like so do you want her back then?"  I'm over this.  Maxie is like it's not safe yet.  (so shut up Maxie). 

OH yay. it's Peter. said no one ever. 

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Is it totally bizarre that I'm kind of hoping that when Nina tells Sonny the truth, he'll be all like, "screw the mob, screw Carly, let's just stay here and make marinara sauce.  Jax wants to invest."

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I can't take another week of the wedding day, no matter how entertainingly delusional Nina is being.

Ms. Woo has a great set of gams on her.

Wow, that closeup of Portia showed how much makeup they pile on the women. Yikes.

"You understood wrong; I am still her husband." "Mazel tov. Go on in." Hee. Sometimes RoHo's deadpan works really well.

What has happened to Jason? There's no way he's falling in love with Carly. Show, WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

What has happened to Jason? There's no way he's falling in love with Carly. Show, WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Is this Burton's punishment for getting COVID?

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Where do I even begin? 

Sonny or Mike, the guy is still as dumb as a box of rocks. I don't even know how he functions, but here we are.

Maxie is a total jerk. I get that she wants her kid back, but her attitude toward the woman who is caring for her child was kind of cruel, I thought. And honestly, Maxie's whole I have two other children was just laughable. Georgie was raised by Ellie and Spinelli. And James spends more time at Felicia and Mac's daycare (also, where is Mac???) than he does with his mother. So take a seat, Maxie. I hope Nina blows up your world by telling Peter where he can find his kid. Then they can both go and vanish.

Nina is completely deluded. Girlfriend has lost her goddamn mind. 

Carly behaving like a giddy high school girl was just . . . I was staring at my screen wondering why I was watching this.

So we had a meeting of three families. Who is the other one? Also, stop blowing up warehouses. Man up all of you. Grow a pair and eliminate the enemy. Just take Jason out while he's standing at the altar. Fucking hell, these mobsters are so useless.

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13 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

So we had a meeting of three families. Who is the other one? Also, stop blowing up warehouses. Man up all of you. Grow a pair and eliminate the enemy. Just take Jason out while he's standing at the altar. Fucking hell, these mobsters are so useless.

they don't like the other one. the plan is those three take other jason and the other one then divide PC between those 3. 

(if Woo was smart, she'd take out all 4, and rule it all)

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Props to any actor having to have that intubation thing on their mouth. It looks so uncomfortable.

Good for Jax for bringing up Sasha and Valentin to Nina. That lie is an exact parallel.

LOL at Sasha bringing up Brando's stripping. Johnny Wactor's expressions were great. And wow, Sofia Mattsson is ready to pop. She looks great.

"That Mr. Jax is much too pushy for my taste." Oh, Phyllis. You sweet summer child.

Is a gas leak the same as carbon monoxide? 

24 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Also, stop blowing up warehouses. Man up all of you. Grow a pair and eliminate the enemy. Just take Jason out while he's standing at the altar. Fucking hell, these mobsters are so useless.

I know. Jason won't die, alas, but that would have more drama that blowing up some stupid warehouse or whatever lame thing they do.

24 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Maxie is a total jerk. I get that she wants her kid back, but her attitude toward the woman who is caring for her child was kind of cruel, I thought.

She was so mean to BLQ, especially because it's not as if BLQ is doing anything wrong, just not as Maxie would. With Peter alive we have to have a Bailey/Louise-in-danger story, and Maxie is setting that up now. Or will Nina throw her under the bus to save herself?

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The Three Families are so lame. They have the perfect opportunity to take over, now that they have tricked Carly and Jason into actually getting married, and all they are doing is blowing up a warehouse? Blow up every warehouse, attack the Corinthos soldiers at the wedding.  Where is Faith when we need her?  Sheesh, no wonder Sonny rules the territory, everyone else is weak

Maxie overreacted but it must be very hard to have Brook Lynn raising Louise when she wants her so badly.

Shut up Phyllis . She's as delusional as Nina.

What is the point of bringing back Pster now? Nina has nothing to fear from him because she's going to tell Mike the truth. Call the police. Or let Sonny beat him up to feel better and then call the police

I just couldn't with the Jarly lovey dovey scenes. Blech.

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6 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

What is the point of bringing back Pster now? Nina has nothing to fear from him because she's going to tell Mike the truth. Call the police. Or let Sonny beat him up to feel better and then call the police

he threatened james too.

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I don't even know what to say.  Pulling the trigger on Carly/Jason is something I've thought could be soapy, and made sense with the void of Sonny being "dead", but the way they did it is bad soap, especially because it's clear there was a last-minute pivot into it.  Why else all the mooning Jason did about Britt!

And speaking of, it suuucks they dragged my girl into this.  I knew her being in Jason's orbit would end badly, but I didn't expect this.

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44 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

So we had a meeting of three families. Who is the other one? Also, stop blowing up warehouses. Man up all of you. Grow a pair and eliminate the enemy. Just take Jason out while he's standing at the altar. Fucking hell, these mobsters are so useless.

It's kind of stupid.  I don't know how most mobs are in real life.  But Sonny's mob seems to be him, Jason and the hired help.  If they take out Jason, who is going to retaliate?  

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1 hour ago, absnow54 said:

Is this Burton's punishment for getting COVID?

Wait - he had Covid and is now sucking face with LW? Not sure how I feel about that.😉

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3 minutes ago, Daisy said:

he threatened james too.

I know. But now that the Mike secret is going to be out, Nina can call Anna and Mac and have the WSB protect James until Peter is caught. She has nothing to hide any more and Peter is just a big bogeyman.

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1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

 

I know. But now that the Mike secret is going to be out, Nina can call Anna and Mac and have the WSB protect James until Peter is caught. She has nothing to hide any more and Peter is just a big bogeyman.

yeah true. honestly. i don't care because I saw Peter and i was like of course he's here. and i like how he walked in all 1970 Doctor Who villian complete with contorted face. (and by liked i mean, rolled my eyes really hard and deleted the episode off my pvr)

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Phyllis comes off very petty in this Nixon Falls story line.  Her character has been portrayed as someone who is very sensible and compassionate.  The compassion is there, but the sensibility has gone out the window.  She should have been the first person to urge SMike to do everything possible to find out about his past.  Sorry, but I'm ready for this Nixon Falls garbage to come to a quick end.

Again today, Nina did a lot of talking, but said nothing that made any moral sense.  It's a miracle that Jax hasn't called for the local loony bin to put Nina in a straight jacket.

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2 hours ago, Daisy said:

Brooklyn and Valentine don't want to spoil Bailey by picking her up every time she fusses so if she doesn't need anything, they leave her be. Maxie is like is it easier to ignore her because she's not really Brooklyn's daughter. BLQ gave her a "You did not just go there." look.

“When James was that little he fell asleep in my arms”.  Where did your other kid fall asleep, the one who grew up on the other side of the country away from you.  And where are these two kids right now??  Ummmm, yeah I’m going to need Maxie to shut up right now. Glass houses and all that.

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Why are they pivoting back towards Jordan and Curtis? This Jordan/Curtis/Portia triangle needs to die already. All I feel now is that both women deserve better than him. 

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How did Jordan end up inhaling more of the gas than Portia? Portia was the one yelling and screaming and pounding on the door, which would have caused her to inhale more air than Jordan who passed out pretty quickly, I assumed from the head wound.

My vote is that Austin is on the spectrum, which is why he picked up Leo's apparent oddities which we have never seen or heard of before. I can understand why he didn't want to say what he thought the issue might be, though. A friend of my son was diagnosed with being on the spectrum years ago, and his father flipped.out. And a friend's son was diagnosed, and her husband flipped.out.  (The mums were just happy to know what was going on and what they could do to help their kids reach their potential.) Waiting for an actual diagnosis is a very good idea if the parents have no idea there might be something different about their child.

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9 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

"I'm just a boy  standing in front of a she-beast, asking her to love me."

Can't. stop. laughing.

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What a bunch of dumbasses on this show. What kind of life did Nina and sonny think they would have had in Nixon falls?

Carly and Jason talking about the wedding and the mob families are talking about getting rid of Jason and Carly. Stupid Jason and carly.

 

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2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Shut up Phyllis . She's as delusional as Nina.

She really is.  She looked cute today, though, in her jeans and peasant blouse.  That's all I've got.

I swear to god, if Peter prevents Nina from telling Smike the truth on Monday...

Miss Woo, why are you blowing up warehouses instead of the Church where that abomination is going to occur?

Me when everyone was congregating at the hospital for Jordan: well, at least Shawn isn't the...oh, goddamnit.

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4 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

She looked cute today, though, in her jeans and peasant blouse. 

That was a great look for Phyllis.

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I thought today’s show just stunk all the way around except for Jax. IR’s acting has been the best I’ve seen from him in ages! I’ll be happy if I never have to see Nina cry again, Maxie criticizing BL over the way she’s raising Maxie’s baby(!) or Carly/Jason making google eyes again. The only saving grace today is that we weren’t subjected to Michael and Willow, the most boring couple on the planet.

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2 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

“When James was that little he fell asleep in my arms”.  Where did your other kid fall asleep, the one who grew up on the other side of the country away from you.  And where are these two kids now?

IIRC, there was a court case and Maxie lost custody of Georgie in one of the typical stunningly unfair GH court cases. Right now the kids are on a vacation road trip with their grandparents and I think that's fair enough especially with Peter still a danger to Maxie and her kids.

1 hour ago, Pingaponga said:

. A friend of my son was diagnosed with being on the spectrum years ago, and his father flipped.out. And a friend's son was diagnosed, and her husband flipped.out.  (The mums were just happy to know what was going on and what they could do to help their kids reach their potential.)

Never let it be said that women are the weaker sex.

This being GH however, Olivia is going to be the one to flip out and Ned the saint.

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3 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I don't even know what to say.  Pulling the trigger on Carly/Jason is something I've thought could be soapy, and made sense with the void of Sonny being "dead", but the way they did it is bad soap, especially because it's clear there was a last-minute pivot into it.  Why else all the mooning Jason did about Britt!

And speaking of, it suuucks they dragged my girl into this.  I knew her being in Jason's orbit would end badly, but I didn't expect this.

It's very clear they did an abrupt 180 on this storyline. They could have done it the right way, with Jason and Carly comforting each other (gross) after Sonny died. There was plenty of time to build this organically and in a way that made sense. Whether or not SBu and LW have any kind of sexual or romantic chemistry is another point entirely. But the writing could have been there. But instead, Jason and Britt started working together against Cyrus (in November of last year!), opened up, she confided in him about her illness, they saved each other's lives, went on the run, bonded in a majorly emotional way, had a drawn out sex scene with music and a fireplace, then were starting to turn into something for real then the MOC happened. Jason was sad. He was nauseated every time he looked at Carly. And then it all just got dropped. It's Carly's World, y'all! 

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Maybe I'm being overly sensitive because Phyllis is played by a Black actress, but it really bugs me how she (and previously Lenny, PIP) exists just to prop up this fauxmance. There's that whole icky "magical negro" trope.

And it especially bothers me now that she's a widow who would normally not have a huge emotional reserve to spend on a pair of new acquaintances. Usually only either elderly white ladies or POC characters (or Elizabeth) are robbed of a reasonable grieving period.     

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