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Just caught up on this week's shows and god, Sam really is an idiot! Even though, generally, speaking, I think we're supposed to be on Sam and all the Corinthii's side at all times, maybe it was just the way KeMo played those scenes, or them finally acknowledging onscreen that all Delores is trying to do is her job, but I felt like we were actually not supposed to root for Sam in those scenes on Thursday. And, while I wanted to slap her for what she said to Alexis I actually really appreciated that she instantly and sincerely apologized and seemed upset over what she said. It was the most I've seen KeMo engaged in a scene in a while. Usually, in those type of scenes, Sam gets away with treating Alexis like shit and doesn't have to apologize. My biggest issue with Sam, ultimately, was that she saw that Alexis was in a vulnerable state and left her alone in a bar. It's possible Alexis would have relapsed anyway, but given that she only had the one drink and only had it because the bartender offered it to her, she might not have.

On 3/27/2020 at 6:04 PM, driver18 said:

By the way, I took that 'you're not going to win,' as she wasn't going to succeed in manipulating Nelle... which is EXACTLY what Carly was trying to do.

 

That's not how I saw that moment at all. It looked like Nelle was finally seeing reason and not thinking of herself and her issues and was going to sign until she realized it would be giving Carly a win. It showed to me once again that beating Carly and Michael and everyone she hates is more important than her son.

On 3/27/2020 at 4:07 PM, BlancheDevoreaux said:

I know this unpopular, but I don't like Nelle. I said that (as well as the comment that she looks like she smells of stale urine and cigarettes) on the unpopular opinions board and stand by it. I hate her so much that I'm rooting for the Corinthos clan which never happens. Which means I hate her even more for making me not actively root for all Corinthii to die.

I'll join you at that unpopular table. I know we've had this discussion recently but I really just do not find Nelle as entertaining as others do. I think CL is an okay actress but nothing special and I've thought that from the beginning. Nelle is too much a of a smug, smarmy sociopath for me to find her entertaining or to root for her. I won't go so far as to say that I root for the Corinthos clan over her. I would be fine with Nelle taking out Sonny, Carly, and Jason in a murder/suicide type deal. I don't root for anyone of those characters over the other. And when it comes to any of the other characters against Nelle, I'll take any of them all day, any day over her. They all have every reason to look down their nose at Nelle and hate her guts. Monica doesn't need to act sympathetically toward Nelle. The bitca tried to burn her grandson alive. Monica's attitude toward Nelle is exactly how she should treat Sonny and Carly. I have no issue with Michael, Willow, Sasha, or Chase (especially given their history together) hating Nelle and "ganging" up on her.

On 3/27/2020 at 6:53 PM, lala2 said:

In my version, Michael would browbeat Nelle into signing, they would do the surgery, but Wiley dies b/c of some complications or whatever. That way, Michael would have to live w/the knowledge and the guilt that he killed his son w/this unnecessary procedure, and Nelle could rightfully blame him. Michael could have a breakdown and maybe turn to alcohol to cope.

It's not unnecessary surgery. Michael may be overselling the need to have the surgery right away, but as they've said repeatedly, just because it's called elective surgery does not mean it's not important or necessary. This isn't a boob job or a tonsillectomy. There's a hole in his heart. It's about the potential quality of the rest of his life. He might turn out to be just fine without the surgery, but there's a chance he won't be. If Nelle agrees to the surgery she would have no right to blame Michael. Unless he coerced her in some way, Nelle would have consented of her own free will and Michael wants the surgery because of the doctor's advice. If Nelle wanted to blame someone it would be the doctor's (or Monica) who would be at fault. 

On 3/27/2020 at 8:40 PM, statsgirl said:

It really feels like they're done at least a 90 degree switch on Nelle. Suddenly she's the most sympathetic one in the storyline.

I don't think they've done a switch with Nelle. I don't think they're trying to write her sympathetically. That a lot of people find her sympathetic (at least on this board) I think is more based on hatred of the people she's up against rather than a change in her writing. And, for me, she's definitely not the most sympathetic one in this storyline and still sucks.

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9 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I don't think they've done a switch with Nelle. I don't think they're trying to write her sympathetically. That a lot of people find her sympathetic (at least on this board) I think is more based on hatred of the people she's up against rather than a change in her writing. And, for me, she's definitely not the most sympathetic one in this storyline and still sucks.

I'm going to have to disagree here because I frequent another board and on that board the majority of posters positively HATE Nelle with a passion and don't generally seem to have a problem with Carly, Jason, Michael, the Corinthii in general. Yet, in this situation--except for a handful of die-hard Nelle haters--many find themselves on Nelle's side even if they hate that they are. And it's because of how the story has been written.

For instance, prior to the hospital scenes, I was literally the only poster defending Nelle--that she genuinely loved Wiley. And then a few days later, during the hospital scenes, the majority of posters were on her side. Even though some were loathe to admit it, they were saying that she might actually be looking out for Wiley, her past kidney surgery experience was probably a factor (which it was). They also said that she had a right to be there and that it was understandable that she wanted a second opinion that wasn't from Michael's family, especially since this was an elective surgery. Also, quite a few said that she was being ganged up on by Michael, Sasha, Willow and his family.

Again, these are viewers who don't like Nelle and are fine with Carly, Michael and the Corinthii generally. But the way these scenes were written made them side with Nelle even though they didn't even want to.

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11 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I think is more based on hatred of the people she's up against rather than a change in her writing. And, for me, she's definitely not the most sympathetic one in this storyline and still sucks.

For me, it's how Carly, Sasha, Michael, Willow and even Monica are behaving right now in this situation.

Everyone is jumping to berate Nelle and condemn her. They're so caught up in their own hysteria that it doesn't occur to anyone that Nelle has been blindsided by this and even if she is a sociopath, she may still have some parental feelings for her son.  No one is trying to sit down with Nelle and talk her through the surgery, the risks and the benefits. Monica is the best, printing off a bunch of journal articles that Nelle won't be able to understand but it's still not good enough. If I didn't know better, I'd say that it feels like they're using berating Nelle to deal with their own anxiety.

We've seen Nelle try to use Wylie for gain but it's also true that after she got the money from the ELQ shares from Valentin, she could have taken it and run on her own to live it up.. Instead, she wanted to take Wylie with her. That makes me conclude that she does have feelings for him.

The sympathetic writing for me was her speech that she's still suffering the affects of her surgery to remove her kidney. Of course she doesn't want her toddler to have to live with that.

If Carly does fake Nelle's signature to get the surgery done on her time, I hope Nelle sues her for everything. I'm actually okay with Monica being reported to the Board too, my motherly instinct is that upset.

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38 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Everyone is jumping to berate Nelle and condemn her. They're so caught up in their own hysteria that it doesn't occur to anyone that Nelle has been blindsided by this and even if she is a sociopath, she may still have some parental feelings for her son.  No one is trying to sit down with Nelle and talk her through the surgery, the risks and the benefits. Monica is the best, printing off a bunch of journal articles that Nelle won't be able to understand but it's still not good enough. If I didn't know better, I'd say that it feels like they're using berating Nelle to deal with their own anxiety.

We've seen Nelle try to use Wylie for gain but it's also true that after she got the money from the ELQ shares from Valentin, she could have taken it and run on her own to live it up.. Instead, she wanted to take Wylie with her. That makes me conclude that she does have feelings for him.

The sympathetic writing for me was her speech that she's still suffering the affects of her surgery to remove her kidney. Of course she doesn't want her toddler to have to live with that.

If Carly does fake Nelle's signature to get the surgery done on her time, I hope Nelle sues her for everything. I'm actually okay with Monica being reported to the Board too, my motherly instinct is that upset.

Of course everyone is jumping to berate her. They hate her and for good reason. Not one of those people need to give her the benefit of the doubt and not one of them - for good reason - believe she truly loves Wiley. And I think Monica offering to get Nelle a second opinion and getting her information was good enough. She didn't need to be nice to her but she did offer her information. I think the only one that had to be gentler with her - because for now he has to share co-parenting duties with her - was Michael, if for the only reason that it would be easier to get what he wanted if he was nicer to her, not because she deserved being treated kindly.  

While Michael et al. were strident about the surgery Nelle was just as strident the other way refusing to even consider it. She never talked about getting a second opinion just some crap about stuff she'd read on the internet. Just because Monica is a surgeon and is related to Michael doesn't mean she wants to cut into her toddler great-grandson for shits and giggles. Not one of them wants the surgery. They just believe it's his best option. 

Nelle has the risk angle covered. And they all explained how the surgery would benefit Wiley.

Her being desperate to get to Wiley and take off with him doesn't prove to me that she has any real feelings for him. Her being desperate to possess him to me is for the same reason she handed Michael a dead baby - because she wanted to punish him and the rest of his family. She doesn't want Michael to have him no matter what. It's not about some overwhelming love for her son. As she said to Carly on Friday, she doesn't want them to "win."

I'll admit because Nelle sucks, I don't find myself having any sympathy for her. I feel the same about Carly. I didn't have any sympathy when she thought Donna might have health problems and I don't any sympathy for her now with her concern over Wiley. They're both shitty human beings/characters, so I feel no reason to feel sympathy for them.

I get that Nelle had a traumatic experience because of what her father did and is, if she can even be believed, is still in pain but her using that as an excuse just goes to show IMO that she can't step outside of herself and think about what her son needs. This isn't about her. It's about what Wiley needs. Her past experience doesn't mean Wiley will be harmed with this surgery and it shouldn't be the main factor in decision-making over what they do with Wiley now.

Why would Monica need to be reported to the board? That's assuming she would know Carly forged Nelle's signature. 

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I just finished watching Thursday’s episode and I guess I should thank show because I actually forgot about us being in the middle of a national crisis for a while, given my rage blackouts and all.

Rage blackout #1:  Sam.  What a total pice of shit she has become.  Like, I am still so steamed up about her haughty attitude towards Delores and her talking down to Alexis that I can’t properly articulate it.  Also Delores is my new hero.  Don’t give that bitch any satisfaction D!

Rage blackout #2:  Michael, Sasha, etc.  They all run together.  Team Nelle over here.  100%.

Not happy about Alexis falling off the wagon.  Been there, done that.  She’s looking like hell these days.

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"Did Michael tell you about Wylie's favourite thing to do at the Quartermaines?" "Climb the stairs." "It was Michael's favourite thing to do  at his age."  OMG, has none of these people heard about baby gates? None of them is qualified to have the care of a child.

I wish Nelle had for once dialed it back to appear more reasonable. I HATE that everyone is being destroyed for this. I so want Carly to get what the repercussions of her actions. And now there more surgery. groan. Why is this dragging on for so long? This writing is so terrible. Even Chase has lost any idea to be objective.  When Carly said that they had only Nelle's word that she was locked on the roof, he should have said that Liz corroborates it. But he realizes that Nelle is right. And. No, One, Cares.

Fingers crossed that Jordan's phone call was to Taggart.

Sam's learning curve is not flat, it slopes downward.

1 hour ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

I don't know if it is the outside lighting or the lipstick itself, but that Porn Star Pink is NOT Sam's color.

And the shoes! Both Sam and Molly were boots with open toes and open heel side parts that were worn only by Eastern European waitresses in my childhood.

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At first I thought Mike was asleep, and I was super annoyed Sonny and Joss were yammering at him. Then I realized he was just in his own world.

They chose the ugliest parts of that park to film today.

58 minutes ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

I don't know if it is the outside lighting or the lipstick itself, but that Porn Star Pink is NOT Sam's color.

It really isn't. Matte isn't all that flattering, either.

3 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

"Did Michael tell you about Wylie's favourite thing to do at the Quartermaines?" "Climb the stairs." "It was Michael's favourite thing to do  at his age."

If we didn't know otherwise, this would be the ultimate proof that Wiley really is Michael's son.

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Did i miss something? Nelle had no cell phone to call for help?

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4 minutes ago, seasons said:

Did i miss something? Nelle had no cell phone to call for help?

Her phone had no power; when they were on the roof, Michael said he had a charger downstairs.

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All today did was make me even more 100% team Nelle.

Nelle was the one COMPLETELY wronged here. Carly locked her on the roof OVERNIGHT. Carly forged her signature. Bobbie destroyed a medical document which is against HIPAA violations. And then all of them ganged up against Nelle by lying by omission that she gave her consent to the surgery.

Which actually WASN'T needed because it didn't solve the problem. Had they waited like Nelle wanted and done more research they might have actually found that Wylie needed something more and he wouldn't need another surgery down the road. Oh, and anyone saying that Nelle is a sociopath... hah! Carly is the sociopath. She proved that with her reaction to what she she did to Nelle.

And when Nelle cried out that Carly attempted to murder her, Carly responded that, 'Well, you're here now!' as if that made it alright. So, does that mean that it's OK that Nelle attempted to murder MIchael now because, well, he's here now. Is it all good then, Carly? God, Carly is such hypocritical sociopath!

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I will give the Show credit that I liked Monica's comment about Wiley having two great grandmothers looking out for him, and her fist bump with Bobbie.  I enjoy being reminded that they are long-time friends bonded as family by Michael and now Wiley.

I assume the audience was supposed to get warm fuzzies by the "family scene in Mike's hospital room": Carly and Joss snuggle/embrace with Sonny watching them. It did nothing for me.  She did not grow up living with Sonny, and Mike has not been in Josslyn's life that long, maybe a year or two?

 

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9 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Her phone had no power; when they were on the roof, Michael said he had a charger downstairs.

Thanks!

how convenient and lame.

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Of course Sonny tries to manhandle Mike into the wheelchair. What part about Elizabeth's "It's important we let him try" don't you understand, you jerk?

Ava, why should Trina have to "fight" for Cam? She should tell him how she feels, and then Cam decides what he wants to do. Accept the decision and act accordingly, but no "fighting" Joss for some guy. Thanks for that retro attitude, Show.

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Is Chase still supposed to be the good cop because he didn’t come off like one today. 

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Lol the detective shows up with a manila folder. 

hope jordan has a pen he can borrow.

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Maybe it's because people sick in the hospital right now is hitting too close to the national  condition, or maybe it's just me, but the whole Corinthi clan was more despicable than  usual today. Carly's absolute smugness made me want to reach through the screen and throttle her. Bobbie, who was once gaslighted herself willingly does so to Nelle; Sasha and Willow's presence at the hospital should have been silent support only. I could list a whole lot more, but I'll only make myself mad again. But I sincerely hope that this second surgery results in Wiley's death. I don't care about the kid; Michael becomes more despicable every day; and this is a time when we need a slightly more positive story to distract us. 

One last rant: Jordan goes to Jason for advice and a pep talk? All I could think (again) was why in the hell didn't she hightail it over to Robert F! Scorpio at the first sign of trouble from Cyrus? Even though he's no longer an agent, I'm sure the WSB would have been very interested in making sure someone as apparently dangerous as Cyrus stayed in prison.

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9 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I will give the Show credit that I liked Monica's comment about Wiley having two great grandmothers looking out for him, and her fist bump with Bobbie.  I enjoy being reminded that they are long-time friends bonded as family by Michael and now Wiley.

I assume the audience was supposed to get warm fuzzies by the "family scene in Mike's hospital room": Carly and Joss snuggle/embrace with Sonny watching them. It did nothing for me.  She did not grow up living with Sonny, and Mike has not been in Josslyn's life that long, maybe a year or two?

 

True, they’ve had a couple references about Josslyn being really effected by this but it doesn’t seem authentic to me. It should really be Michael or Kristina getting those scenes 

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"Yet here you are, alive and well!" Uh, Carly, that's where the attempted comes in with attempted murder. 

13 minutes ago, rur said:

One last rant: Jordan goes to Jason for advice and a pep talk? All I could think (again) was why in the hell didn't she hightail it over to Robert F! Scorpio at the first sign of trouble from Cyrus? Even though he's no longer an agent, I'm sure the WSB would have been very interested in making sure someone as apparently dangerous as Cyrus stayed in prison.

As if the DA with extensive, international WSB experience would know better how to handle this than the local hit man.

Where was Jason that he was in front of that pink-striped wall?

Is Monica still chief of staff at GH? Condoning tampering with medical records is really, really gross. And way to favor your family in a way you never would someone else.

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6 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

As if the DA with extensive, international WSB experience would know better how to handle this than the local hit man.

And not just any local hit man... it's Jason Morgan. THE Jason Morgan.

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1 minute ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I will give the Show credit that I liked Monica's comment about Wiley having two great grandmothers looking out for him, and her fist bump with Bobbie.  I enjoy being reminded that they are long-time friends bonded as family by Michael and now Wiley.

That scene gave me a rage attack. I didn't expect much from Sonny apologist Bobbie but Monica knows damn well that Carly forged Nelle's signature and Bobbie destroyed it, as does Michael, and she applauds it.

No one cares to give Nelle half an hour to talk with her and address any real concerns she might have. No, it's better to lie and break her medical oaths. Does the show realize how much they're pushing me on to Team Nelle? I don't want to wish death on a character, even a fictional child, but it's past time for Wylie to be gone.

Mike gets a full body scan. I wonder how much money GH will spend to diagnose and treat a man who is in the late stages of Alzheimer's. It feels tasteless given the current medical shortages and the decisions doctors are making not to treat anyone over 60 because of resources.

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I didn't get to see the entire show today (teleconferences and preemptions), but I did read the live thread of the episode that was posted on another board, and what happened today highlights why I hate Michael - the pathetic man boy that he is - and why I hate all things Carly.

I know many may not care but what happened to Nelle is wrong, and the fact that we were supposed to be cheering on Bobbie and Carly is what makes me sick. The clear telegraphing of the story and bias in the writing is why I cannot stand them. I wasn't cheering them on. They all make me sick, and if Nelle wins temporary custody over this (we know it will be brief b/c Nelle is the slated loser since she's up against sainted Michael), I will be elated and will enjoy it while it lasts! 

I hate Michael. He is such an incredibly weak, pathetic character. He has to get his mommy and his grandma to do everything for him. Why they continue to write him as such a loser is beyond me. He can't wipe his butt w/o his mommy and now his grandma! I sincerely hope he loses custody to Nelle even if it's only for a brief time. This surgery wasn't even necessary - in the sense that it did not need to occur that day - so all the actions taken were to the extreme. I will never understand all the panic and will always consider it OTT when Monica never made it seem like that surgery needed to happen that day. And now  . . .  the kid needs yet another surgery. 

For me, when it comes to Nelle versus Carly/Michael. I will always be Team Nelle. I don't care that she left Michael to die. I don't care that she tried to kill Chase (or whatever she did b/c I wasn't watching at that time). I will root for her b/c of how biased the writing is. Nelle raised valid points last week, and I would have loved to see Michael actually consider them and actually talk to Nelle like a grown man. I didn't need loudmouth, SHEBEAST busting into the scene and saying her part. Carly is not needed in this story. Michael's posse of fools is not needed either. What's needed is to see Michael behaving like a grown man, and that's obviously never going to happen.

Like w/Brad, I'm over this already. Just kill off Nelle and be done w/it. We all know Michael is slated to win like w/every story a Corinthos is in, so let's just skip to that and start telling some new stories. I'm a viewer who couldn't possibly care less about Wiley. He could die for all I care. I'm definitely not invested enough him to care about what happens to him, so this endless fighting for Wiley is not something I'm going to watch, esp. when the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Michael will win. Oh . . . . how exciting 🙄

 

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1 minute ago, lala2 said:

 Just kill off Nelle and be done w/it. We all know Michael is slated to win like w/every story a Corinthos is in, so let's just skip to that and start telling some new stories.

I agree that Michael will ultimately win... but I don't want Nelle to die. That's why I'm really, really hoping that Nelle is going to be Nina's daughter--and really, really hoping that they are going to go with a twist story and make Willow and Nelle her twin daughters. That way, Nelle can be the "bad girl" and Willow the "good girl," so they can gradually move Nelle away from the villainess role and still keep her on the canvas.

This way it gives her ties to the canvas (both Nelle and Willow), and it allows them to tie into the history of GH so well. It re-tells in a lot of ways the Carly/Bobbie story -- especially if you add in Nelle/Valentine (which I really, really want) -- with a different spin. We have echoes of that storyline, but it has a fresh perspective. And tying into Carly's upcoming episode, possibly reminding viewers of Carly's history (I wonder if they'll just bite the bullet and use the Sarah Brown flashbacks?), it really does all tie in.

There is just so much rich history, gorgeous drama and awesome storytelling potential with Nelle, Nina, Carly, Bobbie, Michael, Sonny the history of AJ and everything... plus if you add in the potential of Nina possibly having twins and Willow is Nelle's sister, we could get the Elizabeth/Sarah or Elizabeth/Hayden sisters story that we never really got told... ooh, boy! I mean, it's just so very, very rich and creates an umbrella story that includes so much of the cast.

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34 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

Is Chase still supposed to be the good cop because he didn’t come off like one today. 

Chase hasn’t been a good cop since he decided to hook up with Michael and crew.

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12 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

That scene gave me a rage attack. I didn't expect much from Sonny apologist Bobbie but Monica knows damn well that Carly forged Nelle's signature and Bobbie destroyed it, as does Michael, and she applauds it.

Monica also knows damn well that Nelle brought a deceased infant into her hospital, and passed him off as her great grandson after she tried to kill/left her grandson for dead.  Since then she also waltzed into Monica's home bragging about owning shares of Monica's family's business, and just recently dissed Monica as a surgeon as if Monica is eager to have her colleagues cut open her toddler great grandson. After Liesl Obrecht, electric shock torturer of Quartermaine Family friend Dr. Robin Scorpio-Drake, was allowed to become chief of staff while Monica worked there, it really doesn't bother me that Monica figured out what happened with the paperwork and didn't care. 

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This the same hospital that under their watch allowed for Ryan to lose a kidney and  it be given to Jordan.

My understanding of what Monica said about Wylie is that the damage is worst that they thought and he will need an additional surgery in 6 months. That doesn't mean that today's surgery was unnecessary  just that it couldn't correct all the damage.

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4 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

After Liesl Obrecht, electric shock torturer of Quartermaine Family friend Dr. Robin Scorpio-Drake, was allowed to become chief of staff while Monica worked there, it really doesn't bother me that Monica figured out what happened with the paperwork and didn't care. 

The Quartermaines haven't given any shits about Robin since before she told AJ that the SLS was his spawn. And even though I know it won't happen because the writers who actually cared about history and right and wrong, haven't written for this FAKAKTA show in over two decades, I see doctors on par with the cops.  That is, if something affects them personally, they need to recuse themselves from the situation and let another doctor/cop handle the case. And Monica, as Chief of Staff, and one, who presumably is supposed to be one with ethics, should not have turned the other cheek, so to speak. And I say this as someone who doesn't care for Nelle. At all.

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3 minutes ago, nilyank said:

My understanding of what Monica said about Wylie is that the damage is worst that they thought and he will need an additional surgery in 6 months. That doesn't mean that today's surgery was unnecessary  just that it couldn't correct all the damage.

This was my understanding, too.

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3 minutes ago, nilyank said:

My understanding of what Monica said about Wylie is that the damage is worst that they thought and he will need an additional surgery in 6 months. That doesn't mean that today's surgery was unnecessary  just that it couldn't correct all the damage.

It would have been NICE if she'd said that last week, instead of saying he needs elective surgery, which would repair the hole in Wiley's chest. But she didn't.

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5 minutes ago, nilyank said:

That doesn't mean that today's surgery was unnecessary  just that it couldn't correct all the damage.

But it also doesn't mean that it needed to be done right. this. instant.

Just because Nelle and Obrecht have done bad things and because the Corinthos mob family has no morals, doesn't mean that Monica and Chase should be stooping to that level.

Someone on this show needs to be a good guy.

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4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Someone on this show needs to be a good guy.

You can't have anyone be a good guy because then it's even more obvious how disgusting the "bad" guys are (Sonny, Jason, Spinelli, Franco.....)  That's why they had to tarnish good guy Dante with an affair with his wife's cousin, Nathan with shooting his wife's lover, Chase being friends and looking the other way most of the time with Michael, Jax buying a kidney on the black market, Robert Fuckin' Scorpio speaking, much less working with JaSam.....

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Kudos to William Lipton today.  When Cam started talking to Franco about Trina, his whole lit up.  Like it was obvious what Cam's feelings are.  

Also kudos to Max Gail (and the make up department) because he really looked out of it.  I did wonder why Liz didn't have an orderly/porter helping her get Mike into the wheelchair.  No way does tiny Liz manage to get a big man like that into that chair by herself.  

Am I the only one who thought Joss sounded like a complete moron trying to play solitaire with Mike who was clearly out of it.  "I can never figure out which card to play where".  It's solitaire for crying out loud.  

Michael's group versus Nelle.  I don't evenknow what the show wants me to take away from that.  It's interesting since it's basically the same thing that happened with Jordan/Ryan and yet I was fine with everyone working around the edges to get Ryan's kidney for Jordan.  But this time, I'm disgusted with all parties and I'm siding with Nelle.  Guess that makes me a hypocrite!!

I am totally calling it that Jordan called Taggert and that he's alive and in hiding.  Her exact words to whoever were: "I'm not sure I can go through with it. YOu need to tell me that it's ok"   That can only be Taggert.  

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6 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Jax buying a kidney on the black market

RETCON!

6 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Robert Fuckin' Scorpio speaking, much less working with JaSam.....

I don't mind him speaking with them, because he told them where to go. He didn't automatically bend over and kiss their miserable arses. And telling them to find proof against Heinrik isn't something I would consider working with them.

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31 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

But it also doesn't mean that it needed to be done right. this. instant.

Just because Nelle and Obrecht have done bad things and because the Corinthos mob family has no morals, doesn't mean that Monica and Chase should be stooping to that level.

Thank you! That is my main point. Monica made it clear earlier that day that the surgery was elective. Elective means it is not an emergency. Maybe Monica should have said it was a "semi-elective" surgery. I don't know.

When I say it was not necessary - I simply mean it did not need to be completed that day. That's all.  The surgery could have taken place a few days later or probably even a month later. Wiley was not in distress and was breathing fine. He was not in an emergency situation; however, everyone was behaving as if he was. That was silly to me.  Either put him in distress or don't. It does not work both ways. What Carly did was disgusting, and I hope there is some consequence for it even if that consequence is short-lived. 

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31 minutes ago, lala2 said:

Maybe Monica should have said it was a "semi-elective" surgery.

"Necessary but not urgent"? It's ridiculous everyone was acting as if Wiley would die within the hour if the surgery wasn't done. Monica had clearly said earlier it wasn't an emergency. So forcing Nelle to decide on the spot was dumb writing, and certainly didn't make me want to root against Nelle there.

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Just because Nelle and Obrecht have done bad things and because the Corinthos mob family has no morals, doesn't mean that Monica and Chase should be stooping to that level.

THIS!  Everything about this is just so disgusting.  Carly can forge Nelle's signature and there will be absolutely no repercussions, even though everyone, including the police, know about it.  They all deserve every shitty thing that might happen to them.

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6 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

Michael's group versus Nelle.  I don't evenknow what the show wants me to take away from that.  It's interesting since it's basically the same thing that happened with Jordan/Ryan and yet I was fine with everyone working around the edges to get Ryan's kidney for Jordan.  But this time, I'm disgusted with all parties and I'm siding with Nelle.  Guess that makes me a hypocrite!!

This is part of the problem. I am in the minority, didn't like that it had no repercussions, and it is why we are here now. It reminded me of China harvesting organs from political prisoners. I wouldn't mind if Ryan teamed up with Cyrus and at the end of all of this Jordan at very least gets discredited and loses her job. 

7 hours ago, lala2 said:

I didn't get to see the entire show today (teleconferences and preemptions), but I did read the live thread of the episode that was posted on another board, and what happened today highlights why I hate Michael - the pathetic man boy that he is - and why I hate all things Carly.

I know many may not care but what happened to Nelle is wrong, and the fact that we were supposed to be cheering on Bobbie and Carly is what makes me sick. The clear telegraphing of the story and bias in the writing is why I cannot stand them. I wasn't cheering them on. They all make me sick, and if Nelle wins temporary custody over this (we know it will be brief b/c Nelle is the slated loser since she's up against sainted Michael), I will be elated and will enjoy it while it lasts! 

I hate Michael. He is such an incredibly weak, pathetic character. He has to get his mommy and his grandma to do everything for him. Why they continue to write him as such a loser is beyond me. He can't wipe his butt w/o his mommy and now his grandma! I sincerely hope he loses custody to Nelle even if it's only for a brief time. This surgery wasn't even necessary - in the sense that it did not need to occur that day - so all the actions taken were to the extreme. I will never understand all the panic and will always consider it OTT when Monica never made it seem like that surgery needed to happen that day. And now  . . .  the kid needs yet another surgery. 

For me, when it comes to Nelle versus Carly/Michael. I will always be Team Nelle. I don't care that she left Michael to die. I don't care that she tried to kill Chase (or whatever she did b/c I wasn't watching at that time). I will root for her b/c of how biased the writing is. Nelle raised valid points last week, and I would have loved to see Michael actually consider them and actually talk to Nelle like a grown man. I didn't need loudmouth, SHEBEAST busting into the scene and saying her part. Carly is not needed in this story. Michael's posse of fools is not needed either. What's needed is to see Michael behaving like a grown man, and that's obviously never going to happen.

As @dubbel zout said, the surgery didn't need to be done right then and there. Despite Nelle's hysterics, getting the court injunction might have been a better move and would give Wiley's doctors time to plan the surgery and maybe find less invasive methods. 

The "good guys" constantly pull shit like this: they screw over the designated loser and act the chaste victim when the"loser" retaliates hard.  Now it has gone beyond Sonny and his shitty behavior. It does suck that Michael more than likely will come out the winner. I would saw he is beige, but beige is actually useful. 

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I thought it was wrong when they stole Ryan's kidney and he is a deranged serial killer. It was also as wrong that they did the runaround so Wylie could have the surgery.

Michael should have gotten the court order for the surgery. Because the next surgery is going to harder to get done without Nelle's okay. And right now, she is pissed and as per own words, she is going to let Carly win and have the last word on the matter.

Now I don't feel bad that Nelle was stuck on the roof and that where having no friends or people that care about her, bites Nelle in the ass.

 

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7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

 

The Quartermaines haven't given any shits about Robin since before she told AJ that the SLS was his spawn. 

That's not true IMO, for example when Tracy gave Edward the news that Robin had "died." Edward was definitely sad/upset. Monica and Robin have history as respectful/friendly doctors working together as well as the bond that they both care about Jason, like in December 2011 when Monica seemed grateful that Robin was trying to look out for Jason's health. She even said something about how Robin (and Sam) both had more influence over Jason than she did. 

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Isn't this the second time within a year where the "heroes" of the show forged a signature so someone can undergo surgery? WTF? 

I realize TPTB had no clue the world would turn into the mess it is right now, but with everything going on I want to watch heroes who are actually good people do stuff that are actually heroic.

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I also thought (hoped) Jordan called Taggert. 

I am totally team Nelle. Someone needs to knock Carly down about a million pegs. 

Enjoyed Cam and Franco's talk. But of course, now Trina is going to take Ava's advice and quash his litt bud of romance. Hopefully they still end up together versus Cam/Joss. 

 

 

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Loved what Carly did today and what happened with Nelle 

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I'm siding with Nelle for the underdog factor. It was just a bad visual, with these smug assholes all lined up saying "Whatever do you mean? You signed the consent!"

And it's not the way I would have gone with it. It would have been a better scene if Carly had deceived the others, and they really thought she had been able to reach Nelle and get her signature, then they were wondering where Nelle was while the surgery was going on. When Nelle showed up with her accusations, Michael could have been shown acting as if obligated to take Carly's side in public, while realizing Nelle was telling the truth and that what Carly did wasn't okay. 

Also, the night on the roof should have been worse for Nelle. Maybe a mild case of hypothermia. She was shivering under an improvised blanket when Liz found her (have those two ever shared a scene?), and upstate New York nights at this time of year typically have temperatures in the 30s.  

Somehow, the whole lot of them being in on the scheme, being led around by one of the most insufferable characters in daytime history, makes it worse. 

11 hours ago, lala2 said:

I don't care that she tried to kill Chase (or whatever she did b/c I wasn't watching at that time).

Not Chase. She killed her rich young Florida fiancé, Zachary, by sabotaging his kayak, and Chase was the detective on the case. She started having an affair with him to influence his investigation. The revelation of that affair ruined his police career in Florida.

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The most shocking thing on today's show was not the insufferable attitude of everyone involved in the unauthorized Wylie surgery, it was Joss calling Elizabeth ' Elizabeth!'

That's Mrs Webber ( or Baldwin) to you young lady. 

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16 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

I am totally calling it that Jordan called Taggert and that he's alive and in hiding.  Her exact words to whoever were: "I'm not sure I can go through with it. YOu need to tell me that it's ok"   That can only be Taggert. 

Yep, you nailed it. They didn't bring him back after all this time only to kill him two weeks later.

Funniest line I've read on this board in a very long time: "[Nell] looks like she smells of stale urine and cigarettes." Hilarious and gross at the same time.  The character does give the impression that any room she's in reeks of cheap perfume for at least 10 minutes after she leaves, lol.

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"The bitch of it is that you probably did the right thing. But you did it in the wrong way. In the inconvenient way. Now you have to pay the penalty for that. I know it stinks, but that's the way it is." 
    -- President Susanna Luchenko, Babylon 5:"Rising Star"

"Says you. I'm the fucking heroine of this show. The only ones who had to pay a penalty were my ex for saving our daughter with a kidney on the black market, and a teenager who had to go through probation for being forced to buy marijuana for a dying friend. Did I mention that Ava killed Connie Falconeri?"

-- Carly Corinthos, General Hospital, "TFGH"

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23 hours ago, driver18 said:

I agree that Michael will ultimately win... but I don't want Nelle to die. That's why I'm really, really hoping that Nelle is going to be Nina's daughter--and really, really hoping that they are going to go with a twist story and make Willow and Nelle her twin daughters. That way, Nelle can be the "bad girl" and Willow the "good girl," so they can gradually move Nelle away from the villainess role and still keep her on the canvas.

I hear you, and if Chloe is staying w/the show for awhile, then I agree that making her Nina's daughter would be far more interesting and impactful than the Willow reveal at this point.  Unfortunately, all the tension btw Willow and Nina is gone. They waited too late to do, and there is no storyline potential there. It would be more interesting if Nelle were revealed to be the daughter, or as you said, if she and Willow were revealed to be twins. If Chloe/Nelle is sticking around, she will need an actual ally/friend so having Nina in her corner could be good. 

That said, if Chloe is not staying w/the show, then I want them to go ahead and wrap this up. I'm not interested in AJ Part 2 where one parent is villainized for existing (Nelle/AJ) and the other is canonized (Michael/Carly). 

For me, Nelle will just never be this completely evil person who needs to die. She's called a sociopath and a psycho, and I don't know . . . . she's just never been that bad to me. Her "revenge" on Carly was lame and was certainly nothing to be write home about. Admittedly, I stopped watching at some point, but the only other "evil" thing she did was kill her fiance, and that story was clearly changed when Chloe announced she was leaving. I'm not saying murder is okay, but on a show filled w/murderers, I honestly don't understand why I'm supposed to find Nelle so offensive. And the baby switch? Was that bad? Sure, but it's not irredeemable territory . . . for me at least. My all-time favorite character - Todd Manning as played by Roger Howarth only - handed his wife a can of dirt and told her it was her baby simply b/c he thought she was having another man's baby. He put their actual baby in a orphanage and had to go find the kid. I guess my threshold is pretty high, and Nelle has never crossed the line to me. I was, and am, still more offended by Valentin, but he runs the streets and is never accused of not loving his child.

Anyway, my point is the show tends to paint her as evil against a group of self-righteous, obnoxious, judgemental jerks, and I'm just not here for that. If Nelle is always going to lose to Michael (which she will), then I would rather they kill Wiley to end the whole Nelle/Michael thing finally or kill Nelle. 

11 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

I'm siding with Nelle for the underdog factor. It was just a bad visual, with these smug assholes all lined up saying "Whatever do you mean? You signed the consent!"

And it's not the way I would have gone with it. It would have been a better scene if Carly had deceived the others, and they really thought she had been able to reach Nelle and get her signature, then they were wondering where Nelle was while the surgery was going on. When Nelle showed up with her accusations, Michael could have been shown acting as if obligated to take Carly's side in public, while realizing Nelle was telling the truth and that what Carly did wasn't okay. 

Also, the night on the roof should have been worse for Nelle. Maybe a mild case of hypothermia. She was shivering under an improvised blanket when Liz found her (have those two ever shared a scene?), and upstate New York nights at this time of year typically have temperatures in the 30s.  

Somehow, the whole lot of them being in on the scheme, being led around by one of the most insufferable characters in daytime history, makes it worse. 

Not Chase. She killed her rich young Florida fiancé, Zachary, by sabotaging his kayak, and Chase was the detective on the case. She started having an affair with him to influence his investigation. The revelation of that affair ruined his police career in Florida.

I agree w/all of this! It's like this show is allergic to drama. I think having Liz race down w/a blue-faced Nelle would have been much more interesting. Maybe show Carly actually caring that Nelle might be dying. Have Carly see that security is checking the cameras in the hallway to see what happened. Let Carly be on shown on camera locking the door. Have her arrested. Have Monica say Wiley has undergone a complication w/the surgery. Michael could have a breakdown. That would be interesting. That would be dramatic. I would tune in for that, but having those smug a$$holes just standing around there grinning about their antics was not entertaining for this fan.

Honestly, only those who hate Nelle could enjoy those scenes, and I will never hate Nelle when she is put against any of those characters. The writing is too stacked in their favor.

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