S39.E09: Two for the Price of One

[Lantern7]

1 minute ago, mythoughtis said:

 I am not a fan of Karishma because she  doesn’t pull her weight around camp . . .

Between the drama of Tribal Council, the storm, and a rat running on her face, I'd give her wiggle room. I'll cop to rooting for her, but I feel I got a point.

[LanceM]

10 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Whatever happened to "The person voted out will be asked to leave the tribal council area immediately?

Why was Missy allowed to linger, interrogate the people still in the game, tell Elizabeth to target Elaine, etc?  

That is one of those rules that has never been enforced. We see people all the time when get voted out give hugs to their allies. Nothing really new here.  Except maybe telling your ally they should kill a fellow contestant slowly and methodically. lol

EDIT: they have done recaps all season so really nothing different tonight

Edited November 21, 2019 by LanceM

[Pepper the Cat]

Very happy to see both Aaron and Missy go. I did not 

like either of them. 

Edited November 21, 2019 by Pepper the Cat

[Bryce Lynch]

Missy is truly disgusting.  A bully, a liar who manipulates and gaslights using sexual harassment and a racist.  

No mention was made of your race, because decent human beings don't care about your race.

If she thinks "representation matters", maybe she shouldn't have behaved like a scumbag and lousy Survivor player, who thinks she is great.  Fortunately, she represents only herself and is no reflection on the millions of people who happen to share her skin color.

I am starting to wonder if her brain tumor story is true or if she left the USAF under some other circumstances.  Whatever the case, it is good that a person so bereft of moral character is not a USAF graduate or Air Force officer.  

Edited November 21, 2019 by Bryce Lynch

[Straycat80]

I honestly didn’t care who got voted off tonight. All I care about is that Janet got to play another week. 

[Bryce Lynch]

1 hour ago, Mr. Miner said:

I thought it was really dope when Missy got voted off. 🙄

Yes, it was a decently dope tribal council.

[Al Herkimer]

I like Aaron but he was an obvious pick, big threat for an extended immunity run.  Missy was last week's villain, for coming up with the faux scandal and recruiting Elizabeth into it, but I personally wanted Janet gone first. I know some people were disappointed that Dan didn't go on a witch hunt to clear the air - and his name - but that wouldn't have helped his game.  Accepting (or pretending to accept) Janet's apology and moving on was probably the smart move.

[Bryce Lynch]

19 minutes ago, LanceM said:

That is one of those rules that has never been enforced. We see people all the time when get voted out give hugs to their allies. Nothing really new here.  Except maybe telling your ally they should kill a fellow contestant slowly and methodically. lol

EDIT: they have done recaps all season so really nothing different tonight

I have never seen anyone linger that long and have substantive conversations with other players.  Maybe a comment and a quick hug or 2 on the way out, but that's it.

[ketchuplover]

1 hour ago, mojoween said:

Goddamn.  An Asian-American followed by three African-Americans back to back to back.  Jesus Christ.

What was that about inclusion and representation now?
Also, Missy is not a bully.  Shut it, Karishma.

Aaron is black?

[princelina]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

Elaine redeemed herself tonight.  I guess she’s better than I thought. 

I like Elaine, but if she doesn't pull those shorts up over the bottom of her belly fat soon, I'm going to stop rooting for her.  Reminds me of that pants under the ass look that guys used to sport.  Ugh.

1 hour ago, nlkm9 said:

I really cannot believe people are bringing up race in the last few boots. Missy was very very nasty and it doesn’t matter what color she is she deserved the vote. Same with Aaron. Race/ ethnicity was not a factor in there votes and rather than trying to link the last 3 boots with color , why not celebrate that there is such huge diversity in the cast. 

Yes!  Thank you.

57 minutes ago, ProfCrash said:

The only thing that wasn’t predictable was Karishma finding an idol. She is a goat who knows she is a goat and thinks that finding an idol makes her less of a goat.

She went from understanding she was a goat to believing she was the second coming of Rob and Sandra combined based on the fact that she found that idol (that she had to be sent out to find!) 😄 

[LanceM]

7 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

I have never seen anyone linger that long and have substantive conversations with other players.  Maybe a comment and a quick hug or 2 on the way out, but that's it.

yeah she might have lingered longer the usual but still though they have never enforced that rule (not that really care about rules anyway). 

[TaraS1]

Missy is one cold customer, there’s just something so off-putting about her to me. Of course after last week, she was dead to me no matter what happened this week, so perhaps my judgment is clouded. Anyway, thrilled to see her ass gone.  Hopefully Dan and Elizabeth are soon to follow. 
 

Oh and the irony of Missy calling Jeff out for not addressing something at the last tribal. Yeah, there were plenty of things he should have mentioned last time, Missy - namely the bullshit you and Elizabeth were running on Janet. 

Edited November 21, 2019 by TaraS1

[TVFan1]

Two very satisfying boots. I wanted Missy and Aaron gone when they turned on Chelsea and  got her voted out. I loved seeing them get their torch snuffed. 

[LadyChatts]

I appreciate Elizabeth giving my first eyes-bugging-out-of-the-head moment at TC tonight.  I loved the look on Missy’s face, too, when she saw Aaron seeing there.  

I liked Jeff kind of calling Missy out when she said the jury wasn’t supposed to be looking like that.  Not sure Kellee appreciated the comment, either.  

Unlike last week, I’ve watched this TC numerous times.  Gets better each time!

[PaperTree]

Feely Dan is still in the game, but two of his biggest allies went to jury tonight.

It's becoming a goat rodeo.

[blackwing]

Two very satisfying boots tonight.  Aaron was absolutely the right call, maybe he shouldn’t have pointed out that he won the immunity challenges the previous times.  So funny that he was crowing about two for the price of one and he ends up being one of the two.  
 

Missy can suck it.   She was way too bossy and aggressive.  She actively hatched a plan to get out Tommy, she and her BFF vote for Tommy, and then she is shocked that the tables were turned on her.  She did exit with class though, I’ll give her that.

[Cotypubby]

2 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

No recap from last week. I'm a bit surprised, because I feel the episodes pushed Survivor into the mainstream once again, and Probst and Co. would feel there's no stuff thing as bad attention.

I don’t think they have done any recaps at all this season. They just start the show now, no title sequence or recap. 

I wanted Missy out because of last week and then when she started on all the race bullshit that just capped it off. So glad she is gone! Too bad Karishma now seems very likely to goat herself into the finale. Everything about her is just so sad sack pathetic.

[blackwing]

Oh and to whoever said in last week‘s episode thread that Dan looks like Harvey Weinstein... I curse you.  Because that’s all I see now.  Ugh.

Edited November 21, 2019 by blackwing

[LadyChatts]

6 minutes ago, blackwing said:

Two very satisfying boots tonight.  Aaron was absolutely the right call, maybe he shouldn’t have pointed out that he won the immunity challenges the previous times.  So funny that he was crowing about two for the price of one and he ends up being one of the two.  
 

Missy can suck it.   She was way too bossy and aggressive.  She actively hatched a plan to get out Tommy, she and her BFF vote for Tommy, and then she is shocked that the tables were turned on her.  She did exit with class though, I’ll give her that.

And his alliance mate was two of two.  I would have been fine with Elizabeth going, too, but Missy probably would have been even more unbearable next week if she had been blindsided. 

I don't know if telling Elizabeth to kill Elaine is exiting with class, but she did at least smile and say good bye to everyone.  Unlike Aaron, who was on the jury stewing in his own juices.  It does make me wonder if Elaine inadvertently put a target on her back tonight.  No one's been paying much attention to her, and her playing up being a naive gullible country girl has been working.  If people find out she turned on Missy, they may consider her more of a threat.  But I'm glad she recognized she was on the bottom of the alliance she was in, and decided to make a move.  I am curious how Tommy/Lauren got in so tight with Missy/Aaron/Elaine/Elizabeth in the first place, but clearly Missy/Aaron/Elizabeth were their own trio.  Everyone else was a number. 

[eskimo]

The scene around the well was the best.  The episode title should have been "You feel better after one drink of water?"

[princelina]

17 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

I don't know if telling Elizabeth to kill Elaine is exiting with class, but she did at least smile and say good bye to everyone.  Unlike Aaron, who was on the jury stewing in his own juices.  It does make me wonder if Elaine inadvertently put a target on her back tonight.  No one's been paying much attention to her, and her playing up being a naive gullible country girl has been working.  If people find out she turned on Missy, they may consider her more of a threat.  But I'm glad she recognized she was on the bottom of the alliance she was in, and decided to make a move.  I am curious how Tommy/Lauren got in so tight with Missy/Aaron/Elaine/Elizabeth in the first place, but clearly Missy/Aaron/Elizabeth were their own trio.  Everyone else was a number. 

Didn't Elaine out herself when she said goodbye to Missy?  I thought that was her way of trying to say "Hey we're friends but it's a game" and keep herself on Missy's good side for a jury vote.

[tvgoddess]

2 hours ago, princelina said:

She went from understanding she was a goat to believing she was the second coming of Rob and Sandra combined based on the fact that she found that idol (that she had to be sent out to find!) 😄 

I know that Aaron and Missy deserved to be voted out, and Dan absolutely shouldn't still be out there, but I simply cannot stand Karishma's whiny, complaining, do-nothing ass. If I'm siding with Noura, there's something wrong with you. And her entitled attitude once she magically found the idol (because of course she did) was nauseating.

I guess I'm rooting for Janet or Elaine to win it all. I really don't want anyone to win though. Can't we just vote out everyone? Most unlikeable group ever.

[BK1978]

3 hours ago, ProfCrash said:

I took at as two high level athletes talking about the competition. I didn’t take too much from it.

Boring episode. No Island of the Idols. A boring challenge. Predictable boots. The only thing that wasn’t predictable was Karishma finding an idol. She is a goat who knows she is a goat and thinks that finding an idol makes her less of a goat.

Has there ever been someone who has actively admitted that they were a GOAT before?  She admitted it and I had to laugh because I never saw someone just admit it like that.

3 hours ago, Haleth said:

Me too. When Missy mentioned two African Americans with immunity last week I was confused, thinking she couldn’t mean Jamal. 

I thought Aaron might have been of Italian ancestry, but either he or someone else said he was black a few weeks ago. 

[GaT]

Soooo glad that Aaron & Missy are the ones gone, it's a shame they couldn't take Dan & Elizabeth with them. 

3 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Whatever happened to "The person voted out will be asked to leave the tribal council area immediately?

Why was Missy allowed to linger, interrogate the people still in the game, tell Elizabeth to target Elaine, etc?  

Good questions, I would like to know the answer also. Missy just kept thinking she could run the game.

[lilabennet]

I don't blame Janet for trying to make up with Dan.  She was so thoroughly gaslighted by Missy and Elizabeth that she probably isn't sure at this point what the truth is about Dan's behavior.

I don't think Missy is a bully.  She is pushy and bossy, but not a bully.  She just wields her intelligence and self-confidence like weapons and weaker minds can't handle that.  Karishma probably thinks people are yelling at her all the time when they really aren't.

[grandmabegum]

I was concerned with how Missy kept grabbing Karishma's arm when she was trying to leave the conversation. With all the talk about inappropriate touching I think that's on the list. If she wants to walk away you need to let her walk away.

[Kaiju Ballet]

A rat in the mouth....nope, nope, nope.

Aaron and Missy out....dope, dope, dope.

[dstann]

4 hours ago, TaraS1 said:

Oh and the irony of Missy calling Jeff out for not addressing something at the last tribal. Yeah, there were plenty of things he should have mentioned last time, Missy - namely the bullshit you and Elizabeth were running on Janet. 

Since Missy wanted recognition that 2 minorities won immunity last week, is it ok to point out that the same 2 minorities both got blindsided this week?  I mean just for balance to show representation that minorities can be on the top and bottom.

[Bryce Lynch]

5 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

I really cannot believe people are bringing up race in the last few boots. Missy was very very nasty and it doesn’t matter what color she is she deserved the vote. Same with Aaron. Race/ ethnicity was not a factor in there votes and rather than trying to link the last 3 boots with color , why not celebrate that there is such huge diversity in the cast. 

Missy playing the race card was abominable.   She really has a sense of privilege.  She seems to believe that people of color shouldn't be held to the same standards as everyone else.

Her lecture to Probst and his response perfectly illustrated the folly of so called "microaggressions". 

There are actually lists of "microaggressions" being circulated on college campuses that include both "Acknowledging a person's race" and "NOT acknowledging a person's race."

Probst summed it up well by essentially saying you're damned if you do and damned if you don't, but he never gave it much thought because he didn't find black people winning immunity to be unusual and just saw Missy and Aaron as people.

Personally, I think it would be more racist to make a big deal out of 2 black players winning immunity because it would imply that this was somehow unexpected.

BTW, Missy it is unusual for any two people of any race or gender to win immunity at the sams time, because it immunity is rarely given to two players, period.

[Bryce Lynch]

1 hour ago, lilabennet said:

I don't blame Janet for trying to make up with Dan.  She was so thoroughly gaslighted by Missy and Elizabeth that she probably isn't sure at this point what the truth is about Dan's behavior.

I don't think Missy is a bully.  She is pushy and bossy, but not a bully.  She just wields her intelligence and self-confidence like weapons and weaker minds can't handle that.  Karishma probably thinks people are yelling at her all the time when they really aren't.

Missy was rather gratuitously mean to Karishma at an early TC, when she basically told her not to be comfortable because she could be next.  It was bad for her own game, but she put the chance to belittle someone "weaker" than her ahead of good game play.

Her gaslighting of Janet over the Dan situation was also a form of bullying.

I'd say she is more of a narcissist than a bully.   On a recent episode of 90 Day Fiance, a foreign fiancee told his self-centered, controlling, American bride to be that it was like it was her story and he was just a character in it.  

I think that sums up Missy pretty well.  She is the center of the universe and other people only exist as characters in her story.  People are things for Missy to use for her purposes.

She was shocked and offended that Karishma had the audacity to not follow her orders blindly.   

[Sarnia]

So what happened to Jeff's "I will always bring it up" to Dan last week?

[Bryce Lynch]

More on Missy's crap.

a) Does she really think Jeff should have brought up the 2 black players having immunity in the middle of the sexual harassment outrage?

b) Missy helped orchestrate the voting out of not one, but 2, people of color (including a female) on that very episode.  

[amazingracefan]

What happened to the rule about leaving tribal immediately?  Now it seems to be you can say your goodbyes to everyone.

edit: I see Bryce Lynch brought this up six hours ago when I was asleep.  A point worth reinforcing though.

Edited November 21, 2019 by amazingracefan

[30 Helens]

It’s so great that Karishma found that idol! Because now she can finally start to play! I have no idea why anyone else has bothered to build alliances or make moves without an idol in their bra.  Clearly, they lack her strategic smarts. (And patience.)

I just noticed tonight that Karishma is a personal injury lawyer. This is amusing to me, since I see commercials for personal injury lawyers all the time. They’re always very loud and aggressive, promising to hammer the driver that hurt you, or sic their bengal tiger on some nasty insurance company.  I picture Karishma siccing her pet hamster, right before she runs away to look for a magical pencil to help her write a winning brief.

I was surprised and disheartened that nobody even brought up the possibility of booting Dan, given that he was the root of all the strife last week. Seems like that would have been discussed, at least. Ah, well. At least Janet was spared.

And poor Elizabeth lost “one of” her Number Ones. Then another one. Now all she has left Is a bunch of stupid Twos and Threes.

[30 Helens]

6 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

When nobody goes to the IOTI, what do Rob and Sandra do? Do they have to live like the contestants?

Oh, the possibilities:

-They work on perfecting the amazing shelter they built with their Own Hands. Like maybe adding a wet bar, a sauna, or a guest room for when Jeff comes to visit.

-Sculpt tiny heads of all the contestants and mount them on pikes

-Write and rehearse their impromptu witticisms for the next tribal council

-Sew their own clothing out of palm fronds and jute

-Present classes in survival skills to the local indigenous people. Because they believe in Giving Back, and it wouldn’t be fair to keep all that knowledge to themselves.

-Braid each other’s hair. Because at the end of the day, they still just want to look pretty.

[violet and green]

6 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Between the drama of Tribal Council, the storm, and a rat running on her face, I'd give her wiggle room. I'll cop to rooting for her, but I feel I got a point.

Yeah, I'm rooting for Karishma hard now. Hard! When she didn't play her idol, I was so excited I shouted, "Oh, good girl!" at the TV and waved my arms around like a lunatic. I also really enjoyed her saying they all thought she was a goat but she was an unpredictable goat, and goats are supposed to be predictable, and her feeling sick act by the well.

That means Janet, Elaine, or Karishma now have to win this thing...

Very excited Aaron is finally gone. He got on my goat (heh) in ep one.

[Bryce Lynch]

6 hours ago, ketchuplover said:

Aaron is black?

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/45b634ad-4069-4da3-95af-903c8963f1ab

[DEL901]

7 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Because Missy a)decided the rules didn’t apply to her and  b)stayed far enough away from Jeff that he couldn’t take her arm and yank her out of the council area? 
 

 I am not a fan of Karishma because she  doesn’t pull her weight around camp, but she was absolutely correct in this episode. Missy was talking at her with the Tommy plan, not to her.  It was obvious she was treating Karishma as if she was less important than herself.  

Love the fact that Karishma  only found the idol because they shamed her and forced her to get off her butt and look for coconuts. 

[JudyObscure]

2 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

I'd say she is more of a narcissist than a bully. 

Yes, I think that suits her better than"bully."  The bullying is just sort of a an accidental byproduct of Missy thrashing her way through life as she gets her own way about everything. 

I've always been such a vocal supporter of sports for girls  and now Missy and Elisabeth have burst my bubble and shown me there can be a downside to that.  Just as with the boys (I should have looked at the stereotypical, obnoxious jock) those girls who are gifted at sports just might become so spoiled by the popularity that goes with being the school's star athlete that they never have to develop people skills like tact, honesty and respect for others. 

Missy accidentally reminded us that not only has she always been showered with praise for being the best player in the game she's also used to getting a second trophy for being the best African American in the game.

Edited November 21, 2019 by JudyObscure

[Nashville]

So - Boi got booted, and Missy swung and missed.  I can live with that.

5 hours ago, Hanahope said:

Aaron...if you wanted to lay low and not be a threat, don’t win the first 2 individual immunity.

Swear to god - when BoI’s very first words at TC are how this is the very first TC at which he’s NOT wearing the immunity necklace, I looked at my old lady and said, “I’ll take ‘How To Paint A Huge Target On My Own Stupid Ass’ for $400, Alex.”

5 hours ago, Hanahope said:

Rob reads tribal very well.

Better than Sandra - in this case, anyway.

5 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Whatever happened to "The person voted out will be asked to leave the tribal council area immediately?

Why was Missy allowed to linger, interrogate the people still in the game, tell Elizabeth to target Elaine, etc?  

Because Missy is “special”, and the rules don’t apply to her.  News flash though, Missy; at the moment the only thing your ally Elizabeth might have it in her power to kill is a pint of Grey Goose, and the only thing dying is your game.  FOAD Missy, and good riddance.

[Nashville]

2 hours ago, Sarnia said:

So what happened to Jeff's "I will always bring it up" to Dan last week?

Dunno - he didn’t bring it up.  😁

[Haleth]

2 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

b) Missy helped orchestrate the voting out of not one, but 2, people of color (including a female) on that very episode.  

Good point.

Have you ever seen anyone do a 180 as fast as Karishma?  Going from Eeyore to Queen of Survivor (sorry, Sandra) in an instant when she found the idol?  I have no doubt she will make it to the end as the goatiest of the goats.

After a fairly pleasant start weeks ago this has turned out to be a horrible cast and will be remembered only because of Dan's inappropriate touching and the women using that as a game strategy.  Despicable.

[himela]

I have predicted for a long time that Tommy is getting the winner's edit. Now I start to see that Lauren and Karishma will be in the final three with him. No Sandra, a woman won't win this season.

[ProfCrash]

12 minutes ago, Haleth said:

Good point.

Have you ever seen anyone do a 180 as fast as Karishma?  Going from Eeyore to Queen of Survivor (sorry, Sandra) in an instant when she found the idol?  I have no doubt she will make it to the end as the goatiest of the goats.

After a fairly pleasant start weeks ago this has turned out to be a horrible cast and will be remembered only because of Dan's inappropriate touching and the women using that as a game strategy.  Despicable.

Good description. It was like having the idol made Karishma think she could play the game. And yet, if Karishma had been playing the game the entire time she might not have felt that she needed the idol to be empowered.

[Bryce Lynch]

2 hours ago, violet and green said:

Yeah, I'm rooting for Karishma hard now. Hard! When she didn't play her idol, I was so excited I shouted, "Oh, good girl!" at the TV and waved my arms around like a lunatic. I also really enjoyed her saying they all thought she was a goat but she was an unpredictable goat, and goats are supposed to be predictable, and her feeling sick act by the well.

That means Janet, Elaine, or Karishma now have to win this thing...

Very excited Aaron is finally gone. He got on my goat (heh) in ep one.

On rewatching, I loved Karishma in this episode.  The way she finally stood up to Missy the Dictator (Missy actually talked about dictating in a confessional) was amazing. 

"I don't have a watch." could have been the episode title, though the irony of Aaron being part of the 2 for 1 deal was probably too sweet to resist.

It was hilarious how Karishma so quickly turned Missy from the arrogant, boss woman into an anxious, little puppy dog, following her around and begging for her attention.  I'm not sure what the female equivalent of balls finally dropping is.  But, whatever it is, it happened to Karishma last night.

I also liked how being around all these devious aholes made her appreciate having a husband who loves her.

Elaine did a great job of knowing how to relate to Karishma.  Her "Aw shucks, I'm just a little redneck who beat these world class athletes because it was a redneck game", spiel, was also brilliant.  I think it took the target off her, while flattering the muscle-bound morons in the tribe.

After Elaine hugged and kissed Probst, Missy prophetically remarked, "I'm dead!".  Yes, dear, you are.

BTW, Feely Dan, did you notice how both ladies asked Probst's permission before touching him? It isn't really that difficult or confusing, Big Fella.

Watching Elizabeth suffer in the rain was also satisfying after last week.

My schadenfreude cup runneth over.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Bryce Lynch

[violet and green]

1 minute ago, Bryce Lynch said:

I also liked how being around all these devious aholes made her appreciate having a husband who loves her.

Yeah, that was a really nice moment. I like her story arc!

[amazingracefan]

Without people who overplay Survivor wouldn't really be that interesting.

I don't really like Karishma but I suppose she'll be dragged along further, along with Noura.

Edited November 21, 2019 by amazingracefan

[sigmaforce86]

Sometimes it's too bad the players have to self-censor themselves to keep their game play intact.  When Elizabeth gave her speech that was less about herself and more about supporting Missy and how wonderful Missy is and how great her game play is I kept thinking if I were Karishma my first response would be to tell her that everything she's saying and everything she thinks about her alliance/buddies is only because she has her head so far up Missy's ass they're practically one player with Missy as the brains and Elizabeth as the blind foot soldier.   Of course even if Karishma was thinking that it's one of those things you just can't say without looking bad to the jury and the rest of the tribe - Sandra seemed to be giving the benefit of the doubt but Rob called it and I think they both know for sure now; Karishma is well and fully the goat.

Missy's mistake was actually common; getting to sure of her alliance, her game play and herself so she lost any diplomacy she had even if it was fake and went full on I'm running this game I will tell (not ask) you what to do and when to do it.  Not that I'm sorry to see her go but if she had pulled back and played nice even if faking it and kept up that persona and, most important, used the fake nice to get info on what other non-allied people were doing she probably had the smarts to go further.

[cooksdelight]

Considering we see only about one-tenth of what goes on, I can only imagine what Missy said or did to others. In my opinion, she is a first-rate scary bully and I feel for the other jury members stuck in a hotel with her.

[Maggie Mae]

7 hours ago, blackwing said:

Oh and to whoever said in last week‘s episode thread that Dan looks like Harvey Weinstein... I curse you.  Because that’s all I see now.  Ugh.

Sorry but I calls 'em like I sees 'em!!

4 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

4 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

And poor Elizabeth lost “one of” her Number Ones. Then another one. Now all she has left Is a bunch of stupid Twos and Threes.

OMG...dying here!!! Now nobody will want to work with her (fingers crossed)