It is understandable that what transpired between Jamal and Jack is going to cause discussion. I can't, and don't want to, try to prohibit any thoughtful discussion. But, we do need to remember our "Be Civil" rule. Posts that diverge from the rule and start to get too personal against your fellow posters will be removed. Additionally, if you and another poster are just not agreeing with each other, instead of going back-and-forth (and back-and-forth), agree to disagree and move on.