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24 minutes ago, Loves2Dance said:

I don't think Tk should be knitting or eating cheetos, but I also don't see this positively either. Tk clearly missed her hay day and lives vicariously through her daughter. I see this as TK stealing the spotlight from her daughter and that is sad. As much as I actually hate VK, I do feel empathy in having TK for a mother. She is a trainwreck. 

And I'm going to edit to add this, this is one area where I can actually relate to VK in. My mother is a TK of the world and if you haven't grown up with this type of creature for a parent, the behavior may come across as cute or that she wants to be involved/present when it's anything but. It's rooted in the selfish desire to always have a stake, even when her stake isn't appropriate or shouldn't be warranted. These types of mothers also tend to put you, or those around you, down as a way to build themselves up to seem more relevant but wouldn't openly accept anyone belittling you. That is the mother's job and the mother alone. When VK said she was scared to tell her mom she was cut, my heart squeezed a bit because I believed her. Every single action before training camp, inside of training camp and every DCC experience she lost that year was likely thrust in her face as a "That should have been you..." There is no relief from this type of personality and it's exhausting, embarrassing and anxiety inducing. So for this, and this alone, I actually feel for VK. I wouldn't wish my worst enemy with this type of mother...ever. 

I feel for VK's future. When she marries, TK will cause problems planning the wedding of HER dreams rather than VK & her man, perhaps we'll see them on "Say Yes to the Dress" (Randy will refer to TK as the momzilla from hell)....can you imagine awaiting the birth of their child? TK will insist on being in the delivery room whether VK & her man want her there at all...VK will have a tough time becoming an independent adult no matter what

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5 minutes ago, CrazyMoon said:

I feel for VK's future. When she marries, TK will cause problems planning the wedding of HER dreams rather than VK & her man, perhaps we'll see them on "Say Yes to the Dress" (Randy will refer to TK as the momzilla from hell)....can you imagine awaiting the birth of their child? TK will insist on being in the delivery room whether VK & her man want her there at all...VK will have a tough time becoming an independent adult no matter what

This is all true. VK will eventually come to a point in her life where she will put up boundaries or she won't. Until she is out of her mom's house, she has no choice but to accept it. 

4 minutes ago, JoyGirl said:

Which of the two women in the picture is Victoria's mother?  And does anyone know the year(s) she was a DCC?

The one with the blonde hair down.

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On 10/19/2019 at 4:08 PM, sATL said:

 I was shocked when Judy said if they couldn't change fast enough ( like in 4-5 minutes) they couldn't perform... I was thinking what VIP - like a mayor can't talk for an extra minute or two if they had the mike and people stuck in seats waiting (or forced ) to listen

My daughter Irish danced for years and this is how their "show group" operated.  You have stage performance for set time and if you did not make costume change then they would go without you and even at times slot a different dancer to solo.  I don't think it's unusual, especially if you are not the only performance group.

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On 10/19/2019 at 11:56 AM, Gia D. said:

Injuries are going to let them keep an extra or an alternate. 

Because of budget they have kept to firm 36 for years.  I don't think they have ever had alternates, usually use all stars to fill in.  Emma? used to be slotted alot, and then 1 year it was like Jinelle never retired!  I do think 1 year they went to a larger team count because Cassie had knee surgery...but it's been a bit.  If they were to take a larger count, Charlotte would have to loosen the purse strings.

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15 minutes ago, Mardo2044 said:

Because of budget they have kept to firm 36 for years.  I don't think they have ever had alternates, usually use all stars to fill in.  Emma? used to be slotted alot, and then 1 year it was like Jinelle never retired!  I do think 1 year they went to a larger team count because Cassie had knee surgery...but it's been a bit.  If they were to take a larger count, Charlotte would have to loosen the purse strings.

They've had a squad of more than 36 a few times in the last several years. 

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9 hours ago, CrazyMoon said:

I feel for VK's future. When she marries, TK will cause problems planning the wedding of HER dreams rather than VK & her man, perhaps we'll see them on "Say Yes to the Dress" (Randy will refer to TK as the momzilla from hell)....can you imagine awaiting the birth of their child? TK will insist on being in the delivery room whether VK & her man want her there at all...VK will have a tough time becoming an independent adult no matter what

10 hours ago, Loves2Dance said:

I don't think Tk should be knitting or eating cheetos, but I also don't see this positively either. Tk clearly missed her hay day and lives vicariously through her daughter. I see this as TK stealing the spotlight from her daughter and that is sad. As much as I actually hate VK, I do feel empathy in having TK for a mother. She is a trainwreck. 

And I'm going to edit to add this, this is one area where I can actually relate to VK in. My mother is a TK of the world and if you haven't grown up with this type of creature for a parent, the behavior may come across as cute or that she wants to be involved/present when it's anything but. It's rooted in the selfish desire to always have a stake, even when her stake isn't appropriate or shouldn't be warranted. These types of mothers also tend to put you, or those around you, down as a way to build themselves up to seem more relevant but wouldn't openly accept anyone belittling you. That is the mother's job and the mother alone. When VK said she was scared to tell her mom she was cut, my heart squeezed a bit because I believed her. Every single action before training camp, inside of training camp and every DCC experience she lost that year was likely thrust in her face as a "That should have been you..." There is no relief from this type of personality and it's exhausting, embarrassing and anxiety inducing. So for this, and this alone, I actually feel for VK. I wouldn't wish my worst enemy with this type of mother...ever. 

None of these things can be determined from what has been shown on the show of TK.  We really have seen very, very little, if anything about TKs parenting style - all we’ve really seen was her being squeally loud and hugging VK in the parking lot and in the halls a few times, and those few seconds of her cheering in the stands dancing.   For all we know she may act that way at lots of events and not just those of VKs - like doesn’t she have a son too?   Maybe she does that same stuff for him - and her friends, other familiy members, etc.  It may just be her personality.

She may be a little OTT, but I really don’t agree that a few overzealous outbursts of excitement on a reality show are enough to analyze and condemn her as a bad parent.    From the footage shown, VK seems to really love her mom and seems happy she’s following in her footsteps.    And IiRC, Dayton was also crying about not wanting to tell her mom when she was cut - and I’d have to watch it again, but I’m not even sure VK said that.

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On 10/19/2019 at 8:45 AM, Route66 said:

Did anyone else wonder why Meredith was so excited to have Charlotte there? Considering she's constantly a bundle of nerves, why look forward to having Kelli's boss there? Unless you have some personal connection or relationship. The editing for Charlotte's visit would make you believe that Meredith suddenly got good after more than two months. Definitely makes you wonder about rumors that her family is friends with the Jones. 

 Julia's cut also made you think about the rumors that there was bad blood with Lisa and her. She looked just devastated, more than her dream ending but like she knew she was backstabbed.

EXACTLY!!!!  I said that last week!!!  Meredith Jones is either Charlotte’s daughter or niece.

Kelli makes a big deal out of legacies (ugh.... Victoria, enjoy your year, b/c you won’t make it again, if you eat cheeseburgers....), and she’s IN LOVE with Meredith???  Hmmmm...

NEPOTISM ALERT!!!

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If Meredith had been related to anyone connected with DCC, someone here would already know for certain.

I think she's just a very lucky girl if this is what she truly wants.  Someone sees something CMT isn' sharing.  I wonder if CMT puts all the rookie names in a hat and picks which one is the horrible dancer to focus bad technique/memory problems, etc. on every year.

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20 hours ago, woodscommaelle said:

I felt sad for Julia. I had one of the worst interviews of my life last week and if it was broadcast for all to see, I’d be mortified. That said, I don’t feel like she deserved to be cut. I hope she didn’t ruin things with her current employee (if she’s working/not sure she is).  
 

I think most people get media day sunk her.  She is a better dancer imo than several still there.  I can see she has a little stomp in her style but Chelsea made the team and she was "heavy footed" and Danielle's friend was "club foot and clunky"...for all we know it is the first time mentioned.  She has a lot of dance experience and I think She could correct that.  She was way higher up in the scores when they showed the photos and dancers w the stickers than a lot of people including I think a couple vets.  So, I feel for her but do think we are in the minority. On the boards.  The vets clearly liked her, all speaking to her and encouraging her.

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On 10/19/2019 at 2:00 PM, gotta watch said:

I'm proof that this season is duller than dirt: I completely forgot to watch or DVR last night's episode. And it sounds like I missed a good one! I may never forgive myself.

If you want to spend $2.99 you can buy the episode on Amazon.

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48 minutes ago, Mardo2044 said:

So, next year will Julia be allowed the same grace and excuses for "vastly improving" next year like VK or will she be blackballed from TC for her media days?  It will be interesting...

I get the sense Julia is done.., but I could be wrong.

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I'm not "worried" about VK, she seems as bubble headed as her mother and most of this doesn't even phase her. We saw how she acted last year, and I don't think she's changed really, she lost weight and has very favorable edits and scripted comments!  It's a DCC miracle! She is on the road to DCC and her and her mother are loving every minute of it.  TK doesn't bother me at all, bubbly cheerleader and maybe not much else but harmless.  They will be very loyal to the DCC brand.

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Concerning Julia should have known better how to interview based on her major...not really.  As a college professor, few majors do anything to really prepare them.  In the major i taught in, we had mock interviews with those in the field & also worked on resumes.  I did a session where i came into interview dressed & acting inappropriate like chewing gum.  Students interviewed me then i came back into the room appropriately attired & they asked the same questions with different results.  We covered difficult questions such as why do you want to work for us, what would a professor or a boss say about you, why did you leave this last job after 3 weeks, etc.  Most of our students secure jobs before graduation.

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6 hours ago, MyFavShows said:

And IiRC, Dayton was also crying about not wanting to tell her mom when she was cut - and I’d have to watch it again, but I’m not even sure VK said that.

Yes she told the staff person that hugged her in the hall escorting her out.  I don't recall if it was door lady?  Or someone else.  I don't know TK or VK, but I think it is a natural reaction to not want to disappoint.  Many dancers say it to Judy and Kelli when they are cut and they always say no apology needed, they worked hard.

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This is the first season I have watched in several years because my cable didn't include CMT.  I'm glad I got to watch again.

My impression with Julia was that it wasn't just the media day performance, but after they talked to her about it, she went back on the field and dropped an F-bomb *right in front of a camera.*  Not just an F-bomb, but an F-bomb targeted directly at Kelli and Judy.  In a world where the girls are all supposed to accept every criticism with a "yes ma'am" and never think twice, that would be completely unacceptable.  She had to know that would get back to them.

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22 minutes ago, cherryblossom said:

Concerning Julia should have known better how to interview based on her major...not really.  As a college professor, few majors do anything to really prepare them.  In the major i taught in, we had mock interviews with those in the field & also worked on resumes.  I did a session where i came into interview dressed & acting inappropriate like chewing gum.  Students interviewed me then i came back into the room appropriately attired & they asked the same questions with different results.  We covered difficult questions such as why do you want to work for us, what would a professor or a boss say about you, why did you leave this last job after 3 weeks, etc.  Most of our students secure jobs before graduation.

It doesn't say much for her school.  I have 2 friends communications and journalism majors one from an excellent big 10 school and one a b student could get into.  They did all sorts of interviews, panels, filiming, writing script...in regular course assignments.  I think that is why people were surprised she was not more prepared/polished or able to pivot in the office. For the record I think they made a mistake not keeping her compared to others in TCC. I liked Julia a lot as a dancer but after the media and then field f bomb but she got on kellis sh*t list and it's hard to come off it unless your mom is her best friend 🙂

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27 minutes ago, Mardo2044 said:

I'm not "worried" about VK, she seems as bubble headed as her mother and most of this doesn't even phase her. We saw how she acted last year, and I don't think she's changed really, she lost weight and has very favorable edits and scripted comments!  It's a DCC miracle! She is on the road to DCC and her and her mother are loving every minute of it.  TK doesn't bother me at all, bubbly cheerleader and maybe not much else but harmless.  They will be very loyal to the DCC brand.

... But... Will VK be loyal to her teammates ?

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10 minutes ago, Diane Mars said:

... But... Will VK be loyal to her teammates ?

Heck no!  I have seen no evidence of that.  All we DID see of VK last year and then the "no criticism of VK" mandate rumor and the rumor Jailyn being cut from showgroup due to VK complaints points to the opposite. 

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48 minutes ago, cherryblossom said:

Concerning Julia should have known better how to interview based on her major...not really.

Maybe...but she did have 2 internships & has the fill-in job at whatever TV channel.  She definitely should have known better.  It did surprise me that K&J told her she should audition again next year, I thought she really sunk her own ship.

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22 minutes ago, Mardo2044 said:

Heck no!  I have seen no evidence of that.  All we DID see of VK last year and then the "no criticism of VK" mandate rumor and the rumor Jailyn being cut from showgroup due to VK complaints points to the opposite. 

There has been nothing at all shown to indicate that VK is a bad teammate to the other DCCs and TCCs.  All of those things are rumors and none of them were confirmed true on the show.    And if they did pick VK over Jayln for SG (which I’m not even sure was the case), that doesn’t make VK a bad teammate - just means VK was more what they were looking for in a SG candidate this season - was she supposed to turn it down so Jalyn can take her spot?

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10 hours ago, CrazyMoon said:

I feel for VK's future. When she marries, TK will cause problems planning the wedding of HER dreams rather than VK & her man, perhaps we'll see them on "Say Yes to the Dress" (Randy will refer to TK as the momzilla from hell)....can you imagine awaiting the birth of their child? TK will insist on being in the delivery room whether VK & her man want her there at all...VK will have a tough time becoming an independent adult no matter what

I hope for Victoria's sake, she does put up healthy boundaries.  I think she's a young woman who has been pushed, but she's also worked hard this last year to improve.  I think that she deserved her spot on the team.  She's a good dancer, gets the DCC style and definitely has the DCC look.  Her lack of exposure to the real world may not be a huge problem - she'll learn.  She will grow up and mature, and hopefully her DCC experience will help her do that.

I also hope that she doesn't totally go the other way and shut her mom out. I've seen that happen when parents are too involved, and it's sad.

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3 hours ago, Mardo2044 said:

So, next year will Julia be allowed the same grace and excuses for "vastly improving" next year like VK or will she be blackballed from TC for her media days?  It will be interesting...

I think the “f**k this s**t” comment caught on camera has done her in.  I don’t think she’ll be able to come back from that in the eyes of TPTB ;-(

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Me, watching TK's antics:

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Being excited and happy for her daughter is one thing. 

Literally reliving her former glory days, awkward move for move, is something else altogether. And by literally, I mean failing. BADLY.

She's the female embodiment of the long-since-graduated HS quarterback who goes to games, still trying to squeeze himself into his letter jacket.

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On 10/19/2019 at 4:51 PM, bwalker048 said:

So, my very favorite team in all the world is the University of Louisville. My hometown. Our biggest rival is University of Kentucky. It can get petty and ugly. My passion for my Cardinals has been known to manifest itself this way every now and again. However, I will say that I unabashedly love Lily and I root so hard for her. I didn't know what to do with that at first, her being Kentucky alumni. It's different. I am getting used to it. But I do adore her. Dammit. 

GO CARDS! I’m a diehard fan, too. I also had a hard time reconciling lily’s school with my liking of her. 

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2 hours ago, KickPretty said:

I think the “f**k this s**t” comment caught on camera has done her in.  I don’t think she’ll be able to come back from that in the eyes of TPTB ;-(

Plus, the way Kelly started telling her there were things she could work on and Julia brightened up like, "Oh, good, this isn't a Cut meeting," only to have Kelly then drop the axe a minute later--that had to be a little embarrassing and something Kelly wouldn't do to someone she wanted to come back.  They see through the fake tears, they don't like her.

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7 hours ago, KickPretty said:

I think the “f**k this s**t” comment caught on camera has done her in.  I don’t think she’ll be able to come back from that in the eyes of TPTB ;-(

I thought she said, "I fucked up", but I agree, throwing around the f bomb likely killed any comeback hope she had. 

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The support Julia received from the team before getting called into the office and the fact they went to ihop after her cut speaks volumes about what her teammates think of her. I really like Julia and I’ve been one of her biggest fans. I really hope she comes back next year. It’s obvious how much she wanted to make this team. I think several bad things just happened in that last week or so that really affected her performance. 

Also, Kelli you are a total bitch for the way you led into her cut, making it sound lIke she just needed to work on a few things and then boom. She’s cut. 

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Unfortunately for Julia she didn't really have enough time to recover from her media day debacle, her concussion which caused her to be unable to practice, and then that last F bomb attitude on the field when teammates were trying to console her.  They had to cut 4 people at that time and they don't want to cut Lily, Kat nor Meredith.  That left Julia as an easy cut. 

Charlotte was no help to Kelli and Judy when she said all three (Lily, Kat, Meredith) looked like they belonged on the team and then told them to narrow it down to 36.

Lily reminds me of Brennan, in so much that she is so scared she is going to get cut that she cannot relax. 

IMO Kat and Meredith should probably have been cut long ago, but I understand that Kelli really likes them and wants them on the team and if she can sweet talk Charlotte into keeping them all, then she will. With that said Kat and Meredith are making improvements (even if they are small) and that speaks volumes to Kelli.

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The other thing that makes me crazy is Victoria, Amanda and Kelcey having to act like there’s still a chance they’ll get cut. I mean, maybe if someone mailed nude pics to Kelli, but seriously. At this point none of those ladies are going anywhere short of something awful coming to light. 

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On 10/19/2019 at 9:43 AM, Lexusprincess said:

Julia, a broadcast major and professional, bombed the media interview and then floundered in her meeting discussing it.  Her putdown of her current employment would have made me cut her earlier.  Her feet are not always great in placement (they showed Amy on demonstrating to Julia a move that Julia was pigeon-toed in) and she seemed to struggle on the field.  Kat on the field got better.  The last night Meredith even looked better.  Julia looked stompy on the field which is not unusual for those who come from basketball.  Lisa made the transition, Julia not so much.  Julia's  reaction in coming out of her meeting on her media bomb was not classy (F bomb and push off of Ciana) and did her no favors.  

Why look for conspiracy theories when the facts show why Julia should not have made the team?  The fact she was "shocked" to be cut after she did so poorly on her media training gave me the impression she never got what she did wrong in her interview.  She's an appearance risk.

I haven't seen enough of Julia's dancing to know one way or the other whether that was a reason to cut her, but I confess I liked her a whole lot more before the past couple of weeks when we saw how she handled herself in the media training and in her office conversations with Kelli and Judy. I didn't care for her personality or behavior once we finally got a chance to see those things. So now I'm perfectly fine with them cutting her. Likewise, what we saw of Kat and Meredith in this episode made them look as if they were finally handling the choreography and looked good on the field. Even so, my eyes have truly been opened these past few seasons and I do think that no matter how lacking a girl may be in any area, if Kelli (or Charlotte) wants her on the team, she's going to make it. 

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2 hours ago, PrincessLeia said:

The other thing that makes me crazy is Victoria, Amanda and Kelcey having to act like there’s still a chance they’ll get cut. I mean, maybe if someone mailed nude pics to Kelli, but seriously. At this point none of those ladies are going anywhere short of something awful coming to light. 

I doubt Kelcey and Amanda have anything to lose sleep over. They appear to be safe for the time being. As for VK, well, SMH. 😒

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Just watching the episode now. I am in complete agreement with those who think TK dancing in the stands is cringeworthy. A proud mom jumps up and down and claps...a woman who wants to make sure everyone around her knows that *she* was once on the team, does some steps in the stands. 

Anyone think it’s a little anticlimactic for the show group rookies to have already performed in uniform? Seems like it’ll take some excitement away from their first game!

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Just an observation, but unless I missed a comment here or there, I can’t believe Kelli’s “I’m not playing favorites” comment went unmentioned here! (When she was watching Taylor but thought it was Victoria)

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On 10/18/2019 at 10:10 PM, Pj3422 said:

Nice to see Lexie, Bridget, & Gina front and center in certain formations.

I could’ve gone all night without seeing Tina Kalina act like the drunk aunt at the wedding. 

I’m getting really tired of Kelly & Judy talking about how the cuts affect them.

Also, Cheryl is a treasure.

Hahahahah too funny!  I had the same reaction to her over the top antics in the stands.  The other thing that stood out to me was Victoria and talking about this "sisterhood" that she now shares w/her mother.....yadda yadda.  Its like EVERY word out of her mouth this year is so scripted and cornball.  This was shades of the awful dialogue at the spa day.

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28 minutes ago, liliparis said:

Hahahahah too funny!  I had the same reaction to her over the top antics in the stands.  The other thing that stood out to me was Victoria and talking about this "sisterhood" that she now shares w/her mother.....yadda yadda.  Its like EVERY word out of her mouth this year is so scripted and cornball.  This was shades of the awful dialogue at the spa day.

"Now Victoria, when you spew that ridiculous line, look serious.  Then smile towards the end.  It will make you look intelligent AND grown up! Then we'll cut to your mother....."

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1 hour ago, PhillyFan said:

Just an observation, but unless I missed a comment here or there, I can’t believe Kelli’s “I’m not playing favorites” comment went unmentioned here! (When she was watching Taylor but thought it was Victoria)

IKR?! 

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I don't hate Victoria. I feel like whoever helps her make her teeth so crazy white could maybe help her teeth look better--maybe it's too late for braces but those invisline things? I don't know. It's petty but she's in a petty business.

I normally love "shot of proud parents being dorky cheering on their kid." I go for that on the Voice. But I did think the dancing in the stands thing seemed to go beyond "dorky proud parent." Did feel a bit more cringe worthy in the way of "parent trying to live through their child."

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7 hours ago, RedbirdNelly said:

I don't hate Victoria. I feel like whoever helps her make her teeth so crazy white could maybe help her teeth look better--maybe it's too late for braces but those invisline things? I don't know. It's petty but she's in a petty business.

Changing VK's dental alignment would involve breaking bones and removing teeth to change the shape of her palate ...She's fine the way she is. The whitening job is spectacular....but you'll notice that if she wears a more neutral lipstick it's not so pronounced. The red draws attention big time.

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On 10/21/2019 at 10:58 AM, CountryGirl said:

Me, watching TK's antics:

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Being excited and happy for her daughter is one thing. 

Literally reliving her former glory days, awkward move for move, is something else altogether. And by literally, I mean failing. BADLY.

She's the female embodiment of the long-since-graduated HS quarterback who goes to games, still trying to squeeze himself into his letter jacket.

Ha, she's Al Bundy still telling people about the time he scored four touchdowns in a single game at Polk High!

My sisters and I all danced and had other activities. Our parents were very supportive (and they made sure we were supportive of each other's activities, even if that meant waking up at the crack of dawn on a Saturday and driving two hours to sit in a hot gym without any AC to watch a gymnastics meet ALL DAY). But my parents taught us how to be supportive without being obnoxious. We sat quietly while people were performing (even people who weren't related to us) and we clapped when they were done. We didn't stand up in the audience while someone else was performing and draw attention to ourselves because that's rude.

My mom was very supportive. She was at every competition, every recital, etc. She always brought us flowers afterward and made sure we had snacks to eat while we were backstage/waiting to go on. She can be a drama queen but she never tried to make our activities or performances about her by standing up during a performance and dancing along. Now I need to go call my mom and thank her for not being obnoxious in public.

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