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23 hours ago, IndianPaintbrush said:

I feel like the hat was a little too much.

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Doesn't even look like Josie is dressed for the same event as her hat, Kelton and their daughter, let alone dressed to have their picture taken together by a photographer no less.   

 

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Yeah, this artsy urban setting is a good backdrop for Josie by herself, but not for a family photo. It looks like she's in a fancy modeling shoot and Kelton and Willow just happened to wander in.

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She certainly does seem to be more sentimental about this pregnancy.  I don't recall quite so many photo shoots while she was carrying Willow.

I really have to wonder if the combination of last year's miscarriage, her clotting disorder and allergy to Heparin, the other undisclosed issues with the pregnancy, and what happened to Kelton's mother have made them realize that this may be it. They do seem to have more sense than a lot of the others.  She is seeing actual specialists for high risk pregnancies instead of Dr. Vick. Those specialists would not hesitate to tell them another pregnancy may be too dangerous.

Of course, having said that she will probably be pregnant again within a year. 

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3 hours ago, 3 is enough said:

She certainly does seem to be more sentimental about this pregnancy.  I don't recall quite so many photo shoots while she was carrying Willow.

I really have to wonder if the combination of last year's miscarriage, her clotting disorder and allergy to Heparin, the other undisclosed issues with the pregnancy, and what happened to Kelton's mother have made them realize that this may be it. They do seem to have more sense than a lot of the others.  She is seeing actual specialists for high risk pregnancies instead of Dr. Vick. Those specialists would not hesitate to tell them another pregnancy may be too dangerous.

Of course, having said that she will probably be pregnant again within a year. 

She probably will. Erin had problems in the beginning with miscarriages which lead to learning about the clotting disorder. But after that it was back to back babies. Zero thought to whether that was good or healthy or could cause a problem later. Alyssa's heart problem is the only reason she was delayed having a fourth baby or she would probably have had her fifth by now. But the moment she was cleared she wasted no time getting pregnant again. I can't imagine Josie's that different.

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If she has the clotting disorder but is allergic to heparin, what is she doing? Are there other drugs instead or are they chancing it this whole pregnancy?

I think she goes to drs from U Tenn, at least she delivered the first kid at a UT hospital. So yeah they wouldn’t be at all shy to tell anyone if more pregnancies are dangerous and they should consider wrapping up shop with two kids. Of course they can’t force you to listen and must take you on as a high risk patient once you and your husband go back and consider it and say sure but they’re JUST drs, only the Lord knows. I don’t think they’re stopping now. They haven’t made a boy for Kelton so right now there isn’t a Balka grandson and Kelton is the only married son who can produce a namesake right now + once they make said boy, they’ll want him to have a brother. I say the quickest they wrap it up is with 4 kids and if there’s a few more girls along the way it’ll be more like 5-7 kids.

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I don't know about Kelton pushing for a boy. He seems to adore Josie and I can't imagine that he would dare risk her life to try for another pregnancy if it were at all risky. That said my daughter also had a clotting disorder and lost 2 pregnancies at exactly 10 weeks before they diagnosed the problem. She was put on a a blood thinner and the 3rd time was a charm. It was not at all a risk for her health  but for the baby. So who knows but this couple seems so much more sensible than the rest of the Bates crew. 

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So far, the Bates daughters seem to not be built to deliver baby after baby. I think God is trying to tell them something. I also don't think that Kelly was ideally suited for so many babies either. She, too, has the clotting issue yet continued with 19 children. I hope Gil and Kelly see God's handwriting on the wall and don't encourage/require their daughters to continue with baby after baby. 

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Kelly has the clotting issue?  I thought that was from Gil's side of the family.  His sister has it.

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Even if Kelton isn't pressuring for a boy (and IDK about that - maybe he isn't but I can see him wanting a son; he's very big on his own father-son relationship and his brother relationships and now he has a business so I can see him wanting to work side by side with a son), look at John & Alyssa. John has said many times that he doesn't need a son and he seems SO over the baby making/dealing with little kids, that I think if Alyssa were to say that's it, we're done -- he'd be ecstatic. Yet it's ALYSSA who started with that's it we're done with 4 and is now back to well give us another 1-2 years and we'll see. SHE seems like she is desperate to give John a son even though he's at the point where he's like meh I don't care that much, let's just get over this baby/little kid stage and move on with life. These girls have been raised to think like that, even the ones who seem less backwards than others . . . wouldn't be surprised if it was similar with Josie.

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I wonder if taking pictures in parking garage with a cityscape will be the new crouching down in the field of weeds?

On 6/4/2021 at 5:18 AM, floridamom said:

So far, the Bates daughters seem to not be built to deliver baby after baby. I think God is trying to tell them something. I also don't think that Kelly was ideally suited for so many babies either. She, too, has the clotting issue yet continued with 19 children. I hope Gil and Kelly see God's handwriting on the wall and don't encourage/require their daughters to continue with baby after baby. 

 

On 6/4/2021 at 10:29 AM, Absolom said:

Kelly has the clotting issue?  I thought that was from Gil's side of the family.  His sister has it.

The clotting disorder is from Gil's side. Kelly needed progesterone shots during her later in life pregnancies ( starting around age 38 or so). This is not uncommon among older women having babies. However, Kelly did not need that treatment until after she was 35 and her daughters are/were all in their twenties. 

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So, does anyone know when Josie will be induced? She posted a couple of days ago on the nursery pics that it would be "a few days." I guess before the weekend?

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Why didn't she do it 2 days ago? She and Whit could have given birth together and shared a post partum room. I mean isn't that the Bates' dream - as many people pregnant and birthing at the same time as possible so this literally could have been THE SAME TIME. Though I guess Josie uses U. Tenn not Vick so maybe they won't find it compelling to induce today bc OMG my sister in law is giving birth to grandchild 10001 and if I gave birth to 10002 today they'd have the same date and place of birth and it'd make mommy and God soooo happy, please???!

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She is clearly quite nervous about being induced.  I'm guessing Friday or Monday.  I hope everything goes well.  I know Kelton is very nervous about epidurals because of his mother, but I hate to think of her suffering just to keep him from freaking out.

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20 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

She is clearly quite nervous about being induced.  I'm guessing Friday or Monday.  I hope everything goes well.  I know Kelton is very nervous about epidurals because of his mother, but I hate to think of her suffering just to keep him from freaking out.

Why is he nervous about epidurals because of his mother? I thought his mother did a home birth and something went wrong. I assumed at best she had a midwife etc., the way fundies do birth - wing it and hope for the best. Like I hadn’t heard what went wrong had anything to do with pain management at a major hospital. A place like UT does thousands of epidurals per month so yeah I hope she doesn’t suffer the contractions caused by the inducing drugs (which I’ve heard are much much stronger) without an epidural just bc of Kelton. Haven’t given birth myself but I’ve heard from friends that when they start talking about drugs to move a labor along, they automatically call an anesthesiologist, and if you then say you wanted to do it naturally, they heavily counsel against it.

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No, she was at a birthing center. She had an amniotic fluid embolism.  Kelton seems to think it was caused by an epidural.  But since the epidural is administered at the spine I can’t see how it would cause amniotic fluid to enter the bloodstream. Evidently he thinks it was to blame and Josie did not have one with Willow.

I was induced for my first and third babies. I got an epidural for the first, but for the second and third I had no anesthesia.  I didn’t really find the third any harder than the second .  🤷🏼‍♀️

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1 minute ago, 3 is enough said:

She had an amniotic fluid embolism.  Kelton seems to think it was caused by an epidural.  But since the epidural is administered at the spine I can’t see how it would cause amniotic fluid to enter the bloodstream. Evidently he thinks it was to blame and Josie did not have one with Willow.

I was induced for my first and third babies. I got an epidural for the first, but for the second and third I had no anesthesia.  I didn’t really find the third any harder than the second .  🤷🏼‍♀️

How do we know what Kelton thinks? Did they do an IG live on this? He talks somewhere about his mom's epidural and how it caused her amniotic fluid embolism?

Regardless while it's super sad about his mom and always will be, I hope he doesn't "deny"  his wife pain relief because of what happened to his mom a decade ago at a different hospital. Like sure talk to the drs about it and about how you're super nervous, they'll walk you thru what causes whatever his mom's condition was and how likely it is NOT caused by an epidural, and will provide you reassurances on being super safe/only having an attending anesthesiologist to do the epi/whatever you need, but ultimately it is your WIFE's decision because she's the one enduring the pain and having a person come out of her, not you. IDK something about Kelton seems controlling though. IDK why I think that but I do. Maybe it isn't so much about his control but about how she seems 1000% invested in pleasing Kelton and would prob do what he preferred even as she endured pain and actual drs. with years and years of training told her it'd be ok to get an epidural.

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I'm pretty sure Kelton talked about the epidural being responsible for his mother's death on the show. This is the first I've heard about an amniotic embolism. 

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Kelton did talk about it on the show.  He blamed the epidural because some women experience headaches when it wears off and he believed that the headache from his mother’s embolism/ aneurysm was attributed to that side effect.

There are different sources online that say she died either from an aneurysm or an amniotic embolism.  
 

I do understand his fears for Josie, but here’s an idea: Stop knocking her up every year.  Enjoy the two girls you will have.  Take a break.  Josie is only 21.  Even if you decide you want another child, you can wait 5 years- she will still be under 30. 

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23 hours ago, cereality said:

How do we know what Kelton thinks? Did they do an IG live on this? He talks somewhere about his mom's epidural and how it caused her amniotic fluid embolism?

Regardless while it's super sad about his mom and always will be, I hope he doesn't "deny"  his wife pain relief because of what happened to his mom a decade ago at a different hospital. Like sure talk to the drs about it and about how you're super nervous, they'll walk you thru what causes whatever his mom's condition was and how likely it is NOT caused by an epidural, and will provide you reassurances on being super safe/only having an attending anesthesiologist to do the epi/whatever you need, but ultimately it is your WIFE's decision because she's the one enduring the pain and having a person come out of her, not you. IDK something about Kelton seems controlling though. IDK why I think that but I do. Maybe it isn't so much about his control but about how she seems 1000% invested in pleasing Kelton and would prob do what he preferred even as she endured pain and actual drs. with years and years of training told her it'd be ok to get an epidural.

In Season 9 Episode 1, Josie gives birth to Willow. They were doing their couch interview about the experience. At one point Josie was struggling and passed out. She said that she woke up to Kelton crying/bawling. The nurses, etc. encouraged Josie to get an epidural, use pitocin, or have them break the water at that point because she was having such a rough time and it was lasting so long (36 hours at that point). She and Kelton (per Kelly Jo) asked for time to discuss it. Then Kelton does part of the interview and says, "The epidural was one of the scariest parts for me because that is one of the factors that actually resulted in them not being able to catch the signs that led to my mother's death." 

Gil then interviews and says that he and Mr. Balka were in the waiting room and that Mr. Balka was nervous too (presumably about the epidural), as the last labor and delivery he was at was when "his wife went to be with the lord."

I don't know if the epidural masked the symptoms for Kelton's mom. However, I can understand if that is what he was told from a young age then he probably does truly believe it. From their talking heads, it didn't sound like he had encouraged her not to get one. She spoke a few times about seeing the fear in his eyes and not wanting to add to it. I can imagine it was scary for Kelton to watch his wife be in so much pain and struggling - reportedly passing out more than once - and thinking that the suggested remedy for that was the one thing that you had been told contributed to you losing your mother. 

I know they had a doula for the last birth. I think they would have benefited from some birthing classes that discussed pain management from a scientific and logical standpoint. Kelton (and Josie) should have been in a setting to ask questions about the process before she had been in labor for 36 hours. 

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Josie keeps saying that she is going to be induced early but it seems like this pregnancy has lasted at least 18 months. She must have been 2 weeks pregnant whe she revealed her pregnancy. 

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I wouldn't surprised if she was induced already (Friday maybe?) and they're waiting to announce the birth. Either just so she can leave the hospital, or for the tabloids to be ready to publish the news.

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I was thinking the same.  She has not posted a thing since Thursday.  
Maybe they just want a couple of days of privacy, or, given that there were “complications”, she may have needed a c-section and she is recovering.  I don’t think any of the Bates sisters have had to deal with that yet.

Also given the whole situation with Jadon maybe they are just lying low.

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Probably more to do with the tabloids and other media getting the first photos out and Josie and Kelton getting paid.  Don't these people usually have a deal with one of the magazines?

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Yeah no posts since Thursday and no Sunday church pics from either her or Kelton talking about how blessed they are? Yeah she's delivered. I imagine it's about magazine timing now -- I also wonder if you don't want to break the news on the weekend bc you get less eyes on those websites and our own Insta. They may be waiting until Monday. There have been sizeable delays from this family lately -- Jadon's birth was announced 2 days later (though I get that maybe they didn't have the bandwidth with the NICU) but also Nathan and Katie’s engagements were both announced almost a week after they happened which to me screams magazine/website/insta timing to get the most people viewing so that next time the magazine is like yeah their last birth/engagement got x hits of course we'll cover the next one.

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I hope Josie's delivery went safely, but Lord, this has been the most annoying pregnancy ever. I'm surprised Josie didn't squeeze in a photo shoot at the front door of the hospital. 

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With cousin Jadon so sick, I can't blame Josie for not posting picks. I think she was likely induced Friday and came home today. 

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

I hope Josie's delivery went safely, but Lord, this has been the most annoying pregnancy ever. I'm surprised Josie didn't squeeze in a photo shoot at the front door of the hospital. 

Let's wait and see where the photos were taken when the news is announced.

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Tuesday morning and still crickets.  She did like Whitney's post about Jadon.  I guess they are waiting for People/Us to publish their story. 🙄

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They were able to allow a professional photographer? I guess TN has really opened up 

Weird that they didn't share any stats. 

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5 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

They were able to allow a professional photographer? I guess TN has really opened up 

Weird that they didn't share any stats. 

NY and California opened all the way today, except if a business asks for masks.  So maybe the hospital is the same?

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Just now, 65mickey said:

The article in US shows 6lb. 3 oz and 18"long. 

I guess I was blocked from seeing the entire article? Do we have a birthday?

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1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I guess I was blocked from seeing the entire article? Do we have a birthday?

Monday, June 14. 

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3 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

NY and California opened all the way today, except if a business asks for masks.  So maybe the hospital is the same?

Kelly and Carlin weren't allowed in the hospital when Whitney gave birth. They hung out in a parking garage.

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It does occur to me that some of the Bates and other reality tv families might delay announcing by a day or two for security reasons. You wouldn't want a crazy follower or fan showing up to meet you, bring a gift, etc. So it might be a strategic thing of announcing right as mom and baby are released. 

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

Kelly and Carlin weren't allowed in the hospital when Whitney gave birth. They hung out in a parking garage.

I seem to remember something about they limited who was in the delivery room still but afterwards they could have more visitors. I don't know the timing on Jadon's O2 dropping but it could be that they were planning to be there when they were admitted to a room and then things happened. 

I know a woman (wouldn't call her a friend) who takes newborn pics at the hospitals near me. She is allowed to do photos in the regular rooms but not in labor/delivery areas. 

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Right, we don't know how soon Jadon began to show signs of distress. But it wasn't immediate; there were pics of Whitney holding him. 

Still wonder why I couldn't read the article but saw the pics. Weird...

 

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I think they delay making the birth announcement because US has an exclusive deal to publish the first pictures and Josie and Kelton want to make sure nothing slips out and voids the deal with US. Also they are not real celebrities with people hanging out by the birthing center I wouldn't think.  And how would anyone know where she was givig birth?

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How many hospitals are in Knoxville? 

That said, they were careful not to say when Josie would be induced which is the best way to keep stalkers out of the hospital lobby.

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14 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

How many hospitals are in Knoxville? 

That said, they were careful not to say when Josie would be induced which is the best way to keep stalkers out of the hospital lobby.

Well hopefully she's left bc her IG post says exactly where the child was born, who the dr. was etc. These girls do all rush home the moment after they give birth, even if they have underlying issues, so if she was born 6/14 they may be home already -- as her IG post also talks about meals being delivered and I'd imagine those are after birth though maybe not. I think Alyssa with her heart condition has run out of the hospital and that office like birthing center within hours (for the birth center - that may have been before the heart problem was known) and then next day with the latest kid. They may have to mix up where they deliver the next kid.

I know she says she delivered at a hospital birth center (sounds like a hospital owned center anyway), but did she actually deliver in an exam room? The computer and cabinet right behind Kelton don't look comfortable at all, not to mention her bed looks like an exam table not a hospital bed. And usually the wall behind the patient at a hospital has a thousand different plugs and ports -- even if not in use, it's all built in equipment just in case a patient were to need O2 etc.

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1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Kelly and Carlin weren't allowed in the hospital when Whitney gave birth. They hung out in a parking garage.

Maybe different rules or they broke the rules before they got reminded 

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1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Right, we don't know how soon Jadon began to show signs of distress. But it wasn't immediate; there were pics of Whitney holding him. 

Still wonder why I couldn't read the article but saw the pics. Weird...

 

I had the same thing happen to me- there was a pop up saying it was exclusive content and asking for my email.  I clicked out and tried again and was able to see the whole thing.

Carlin posted in her stories that she and Katie were headed to meet Hazel.  They had Starbucks and flowers.  I am assuming they are home.

1 hour ago, cereality said:

These girls do all rush home the moment after they give birth, even if they have underlying issues, so if she was born 6/14 they may be home already -- as her IG post also talks about meals being delivered and I'd imagine those are after birth though maybe not

Given their questionable health insurance status I bet they want out before day 2 and more charges.

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1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

I think they delay making the birth announcement because US has an exclusive deal to publish the first pictures and Josie and Kelton want to make sure nothing slips out and voids the deal with US. Also they are not real celebrities with people hanging out by the birthing center I wouldn't think.  And how would anyone know where she was givig birth?

I'm not saying there isn't a deal with US. However, depending on the timing of the birth yesterday, US could have already had things ready to go then and not wait for today.

I just think a bit of security plays into it. Some of the girls have been a little savvier than others. No, they aren't J-Lo or even Kardashian level celebrities. However, they are known and do have some strange fans. They also don't have security teams. 

A former friend of mine is semi-known for her former acting gigs. She is a sister of a celebrity. A lot of people wouldn't know her but if she had a camera crew following her they would assume. They would also think they know her from somewhere. 

When she had her first baby she was in labor and a curious person who was more a fan of her sibling walked right into the room where she was in labor and started asking her questions and wanted a pic with her, etc. The woman told people (think early days of TMZ) and people were calling the hospital asking for details on the baby, claiming to be family, and asking if the celebrity sibling had visited or was going to visit. It was insanely scary. For the second baby the hospital execs even stepped forward and said they wanted a security plan.

While I can't imagine stalking anyone, let alone the Bates, we know that these girls and guys end up with people sending them and their kids gifts, trying to get invites to the wedding, wanting personal notes from the three that own the boutique, etc. I know there was a story about some lower level reality personality who said she never thought about it either. However, she gave birth. Her husband went to get food. She takes a nap and wakes up to two strangers in her room taking pics of the baby. 

Things are more secure now but people are still crazy. 

 

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

How many hospitals are in Knoxville? 

That said, they were careful not to say when Josie would be induced which is the best way to keep stalkers out of the hospital lobby.

There are probably half a dozen. It wouldn't take much for someone to figure it out. 

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But hospitals can't give out any info and not even say if a specific person is a patient there unless the patient gives permission. Even Josie's mom would not be able to get this info without Josie's permission. So unless she has stalkers hanging out at all of the hospitals for days no one would know where she was admitted or when she was admitted, when the baby was born or when they were being idscharged. But not to say there aren't some crazy fans who would try. 

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Then she used a birth center. That would thwart stalkers who wouldn't have a clue. She gave every indication that she was going to have a hospital birth what with her "complications" and whatnot.

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2 hours ago, 65mickey said:

But hospitals can't give out any info and not even say if a specific person is a patient there unless the patient gives permission. Even Josie's mom would not be able to get this info without Josie's permission. So unless she has stalkers hanging out at all of the hospitals for days no one would know where she was admitted or when she was admitted, when the baby was born or when they were being idscharged. But not to say there aren't some crazy fans who would try. 

I get it. I know how the rules should work. But it's a big leap to say they do work all the time. Privacy breaks are not uncommon. I've been the victim of that more than once during hospital stays. But I'm not trying to argue with you. 

I am simply saying that I do think security and privacy does play into some decisions that some of the girls make. Erin and Whitney seem to have no issue with an audience of dozens when they give birth. We learned with Josie when she was pregnant with Willow that she seemed to want a more private experience and did not even have it filmed for the show. Unlike Carlin who posts real time content, Josie typically posts things after the fact. 

I personally think they are quite foolish for being as open as they are about other things. Names of businesses and phone numbers. Even the outside of their homes and the city where they are located. At least some of them show some common sense regarding not telling the world where they are at vulnerable times. 

2 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Then she used a birth center. That would thwart stalkers who wouldn't have a clue. She gave every indication that she was going to have a hospital birth what with her "complications" and whatnot.

No, that's not true. Tenova North Birthing Center is the name of the labor and delivery unit for the hospital she went to in Powell, TN - close to Knoxville. It's just what they call that particular wing and floor. It is part of the hospital. 

https://www.tennovanorthknoxville.com/maternity-care-services

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Oh okay. It sounded like a completely different facility. Glad she had a hospital birth. Hopefully, she had an epidural this time if she wanted one.

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