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However, only one of them is going to be working for the foreseeable future. I don't see Josie going back to a salon; she and Katie will do the family hair.

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Josie went on to say that Kelton didn't feel comfortable with the cameras given what happened to his mother. They chose to go more private. Not Alyssa privacy, but close.

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1 hour ago, 3 is enough said:

Yes, I saw that.  Good for them.  I guess it was harder to keep the family away since they live in Knoxville, but saying no to the filming was a start.

I was happy to see that too, as it is a sign that maybe she isn't as deeply dependent on the attention and family as some of her sisters. While I doubt I would want a dozen people in the room with me, I think it was sweet that Kelton's dad was there to support him. I'm going with that idea because it is a bit creepy for dad-in-law to be there for a birth. But it was surely an emotional thing for Kelton and his father to remember his mother and all the other emotions that come with a first child/grandchild. 

I appreciate that Josie and Kelton felt comfortable making that decision not to be filmed for that moment. Good for them!

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Josie liked someone's comment on Lauren Duggar's photo of snark, Lauren had the almost the exact same photo of Bella under the tree as Josie did with Willow and the outfit was spot on. Someone commented that they liked the aesthetic so much that they copied her and Josie liked it.

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Josie also made a comment on Lauren's copying her. Actually I think Josie is less mature for commenting on it than Lauren is for copying her. 

Josie also revealed recently they thought they would wait a year to have a baby (like Jinger D Vuolo). It's unclear if they were actually prepared to do anything to prevent pregnancy.  I've heard similar stories from fundie Catholics. (People who were doing nothing to prevent pregnancy and still thought they would have at least a year before getting pregnant.)

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On Josie & Kelton 'waiting a year' before another child; I think they may be relying on the breast feeding thing as birth control. We all know that is not a reliable method to delay conception. She is still open to it at any time, really. Look at Michelle Duggar and her back to back conceptions while still nursing.  Josie & Kelton need to get real and have a good plan for themselves. I'm sure God won't be mad at them for having their own desires and financial capabilities to consider in the children department.

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6 hours ago, Temperance said:

Josie also made a comment on Lauren's copying her. Actually I think Josie is less mature for commenting on it than Lauren is for copying her. 

 

I agree. I could scroll through my Facebook feed right now and find several "baby under a Christmas tree" posts. It's hardly a proprietary pose. Josie comes off really petty for even remarking on it. 

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7 hours ago, floridamom said:

On Josie & Kelton 'waiting a year' before another child; I think they may be relying on the breast feeding thing as birth control. We all know that is not a reliable method to delay conception. She is still open to it at any time, really. Look at Michelle Duggar and her back to back conceptions while still nursing.  Josie & Kelton need to get real and have a good plan for themselves. I'm sure God won't be mad at them for having their own desires and financial capabilities to consider in the children department.

Josie's comment about waiting was regarding their first child. They wanted to wait a year. Obviously, that didn't happen, as Willow was a honeymoon baby.

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15 hours ago, Temperance said:

Josie also made a comment on Lauren's copying her. Actually I think Josie is less mature for commenting on it than Lauren is for copying her. 

I agree. Go to Pinterest and Instagram today and you'll see dozens of babies positioned under trees while surrounded by presents. It's a cute photo. It makes Josie look very immature if she really has an issue with Lauren using the same pose. 

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51 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Where was this posted? Josie or Lauren's post?

Not sure, but someone had a screenshot in the JB and Michelle thread in the Counting On forums. 

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I would like to know just what kind of sex education these people receive from their parents before they marry. Josie and Kelton obviously didn't receive the correct information about how their bodies work. To publicly state that you would like to wait a year before children; then have a honeymoon baby is telling IMO. Yet, these same people say that they will have as many babies as God allows and won't use any birth control. Does this add up to anyone else? I hope they have learned a few things and consulted a real doctor about fertility and conception.

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Josie responded on her instagram that it was not true that she made a comment about Lauren copying her. She said that she had nothing but love for Lauren and Bella.  

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22 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Josie responded on her instagram that it was not true that she made a comment about Lauren copying her. She said that she had nothing but love for Lauren and Bella.  

I am a pretty cynical person, but it doesn't seem like something Josie would say on social media. While she might have those feelings internally about Lauren, she is one of the more savvy ones in terms of social media. 

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On 12/30/2019 at 5:29 AM, floridamom said:

I would like to know just what kind of sex education these people receive from their parents before they marry. Josie and Kelton obviously didn't receive the correct information about how their bodies work. To publicly state that you would like to wait a year before children; then have a honeymoon baby is telling IMO. Yet, these same people say that they will have as many babies as God allows and won't use any birth control. Does this add up to anyone else? I hope they have learned a few things and consulted a real doctor about fertility and conception.

When it's a given that the no birth control message has been driven home and to the moon and back many, many times I can't see any amount of sex education overcoming a young and healthy couple's desire to do what young and healthy couples do when at long last given the chance to be alone with complete privacy.       

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On 12/31/2019 at 12:10 PM, Tikichick said:

When it's a given that the no birth control message has been driven home and to the moon and back many, many times I can't see any amount of sex education overcoming a young and healthy couple's desire to do what young and healthy couples do when at long last given the chance to be alone with complete privacy.       

It's the naivete that fundie couples think they won't get pregnant right away that I find odd.   I don't expect married couples to obstain and it's their business to have sex or start a family.  If you're having sex and leaving it up to God,  you should realise there's a good chance you're starting your family. 

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7 hours ago, Temperance said:

It's the naivete that fundie couples think they won't get pregnant right away that I find odd.   I don't expect married couples to obstain and it's their business to have sex or start a family.  If you're having sex and leaving it up to God,  you should realise there's a good chance you're starting your family. 

True...In my family most of my cousins got pregnant between 15 and 19. They all said the same thing, "we weren't trying to get pregnant." If you aren't preventing, then you're essentially trying either actively or by tempting fate. Or in the words of my late grandmother, "there is no such thing as verbal birth control."

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I'm willing to give Josie (and other fundies) a pass on the *first* baby that happens quickly because realistically speaking, I don't think anyone knows for sure how quickly they will or won't get pregnant once actively engaging as well as not preventing. Not everyone is Fertile Myrtle and gets pregnant within one or two cycles. It's when they've had 2 or 3 kids and still act all surprised when yet again, somewhere around the current baby's 6th or 7th month, biology prevails (I'm looking at you, Erin). I still maintain that we'll really see how dedicated to the cause all the Bates adult children are, once they get into their 30s. Plenty of people have 3-4 kids close in age while in their 20s, but not plenty of people go on to have 5, 6, 7, 15, 20 babies while in their 30s and 40s. I'm willing to bet at least one Bates (my money's on Erin and Tori) will go on to have 8-10 or more, but my expectation is that at least some of them have or will have googled "ways to not get pregnant without artificial birth control" by the time they're 30ish and are older and more tired and ready to slow or stop the train (my money here is on Josie, Alyssa, and maybe Carlin). They all have smartphones and high speed internet and no excuses, IMO, to not learn how these things work now that they're adults, if they weren't educated properly as kids.

 

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I think quite a few will quietly use some form of birth control especially in their 30s.  I think by then many of them won't care nearly as much about their parents' opinions.  They've been held back developmentally so it will take them longer to begin following their own ideas.  For health reasons, it looks like Alyssa and John are already using birth control.  I believe that will spread through several of the second generation families.

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4 hours ago, JessDVD said:

I'm willing to give Josie (and other fundies) a pass on the *first* baby that happens quickly because realistically speaking, I don't think anyone knows for sure how quickly they will or won't get pregnant once actively engaging as well as not preventing. Not everyone is Fertile Myrtle and gets pregnant within one or two cycles. It's when they've had 2 or 3 kids and still act all surprised when yet again, somewhere around the current baby's 6th or 7th month, biology prevails (I'm looking at you, Erin). I still maintain that we'll really see how dedicated to the cause all the Bates adult children are, once they get into their 30s. Plenty of people have 3-4 kids close in age while in their 20s, but not plenty of people go on to have 5, 6, 7, 15, 20 babies while in their 30s and 40s. I'm willing to bet at least one Bates (my money's on Erin and Tori) will go on to have 8-10 or more, but my expectation is that at least some of them have or will have googled "ways to not get pregnant without artificial birth control" by the time they're 30ish and are older and more tired and ready to slow or stop the train (my money here is on Josie, Alyssa, and maybe Carlin). They all have smartphones and high speed internet and no excuses, IMO, to not learn how these things work now that they're adults, if they weren't educated properly as kids.

 

I could see that if that wasn't for two things. Each of Josie's sisters except for Michael and her mother all got pregnant right away. I know every woman could be different but if your mother and four of your five married sisters got pregnant right away. That's enough to make you think the odds of it happening to you is pretty high. The second thing is these girls are always surprised they get pregnant. Josie's surprised. Erin was surprised all four pregnancies, Alyssa was surprised all three pregnancies, Tori was surprised, Carlin was surprised.  Every Duggar daughter and daughter-in-law was surprised. They are never not surprised by a pregnancy.

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Some of these girls have nice life styles that they did not have growing up. Alyssa, Josie and Whitney have their own homes. I don't know about Carlin. They manage to take weekend trips with their spouses and Alyssa talks about date night and girl's night out. They have stylish clothes and are able to dress their children well. They are smart enough to know that if the babies continue to come every year or two a lot of what they are enjoying now could go away. Especially since none of these women plan on working at anything other than some home based project. They are pretty much competely financially dependent on their spouses. So I have a feeling that after 3 or 4 babies they'll decide to limit the size of the family. Erin might not. 

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Erin, IMO, appears to be obsessed with pregnancy/babies and Chad being the "aw shucks" fundie believer will continue to produce regardless if he can afford or not.  

Tori didn't appear to me to be all that thrilled with pregnancy and motherhood.  So not sure why they insist on pregnancy after pregnancy.

Allysa not sure why they continue to get pregnant with her health issues unless they are actively trying for a boy.  But they both seem more than willing to work to support the number of kids.

Josie although as expected got pregnant right away is kind of private like Alyssa and I haven't seen her much while pregnant and if they really want kid after kid after kid. 

Carlin, I expected to have a baby right off as she likes to be the center of attention. 

 

 

 

 

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On 1/3/2020 at 8:24 PM, 65mickey said:

 They are smart enough to know that if the babies continue to come every year or two a lot of what they are enjoying now could go away. Especially since none of these women plan on working at anything other than some home based project. They are pretty much competely financially dependent on their spouses. 

do you think that's why Bobby has already changed professions, from full time ministry to plumbing?

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On 1/5/2020 at 4:16 PM, LynneH said:

Tori didn't appear to me to be all that thrilled with pregnancy and motherhood.  So not sure why they insist on pregnancy after pregnancy.

Tori never looks thrilled about anything. Many of her siblings say that she loves children and wants a lot of them. She supposedly majored in education because of her love for children. Never mind that Crown has about four programs for women, including music ministry, education, business (secretarial) and cosmetology. 

Looking back at some of the older episodes, I can see that she is not quite as vocal about it as Michaela, but she is often seen holding a baby or interacting with a toddler more than the others. Maybe she really is a baby person but doesn't show that softer side on camera well? So far the only thing I've seen her overly happy about was the apartment in Hendersonville. 

Josie and Erin actually seemed less enthusiastic about childcare growing up. Erin was always shown more interested in her music and less invested in cleaning, cooking, etc. In the episode where Gil and Kelly are at Niagara Falls, Josie seems annoyed to have to feed and teach her younger siblings when Tori is sick. Maybe it was just a bad day. I'd probably be annoyed too that my parents made all these kids and go on vacay without them. 

Now that Erin is married, she's all about the babies. I don't know if it was a hidden desire of hers or if she simply is living up to appearances. She is very much like Kelly Jo and even Michelle Duggar in that she seems to thrive on that attention she gets from being pregnant. That whole thing where she was so insistent that everyone be there for her to give birth to Everly and was demanding they find Tori and Bobby who wouldn't come to the door screamed attention seeking. 

Alyssa and Josie seem much more private about it and don't seem to want neon signs pointing at their bellies. Alyssa doesn't allow cameras in the delivery room and Josie did not allow filming per her IG. I wonder how the show will address that with Josie. 

 

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