S05.E16: End of the Line

[nodorothyparker]

Airdate 2019.09.29

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Facing an unknown future, Morgan leads the group on a mission; Al puts the pieces together; John and June make a promise.

[ShellsandCheese]

This show really is just awful. Seriously, the first two seasons were at least interesting and had some great locations. The third season tried, but the last two seasons have just been awful. Ginny is not a good villain. 

[SimoneS]

Wait so Morgan is dead. Lennie James is done with the show? The showrunners are playing coy so who knows. 

The show is barely decent with all the characters together. I can't imagine how painful it will be with them split up living with their version of the Saviors.

Edited September 30, 2019 by SimoneS

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Morgan really going out like that?

[SamBeckett]

What I said earlier on the Spoilers page, and I still stand by it :

Maybe, just maybe — though unlikely — TPTB has clued in to what the rest of the world has seemingly clued into: Morgan (no offense to the actor) sucks as a leader; there are too many characters; and there is no real baddie. Maybe, just maybe, TPTB will do something about one or all of those (and others). Hopefully, though it’s unlikely, they won’t screw it up as they have the last few times.

Interestingly, one critic out there recently wished TPTB would give us what was originally promised — the early days of the apocalypse. I’d sign up for that.

[DrNowsWeightScale]

They separated Skidmark the cat from his pet human, not okay.

At least June and John got married.

... but Ginny forces them to separate later (Why? What is her rationale about forcing most of Morgan's group to split up?)

So Grace is pregnant. Hmm.

They're supposed to do a 'Talking Dead' in about an hour.

I wonder if Hardwick will have the showrunner (I think one of the showrunners is going to be a guest) to address all the hate tweets he and the other guy have been getting from show fans, and the fan petition demanding he be replaced?

Well, they didn't actually show Morgan getting killed -like with Madison, so maybe he'll be back next season.

That was one mostly lousy season, with a lot of odd stuff or aimless storylines. There was also a lot of boring filler content.

One of the few good things about the last two seasons (IMO) is John Dorie. Great character, but they do little with him.

I will tune in next season, but I hope they fix things by then.

Edited September 30, 2019 by DrNowsWeightScale

[FishyJoe]

Why are they more concerned about painting trees and leaving boxes of free stuff than defending themselves? They risk their lives clearing this new place. Then after losing their refinery, they do the exact same thing and leave the place practically defenseless. Not only that, they leave their swat van to be used against them. These people are so stupid they don't deserve to be on their own. 

[Ohwell]

I only saw the last 15 minutes (was watching Poldark instead) but I had to laugh when Virginia said something about not liking Morgan's face.  I'd rather look at him all day than to look at her moopey face and that nose for five minutes.  She had some nerve!

[nodorothyparker]

Ye gods, what a mess of an episode.

Morgan's a good guy, and he was a compelling character initially on the mother show, but they've really really run his all life is precious, we don't kill even when it's somebody who really really needs killing for our own self preservation thing into the ground on this show.  And now we see where it's gotten him and everyone who followed him. If this is truly it for the character, he goes out looking foolish being killed by a late addition character who almost manages to make Negan look palatable.  The actor and the character deserved better.  Your people are being separated at gunpoint, including a newly married couple and a guy and his cat, and you still seriously think this is someone to whom you can appeal to their better nature?  You had one halfway decent idea with the zombie herd that might have meant saving everyone, but not until after you'd immediately already thrown in the towel and then you immediately chuck it again to doom everybody for the sake of one person instead of taking a shot.  But hey, more painting and wedding dresses all around!

I don't think my laughing at the ridiculousness of "I'm radioactive and probably dying," "oh wait, I'm pregnant," was the reaction they were going for with Grace. It also retroactively makes June using the imaging equipment and then admitting she has no idea what she was doing or looking for all the funnier since the bad guys could apparently diagnose a pregnancy in the car.
 

[econ07]

So they'll separate these character into different sites for at least half of the next season, but they overestimate our desire to see any of them get back together (except maybe John and June).

[oakville]

1 hour ago, MrsRafaelBarba said:

Morgan really going out like that?

I think he has a job on a show in the UK. He is an amazing actor stuck with very poor material on this show. I remember how good he was on the CBS show Jericho.

[oakville]

The show should stop having walkers killing horses or any other animals. It sucks. My Pugs were watching the show with me & wouldn't stop barking during that scene.

[BasilSeal]

5 hours ago, DrNowsWeightScale said:

but Ginny forces them to separate later (Why? What is her rationale about forcing most of Morgan's group to split up?)

Virginia's motivation for splitting the group up is to break their spirit and neutralise them as an opposing force, all together in one place they'd be a threat to her authority, as individuals they will be more inclined to have to tow the line and be cowed by the climate of fear she engenders in her own organisation. Why she's so keen to take them on in the first place is another matter, obviously she would want the resource they controlled in the form of the oil fields, but she could have just left them to get on with things once she'd got that. Possibly she wanted to remove the possibility they could act to try and stop her, because they disapprove of her pragmatic methods, also she may well have realised that the most precious resource of all is people, particularly people with particular skills, in order to rebuild civilisation, you need people with specialist knowledge and skills.

6 hours ago, DrNowsWeightScale said:

Well, they didn't actually show Morgan getting killed -like with Madison, so maybe he'll be back next season.

first rule of the apocalypse, as stated by Murphy in Z nation: "if you didn't see them die, then they're not dead."

I would thin much depends on whether Lennie James wishes to continue as the key actor in this series, this ending give us a shocking moment to close the season on, but also leaves things open for Morgan's miraculous rescue. i think they'll keep us guessing on this for a while and we won't see morgan for a while if he does come back at all, but i think it's possible that he will survive, (same's true for Madison as well really)

Morgan speaking on the walkie, unsure that anyone is listening, brings things full circle to when rick was talking to morgan over a dead walkie in order to keep himself sanein season 1 of TWD. With Rick, we learn that Morgan couldn't hear him, and in this case non of morgan's friends are free to help him, but i think the most likely outcome if he survives is that someone else hears him and comes to his aid.

6 hours ago, DrNowsWeightScale said:

That was one mostly lousy season, with a lot of odd stuff or aimless storylines. There was also a lot of boring filler content.

I quite liked it actually. It's a different show to TWD, but that's how it should be, we wouldn't want this to just be TWD with different (and some of the same) people in it. TWD tends to be more about the raw visceral kill or be killed aspect of survival in the zombie apocalypse, where as fTWD deals with the more human aspects of what it means to have survived, often at the expense of others. I think over all it's a more intelligent and thoughtful show, and one that presents a more hopeful and positive vision of the future.

[Haleth]

Ugh.  I forgot to set the dvr and reading this I'm not sure I want to bother looking on demand.  If Morgan is dead I probably won't continue watching next season.  I'm not sure I am interested in the mothership anymore either.  

[ratSenoL]

Was Lenny James on Talking Dead? If not, then Morgan's not dead, right?! 

Maybe Sherry saves him ...

I'm not sure I care anymore.

[nodorothyparker]

2 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

The only smart thing said this entire episode was when Victor was talking about taking them down from the inside.   He is absolutely correct.

Of course they were going to separate the married couple.   It was so predictable.

Dwight should have run off with the horses and just monitored the situation.   But no, he has to be as soft as a marshmallow and come back with the horses causing one of them to get eaten.

I did like Daniel and Strand briefly debating the wisdom of going along with the cosplay crew to work from the inside vs. Daniel correctly pegging that nothing about them added up to anything good.  But I like Daniel and Strand when the writers remember to write them as Daniel the guy who's seen and done some Really Bad Things and responds accordingly and Strand the opportunist who's always looking out for No. 1.  The show has barely remembered who either character is this season or Strand since the reboot and has been all the poorer for it.

The best thing they could have done once the white water walker adventure went sideways was take the horses and get out of there to regroup.  Hang back and watch the cowboy cosplay crew and see what they do and where they take your people instead of dumbly going back and waiting to be collected like bugs in a jar where you can't hope to help anybody.  But they were already screwed once they decided they were going to piss away their one shot by calling off the great walker roundup because of Luciana, another character who hasn't seemed to have any purpose since the reboot and did more or less choose to stay with these clowns for the greater good, rather than accept that sometimes you can't save everybody and do have to make those hard choices for the bigger picture.  And that was after they initially screwed themselves by giving up and calling for help 30 seconds after they hit a setback they couldn't magic themselves out of by just insisting they were good guys who help people over and over.

[alrightythen]

I thought Ginny agreed to Morgan's terms to not break up the group.  Then they all came in and broke up the group.  Huh?  What did I miss?  Eh.  By that point I just wanted the show to be over.  I only started caring at the end when it looked like Morgan might die.  If he does, I'm done.  I was excited about Dwight joining the show, but he's sappy and bland on here.  The writing is not good.

I don't like it when shows become all about the villain bullying everyone.  TWD did this with Negan for 2 seasons.  All attempts to thwart said bully end up in failure, making them look inept and weak... episode after episode.  It becomes a joke after a while, and you end up hating the characters.  This is the apocalypse for chrissakes.  You didn't survive this long by cowering.  I wanna see innovation and cojones.

[OoohMaggie]

"Hey, nice horses Dwight, you didn't think to load some food and water on the damn things before you came back?" After all these years, they're still making us watch these ridiculous moments of 'danger' and 'terror', an intelligent person on a strong healthy horse somehow manages to get surrounded by shuffling idiots, again, seriously?

What exactly were they thinking of doing with the herd? Oh! damn, there's a herd of walkers, what are we going to do, sat in our vehicles? how about just driving around them, through them or backing up.

That was the best place to put an 'apparently' very sick person, on a horse going towards a possible conflict, she was shielding her eyes from the sun, yet once again nobody thought to cover her head, shame on you John Dorie for not offering a lady your hat.

Surely the way they were being treated would have given these experienced people a severe cause for concern, folding in the first place was pretty pathetic, but being pushed around as they were should have got some at least, escaping or trying to. I've got a feeling that Daniel may be the one saving Morgan.

I don't really get the whole Gulch history, apparently there was a battle between the residents and Cal Jane & Co, some of the residents were killed and some of hers, so why did the survivors just stay where they were, until it appears that they all just died? 

Why didn't whinnying Ginny just pick up her own weapon and finish Morgan? instead she pulled a gun from a corpse, why would it still be there after the battle? The ammo was fritzed despite there not being a spec of rust on the weapon.

So Morgan can now move 'faster than trigger finger', Eastman the Cheesemaker would be so proud!

The question now is who will be coming to Morgan's salvation? They better make it quick, he's not dying, not like that, I think it's yet another example of the 'fake' terror that they expect us to swallow.

[OoohMaggie]

12 hours ago, DrNowsWeightScale said:

... but Ginny forces them to separate later (Why? What is her rationale about forcing most of Morgan's group to split up?)

The old adage of 'divide and conquer' is behind her beliefs.

[OoohMaggie]

3 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

BTW, there was a lot of open space and very few walkers

But 'renta-herd' were there once again, to provide the contrived threat to the show's main character, does anybody believe that Morgan is going to die, being eaten on the steps of a fake church in a second rate tourist attraction?

[atiyah9369]

11 hours ago, oakville said:

I think he has a job on a show in the UK. He is an amazing actor stuck with very poor material on this show. I remember how good he was on the CBS show Jericho.

Loved him on Jericho!

[SimoneS]

12 hours ago, oakville said:

I think he has a job on a show in the UK. He is an amazing actor stuck with very poor material on this show. I remember how good he was on the CBS show Jericho.

Yes, Lennie James has a British series, Save Me. It is only six episodes. I am sure FTWD pays hella more. Lennie James is such a talented actor that I am just glad to have him on my screen even if the show can be dreck at times.

[Gobi]

34 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

But 'renta-herd' were there once again, to provide the contrived threat to the show's main character, does anybody believe that Morgan is going to die, being eaten on the steps of a fake church in a second rate tourist attraction?

Wasn't there a dumpster nearby?

[nodorothyparker]

Jericho was my introduction to Lennie James.  Years and years ago on the mother show boards I listed Hawkins, his character on that show, as one of my top fictional picks of who I would want on my ZA team.  The man was smart and uber competent and kept a spare nuclear weapon in the tool shed out back, after all.

I love the actor, but the character has sometimes been hard to watch endlessly cycling between crazy kill 'em all and unable to be at all practical when someone really just needed killing.

[Gobi]

6 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

Jericho was my introduction to Lennie James.  Years and years ago on the mother show boards I listed Hawkins, his character on that show, as one of my top fictional picks of who I would want on my ZA team.  The man was smart and uber competent and kept a spare nuclear weapon in the tool shed out back, after all.

I love the actor, but the character has sometimes been hard to watch endlessly cycling between crazy kill 'em all and unable to be at all practical when someone really just needed killing.

The only other thing that I've seen him in is Snatch, a very funny English comedy about a jewel theft with an ensemble cast.

[Iguessnot]

I don't know how Morgan can possibly be saved. But I'm only going to miss him because there was just a flash of his old self. The self doubting, save everyone even scoundrels Morgan that took on leadership, was a failure.

The whole business of the horse being overtaken by walkers was again, silly. Just gallop away.

The juxtaposition of our group calmly crossing the river and the raging rapids that swept away the walkers was kinda funny.

[Gobi]

3 minutes ago, Iguessnot said:

The whole business of the horse being overtaken by walkers was again, silly. Just gallop away.

I am always nonplussed at how easy shambling zombies are able to overtake animals. I wonder if any of the writers has tried to catch a dog that didn't want to be caught, for example.

[FishyJoe]

The crazy thing is that the kids seemed to have the smartest living habitat in the history of the show. 

[econ07]

29 minutes ago, Gobi said:

I am always nonplussed at how easy shambling zombies are able to overtake animals. I wonder if any of the writers has tried to catch a dog that didn't want to be caught, for example.

An athletic NFL player couldn't even catch a chicken.  How are decrepit walkers going to catch a horse.

).

[OoohMaggie]

35 minutes ago, Gobi said:

I wonder if any of the writers has tried to catch a dog that didn't want to be caught,

What about chickens? And they've only got two legs, but are delicious coated in 11 herbs and spices, although i've never tried the Korean KFD, 🐶

'it's only a joke, no hate mail please' 

Edited September 30, 2019 by OoohMaggie

[OoohMaggie]

1 hour ago, Iguessnot said:

I don't know how Morgan can possibly be saved.

Somebody has to step out of the shadows and rescue his sorry arse, this is what you get for carrying a stick instead of a handgun, do both by all means, but just a stick is going to land you in this predicament. So who's it going to be? I've said Daniel, but that many Shufflers that close, it's probably going to need to be Dorie with his trick shot capabilities. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with, although might not be entirely believable.

Edited September 30, 2019 by OoohMaggie

[Iguessnot]

8 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

Somebody has to step out of the shadows and rescue his sorry arse, this is what you get for carrying a stick instead of a handgun, do both by all means, but just a stick is going to land you in this predicament. So who's it going to be? I've said Daniel, but that many Shufflers that close, it's probably going to need to be Dorie with his trick shot capabilities. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with, although might not be exactly believable.

I didn't note if anyone wasn't shown being rounded up. Additionally Morgan, needs to be intubated, surgery etc. and that's not happening.

Of course they could have a stupid helicopter rescue him because we know helicopters are the silent and invisible aircraft of the apocalypse. Shoot Grace got a full gyno exam and results in about one minute. Anything's possible.

[BasilSeal]

1 hour ago, OoohMaggie said:

So who's it going to be? I've said Daniel, but that many Shufflers that close, it's probably going to need to be Dorie with his trick shot capabilities. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with, although might not be entirely believable.

He's talking on the walkie, which both gives a symmetry with Rick talking to him on a walkie back in the first season, but also raises the possibility that someone else is listening and may turn up to help him, possibly having been inspired by watching Al's tape.

[OoohMaggie]

39 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

What I don't understand is after three months, how could she not know she is pregnant?

She's obviously a sharp cookie, and being no expert on the subject I would have agreed with your comments, lets see how they deal with this situation.

[BasilSeal]

5 hours ago, alrightythen said:

I thought Ginny agreed to Morgan's terms to not break up the group.  Then they all came in and broke up the group

IIRC she agree to take everyone, including the elderly sick and disabled, not just the able bodied ones with skills

5 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

I don't really get the whole Gulch history, apparently there was a battle between the residents and Cal Jane & Co, some of the residents were killed and some of hers, so why did the survivors just stay where they were, until it appears that they all just died? 

I think Al suggest there was some sort of big battle where everyone is killed including the 5 riders whose horses are still conveniently wandering round the area with their saddles on long after their erstwhile owners have turned and decomposed.

49 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

When Grace had the conversation with Morgan about the person she had gotten "intimate" with in her not too distant past, that should have put the idea in my head that she was pregnant, and not dying.

My guess was that she'd been poisoned somehow to trick morgan into an unforced error by trying to save her, hadn't seen the pregnancy thing coming but it wasn't signposted until right at the end, i didn't think she'd be dying though, that's why she didn't take the tests in the shopping mall, i thought it was a misdirect of some kind but i was over thinking it.

[OoohMaggie]

9 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

I've "stepped in it" on more than one occasion which I have regretted.  Nice to see someone else head down that path for a change.

I'm not sure what you meant by "stepped in it" but if you mean making a joke, then I have no regrets about anything I've written, it's either funny or not, depending upon who reads it,

[SamBeckett]

It's interesting. I am connected to Maggie Grace on Instagram yet she has posted almost nothing this season. Unlike last season. There has been a noticeable drop-off in her FWTD comments. True, she is just ONE of the actors.

[OoohMaggie]

27 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

When Morgan swung his stick  (man that sounds dirty) I thought he hit Virginia's gun, damaging it.   That is why she went to pick up a different gun.

I thought he hit her across the face, the revolver should have been perfectly useable, but this is make believe land after all.

[SamBeckett]

One other thought: If anyone was able to "sneak back" and rescue money, it'd be Lucianna. I saw her as they were loading up everyone, but Ginny's men seemed to be giving her some leeway. Maybe in her short time with them, she gained their trust to where they don't watch her as closely. I can't see Ginny making that mistake. But logic and this show are not close friends.

When Morgan struck Ginny with his stick, her gun went clattering on the ground. It seemed as though she lost sight of where it went. It was night and she had been struck in the face near her eye, so her vision was off.

[OoohMaggie]

5 minutes ago, SamBeckett said:

It's interesting. I am connected to Maggie Grace on Instagram yet she has posted almost nothing this season. Unlike last season. There has been a noticeable drop-off in her FWTD comments. True, she is just ONE of the actors.

Is it possible that she might be seeing things through the eyes of the average fan? And realising that the average fan is not best pleased with what they've been shown this season?

[SamBeckett]

Just now, OoohMaggie said:

Is it possible that she might be seeing things through the eyes of the average fan? And realising that the average fan is not best pleased with what they've been shown this season?

I don't know many actors who refuse to read reviews of their work. I have no idea how popular this Primetimer blog (or whatever it's called) is. But we are all aware that the press this year, particularly Forbes (which is a big deal), has been absolutely savage to the show, right down to pointing a finger at Morgan (NOT the actor!!!) as well as other common complaints that have been listed here by many people. (A headline for a recent article: FWTD Is Better Off Cancelled.)

[OoohMaggie]

8 minutes ago, SamBeckett said:

I don't know many actors who refuse to read reviews of their work. I have no idea how popular this Primetimer blog (or whatever it's called) is.

Some actors say they don't read reviews, some say they do, I don't believe any of them, but when a consistent pattern of behaviour changes, then there must be a reason, is an actor really going to bite the hand that is feeding them lobster and the finest champagne?

[DrNowsWeightScale]

13 hours ago, BasilSeal said:

Point 1 -

Virginia's motivation for splitting the group up is to break their spirit and neutralise them as an opposing force, all together in one place they'd be a threat to her authority, as individuals they will be more inclined to have to tow the line and be cowed by the climate of fear she engenders in her own organisation. 

I kind of assumed those may be some of her reasons, yes, but I don't think the show itself spelled it out or explained it?

Point 2 -

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I quite liked it actually. It's a different show to TWD, but that's how it should be, we wouldn't want this to just be TWD with different (and some of the same) people in it. TWD tends to be more about the raw visceral kill or be killed aspect of survival in the zombie apocalypse, where as fTWD deals with the more human aspects of what it means to have survived, often at the expense of others. I think over all it's a more intelligent and thoughtful show, and one that presents a more hopeful and positive vision of the future.

I've said as much on previous threads. 

I like the fact this show isn't trying to duplicate all aspects of TWD, but, I think while the intent has been good, the execution has been lacking.

We end up with a lot of boring or filler content and bizarre choices by characters or choices that are never explicitly laid out but took place off screen.

I appreciate that Fear is trying to offer us a group of more hopeful and less sad-sack Negative Nancies than the original show, but I don't think they're quite carrying it off successfully.

I was okay with season 4, but 5 has gone downhill pretty bad.

Edited September 30, 2019 by DrNowsWeightScale

[DrNowsWeightScale]

Some more thoughts I had about the show. Some are minor.

I notice that John asked June what her favorite color was, and she said green, so presumably, he found that green dress for her to wear. But on my television set, it looked like it was a sky blue color.

While the painting on trees story line was hokey, I did like in last night's episode that Alicia and that guy (forget his name) were painting the area above the entrance of the barn where the wedding was. The show writers were at least tying it in later.

I enjoyed watching the zombies get carried on down the river, when they were following June and John Dorie on the horses.

Last night's episode did not go over well with a lot of professional tv show reviewers.

Some links:

Fear Fails to Learn from The Walking Dead’s Worst Cliffhangers

The Many, Many Problems With The Nonsensical ‘Fear The Walking Dead’ Finale

‘Fear The Walking Dead’ Season 5 Finale Review: The Dead Should Win

The Many Missteps Of Fear the Walking Dead Season 5

[oakville]

Did anyone watch Talking Dead last night ? The two writers seemed to be very happy with Season 5 and did not address any of the fans concerns about the show.

[OoohMaggie]

22 hours ago, Gobi said:

The only other thing that I've seen him in is Snatch, a very funny English comedy about a jewel theft with an ensemble cast.

Don't try a stickup using a gun with replica written on the side! 😆

Edited October 1, 2019 by OoohMaggie

[OoohMaggie]

4 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

No, others reading something that I typed that was taken to such an extreme extent that wasn't intended when I typed it.   Some times the words that I use create a tone  that wasn't intended.  That is on me.  I have to do better.  

As English humour and mine in particular can be heavily sarcasm / irony based, I had a few 'moments' myself, mainly in my early days on the old AMC forum. Not only is that type of humour difficult to convey in written form, I also had the fact that I was dealing mainly with folk from the US / CAN, where that type of humour can easily be taken as if it were meant seriously. I think I've got things pretty well sorted now, but we all have the odd slip-up now and again.

4 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

The writers are the ones that would make the changes.   An actor would have to have a lot of juice in order to change character development.

I was referring, not very clearly, to the change in 'Al's' use of social media that SamBeckett was mentioning, that because something you're a part of is getting roundly pounded, you might be keeping your head down for a bit. You're absolutely right, the actors shouldn't be the ones getting the abuse, but I have to wonder exactly what, if anything is said by the actors when they sit down for those table reading exercises.

For example, the Dwight on horse getting swamped scene, I think we all agree that it was a laughable event, so doesn't anyone say anything when they're going through the scripts? The silliness would stand out more when they're doing a live rehearsal, wouldn't the actor be saying hey guys, I've survived nine years of the ZA, i'm not stupid, and neither is the horse by the way, so to suggest that we'd end up in this situation is insulting me, the horse and the audience. Obviously diplomacy would come in here, as I said you aren't going to bite the hand holding the $$$.

When watching some of the shockers that 'Rick' has been involved in, and he's the top dog, you do have to wonder if they just sit there saying, yes sir, no sir, whatever you say sir!

Edited October 1, 2019 by OoohMaggie

[OoohMaggie]

16 hours ago, DrNowsWeightScale said:

sad-sack Negative Nancies

🤣

[alrightythen]

12 hours ago, oakville said:

Did anyone watch Talking Dead last night ? The two writers seemed to be very happy with Season 5 and did not address any of the fans concerns about the show.

I did, and it was the usual tongue bath to the writers.  No way would Hardwick ever read any negative comments on air.

[MrPissyPuppy]

2 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

You're absolutely right, the actors shouldn't be the ones getting the abuse, but I have to wonder exactly what, if anything is said by the actors when they sit down for those table reading exercises.

For example, the Dwight on horse getting swamped scene, I think we all agree that it was a laughable event, so doesn't anyone say anything when they're going through the scripts? The silliness would stand out more when they're doing a live rehearsal, wouldn't the actor be saying hey guys, I've survived nine years of the ZA, i'm not stupid, and neither is the horse by the way, so to suggest that we'd end up in this situation is insulting me, the horse and the audience. Obviously diplomacy would come in here, as I said you aren't going to bite the hand holding the $$$.

When watching some of the shockers that 'Rick' has been involved in, and he's the top dog, you do have to wonder if they just sit there saying, yes sir, no sir, whatever you say sir!

Probably.   If it's like a lot of jobs I've had/have, it doesn't really matter what you say/think - the powers that be are going to do what they want even if the peons know it's a really bad idea.   Run your mouth and you wind up eaten by zombies or something.   

I think that Alycia Debnam-Carey should run from this franchise while she can.  

As far as Talking Dead, it's very interesting that none of the leads appeared on the finale.