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Sofia Coppola wrote kind words about the Shannon twins along with a photo series of them in her book. I had forgotten how pretty they were. Or maybe I never really noticed because I found them annoying on tv?

I know we’re all so shocked by this news

I can’t wait to see this one. I’m curious how they’ll handle her story given their treatment of her.

It seems like everyone, everywhere did. I wonder if the world would be kinder to them now? While the character was absolutely annoying the major criticism always seemed to be the nudity.

I’m behind a few episodes but so far I still feel the same. They’re doing super condensed rush jobs of cases that have not only had better shows dedicated to them but a lot is left out. A few times I’ve felt Holly’s commentary was unnecessary. For example the Dr Amie episode. The time she spent talking about all of their shared interests, how she wishes they could have been friends that time would have been better dedicated to talking about Dr Amie as a person. From the Dateline/48 hours shows dedicated to the case along with social media you can tell she meant a lot to so many people from all walks of life. Of course it’s Holly’s show though. Every time I see a photo of Laurie Bembeneck, I expect to hear Bill Kurtis’ voice. I’m sad she never got to have the justice or healing she deserved. I said it on the housewives forums too many times over the years but Jeana is gorgeous. In her heyday she should have had more of a career.

Crystal’s upbringing was similar to Kendra’s. Her Father died, unstable home environments, trauma. I’m not sure Holly has? Potentially for legal reasons. I think the show was still filming when his legal issues began. Hugs to you!

I do recommend it. It’s different than the others mostly because she focuses more on herself, her own feelings as opposed to slinging dirt. She does spill some interesting things. She has a similar story to almost everyone else who ended up at the mansion. Broken girl desperate to feel safe and have a home. Even the Disney love is a common theme in their lives. Crystal was accused of copying Holly even by Holly herself but it’s genuine. I think it’s from trauma, not having a proper childhood. Crystal lacked stability so she found comfort in fairytales. Yeah, the complex issue is all of the things can be true and most likely are. Hef could have saved Kendra’s life by pulling her out of poverty, nothingness but she has also paid the price for it in many other ways. Holly and Bridget could’ve thought Kendra was having the time of her life while she was just as miserable as they were. RealHousewife, I am so sorry you went though that. I’m a message away if you ever need anything.

The Yagalla case is interesting. Hopefully the 48 hours episode is still available? It’s called Playing With Fire. Here’s the original Philadelphia magazine article which was the first piece I remember reading about the case. http://www.thebillionairesvinegar.com/selected_work/yagalla.pdf I read Mark Yagalla’s book. I feel like he was a mess waiting to happen whether he met Sandy or not. Her lack of conscience is insane. I’m still very mixed on the show. As others have noted some of the Playboy connections are stretched such as Victoria’s episode. Others there is too much to cram in to a 40 minute episode. Many are cases that other shows have done a much more thorough job dissecting.

I finished Crystal’s book this morning. I don’t even know where to begin to talk about it. All of these women have a unique shared experience that only they understand.

Is anyone else watching this? I did not like the first episode of S2. The problem for me was they seemed to gloss over and do a super condensed rush job on a case that had a lot of twists, turns. Dateline, 20/20 did much better jobs on the story. This case had too much to shove in to a 40 minute episode. I feel like a few episodes could have been devoted to the case. Just the Bentley Twins shenanigans alone could be a series. I really hope this case is solved someday. The victims and their families deserve justice. For Girls Next Door fans, those who remember the old forms, gossip:

I think the twins’ defining trait was they are twins. That was enough to Hef. That’s how I see Crystal when I see old clips of her. Nervous, insecure, unhappy, blank and at times scared. On the Runaway Bride special she looks scared.

Is anyone watching her YouTube videos? The cooking videos are giving off bubbly S1 Teresa.

It was an interesting listen. Jill seems to have grown a lot.

There’s probably more to that than we’ll know because they were close, off camera friends and hung out a lot.

What’s crazy is the info in those tweets was in two other books years before Kendra said it. But she was going to defend Hef no matter what. Personally I thought that era of Holly bashing between the tweets and the fake book signing confrontation were less about Hef but more about content for her second show that was on its last legs. She was really grasping at straws there. I’m not sure how much of season 6 I watched but there’s no replacing the original 3. Some of the bunny house girls I thought had potential for their own shows/spin offs. I feel bad typing this but Crystal came off so blank to me on the show, vacant like nothing was there behind the pretty face. Was Claire Sinclair on Season 6 or just the bunny house stuff? She was really great on Holly’s World S2 to the point I would’ve liked to see her own show, adventures in Vegas. I saw her perform in the Calendar Girl show, it was cute.

I know I’ve said it a million times on here but I think Kendra’s greatest mistake was riding the reality tv wave too long instead of turning her hobbies and interests in to a profitable business. I also believe not healing herself, doing the necessary self work plus all the manufactured drama simply to stay on tv did a lot of damage. I wish she had stayed with the fitness path, got certified, expanded upon her workout videos. Exactly. I know Holly has investments, a RE portfolio but it is amusing how things circled back around to the mansion life. For a long time she didn’t want to talk about it, tried to do everything she could to break away now it’s her livelihood. Which is her right to do. Now that Kendra wants to move away from it all, seeing how they’re treating her is kind of sad. She deserves the same space for growth and empathy that they both allowed themselves to have. I’ve heard Holly discuss trauma, mental health on other podcasts so I don’t know how she can’t look back on everything and not have a little empathy for Kendra’s situation given how much damage, trauma they all know she carried. It’s like oh Bridget can move on. I can move on. Let’s keep Kendra in the annoying 19 year old box.

Sad that this isn’t being given another chance. I really enjoyed it.

Years ago on Larry King Live she was asked about smoking and said her lawyer told her not to answer any questions about it. During the original SATC run, I saw her smoking outside a theatre with Matthew during intermission. I was more surprised to see how they blended in with everyone else than the actual smoking. She’s tiny in person.

Thank you! I keep getting behind on shows then by the time I want to talk about them the boards have moved on. It’s difficult because at the end of the day Holly, Bridget weren’t without their own entitlements too. You saw how Holly was over the car situation in the book then left out that the hand me down was replaced with a series of customized Porsches. We’ve discussed it in this thread before but whether they were in the mean girl group or not, every woman who lived in that home had a shared experience that only they understand. As annoying as Kendra could be she recognized the game and played it with gratitude. Also the me who has had therapy also looks back on this and wonders why they didn’t do more? I’m not saying she would’ve listened. But why didn’t they approach her, her situation from an angle of empathy instead of being snarky. I know I’m all over the place. That’s the problem with this situation. A lot of different truths from different angles. Another issue I’ve noticed is despite the passage of time, Holly mostly and Bridget too still comes from a place of defensiveness. I think some healing and self work really needs to happen. As for you RH, you’re going to be okay. You need some confidence to push yourself out there for the life you want. It’s hard but I know you can do it.

Probably. Or maybe even on the old boards.

My phone isn’t allowing me to find the post but I wasn’t surprised by any of the news. We had a poster on here who I hope is still here, Are you out there? post about her casino habits years ago. I think some thought it was preposterous but it seemed on brand.

I’m with you on the Holly outside of Playboy stuff. I even loved her old blog where she’d post recipes, fun things. Then when she joined YouTube, I love all the Disney, Beauty, general life stuff. I wish she’d talk more about her Vegas life. She really was great in Peepshow. It’s very weird. I know Playmate lost its cache a long time ago but it’s so weird it’s not a thing anymore.

I am way behind on episodes but I do listen. I love Pam. I also really like Stacy Burke. She witnessed so much at the mansion they could have her on 50 times. She’s a good person who has had a very hard life. I asked a friend recently who used to love Kendra what the appeal was. Her response was that Kendra was more real about herself, about the situation. Kendra was in awe of everything. She didn’t act pretentious or above certain things like the others. She saw life with Hef as winning the golden ticket. Stripping in San Diego, living in an apartment you hate with a guy you don’t see a future with, crystal meth, driving a run down car versus living in a mansion, brand new Escalade of your dreams, access to things in life you never thought were possible? She won the lottery. I’ve said before on here and I’ll always one hundred percent believe her when she says Hef saved her life. By choosing her, as gross as it all is he pulled her out of what would’ve been a sad, dead end existence. She was vocal about Hef saving her life. She had a gratitude that it felt like the others didn’t. The issue often overlooked is that while Bridget and Kendra never wanted to marry him the way Holly did, Holly always glosses over the fact she was there for the perks too. She wanted to be famous. She saw the mansion as her break. She tends to gloss over certain issues. Hef was her meal ticket too. He paid for her Porsches, cosmetic surgery, Louis Vuitton, French lessons. Unless it’s for ego I don’t know why she keeps trying to separate herself as if she wasn’t there for the same reasons. I also don’t believe Holly has accomplished the level of growth she wants us all to believe she has.

I’ll always be sad this was cancelled. Isn’t she truly? I know violence is wrong but I wish Julie, Juliet or Adela or all three had punched her.

There’s a lot of it several pages back. 🤗