Talented Tenth

The party looked beautiful and the cast members all commented on how fabulous it was. I'm sure production had a hand in Erika performing as a set up for her residency show. I think Kyle's look would have been better with different hair. Even though Sutton and Kyle claim to be friends, they both at times do not act like friends to each other with the way they talk behind each other's backs and the way they approach each other. They are true frenemies. I think Dorit is gone after this season. She doesn't have a real connection to anyone at this point besides maybe Erika and they seem like work friends. Dorit has been skating and didn't bring much this season. I think Annemarie is also a one and done. The husband's rape allegations just before her debut were already a cloud and then she put the nail in the coffin with her esophagus bullshit.

At the reunion, Robyn expressed that it's not a good idea for a married man to be alone with a woman in a hotel room. The subtext was that the optics weren't good and there would be no issue had it not happened. She did not insinuate that Chris had bad intentions. I don't consider her reunions statements as incongruent with what she said during the season. The issue with Wendy is that she "made up" with Robyn but went on to laugh at the cheating rumors the next season and talked shit just like Candiace. How do they expect to be friends with Robyn while simultaneously displaying behavior of an enemy? Gizelle is the root of all of the division but since she's the face of the show, she's not going anywhere. I think the only way to fix it is for Gizelle to apologize to Wendy and Candiace for playing with their marriages. It will be unfair if they get rid of other people due to the mess that Gizelle has caused.

I think most people hesitate to publicly speak on their parents in a negative way. What people tend to do is highlight the positive. I don't like Kathy, but I think she's very image conscious. Regardless of who's right or wrong, Kathy likes to put on a united front to the public which is why she waited for cameras to be down before trashing Kyle and the rest of the cast. Reality tv isn't for Kathy. Stating this with no judgment, Kim is a drug addict which can be difficult to deal with. Kathy can be a nasty and mean woman. She also was accused of racial and gay slurs (three out of 4 children have been caught up in anti-gay, racist scandals). Kyle didn't choose what family to be born into. She seems like the most normal one. Maybe the conflict is due to the issues the others have. Garcelle didn't articulate it in the greatest way, but it's not simply the word; it's engaging with a Black woman and exaggerating what's happening to make the Black woman seem threatening which is where the "Karen" part comes in. Dorit called Garcelle a "bully" in a previous season which is ridiculous. In this past episode, Garcelle didn't "attack" Dorit by accurately stating that she brought up Sutton's make out session to embarrass her in front of the women. Is it possible that Dorit would have said these same things to a white woman in Garcelle's shoes? Perhaps. Garcelle's point is that she wants Dorit to be aware of who she's saying certain things to. Dorit knows not to say Happy Hannukah to people who aren't Jewish, she knows not to ask a sober person out for cocktails and she knows not to offer meat to a vegan. She can also know not to exaggerate and feed into racial discord when engaging with Black women. I don't know that Kyle implied that she puts on a happy face when things aren't happy; just that she doesn't want yelling and screaming in her home. Dealing with conflict doesn't have to be volatile; there can be a calm, rational discussion to sort things out.

The flashback showed that Erika apologized to Denise for the comment so Erika probably did draw a blank as to what Denise was referring to. If that really still is Denise's issue, she didn't articulate it and told Erika to watch the show. Bringing up something now that Erika apologized for years ago seems ridiculous.

Probably because of comments like yours.

"Name 'em" 7 times and refusing to let someone speak while being inebriated isn't handling something "pretty well".

Your discernment is impeccable. Like Wendy Williams used to say, any excuse is better than none. She came up with her "too raunchy" talk to cover up her embarrassment. I will say that Sutton's outfit didn't help. She was dressed like she was going to a gala instead of hip and cool like she wanted to be a part of the show. She's only 52 but dresses much older, conservatively and matronly at times. The other women were showing skin or in skin tight outfits. I can't imagine white pants on the floor and that beaded top pressing into the skin of the dancers.

The "faking" accusations are getting annoying to me. While anything's possible, Kyle is the face of the show, the glue of the show and a staple. She's been in the first chair for years at the reunion. With the exception of Dorit's questionable home invasion, this isn't a cast that has resorted to pulling stunts or having to come up with a "storyline" every year. Their wealth, connections and friendships are the storylines. The major events that we've seen all of these years were things that organically happened. It's implausible and super far-fetched to me that all of a sudden Kyle would fake marriage issues. The viewers have speculated that Mauricio has cheated for years and put so much stock in Allison Dubois but now that things have come to a head based on what people speculated about, it's fake?

I don't believe it was your intention, but this is misleading. You should only put quotation marks around what someone said verbatim. Quotes do not belong around personal interpretations of what someone said. The actual quote is: "I went to the bank. I took out $10,000 so I could have some money for Christmas gifts." I agree with the other poster that the money was the probably the gift. I also think the cash was going to be the gifts.

It's also possible that people can get fed up or that people change. It doesn't mean that things were fake before. Millions of people get married and divorced.

Reply and just delete the entries you don't want to address.

One of my biggest pet peeves in life is illogic, unfairness, contradictions and hypocrisy. Another pet peeve is people having different sets of rules of people based on biases. Kim put Kyle through hell for years and failed to defend her against Camille then Kathy went on Kyle's show and bashed her to a cast member, yet Kyle's the bad guy? After three out of four of Kathy's children were involved in public racist/homophobic scandals and given Kathy's great friendship with a notorious racist homophobe, I side-eyed her from the beginning. She put on her Rose Nylund act (similar to what Paris did for The Simple Life) and some of the viewers fell in love with her. Kathy had appeared on RHOBH in prior years and on multiple failed reality shows with Paris so I was surprised that people thought the dumb blonde thing wasn't schtick.

Sutton and Kyle are not in a good place now. Even if they were in a good place, Teddi is closer to Kyle, Teddi was probably telling the truth and nobody was in needing comfort in that moment, so I'm not sure how that Teddi said about Sutton and Kyle's state at the reunion are comparable. I don't think Kyle wanted them to drop Kathy. I think it annoys her that Kathy talked shit about all of them and they would rather be quiet about it and not comfort Kyle while she was in distress just so they can keep keep getting invited into Kathy's orbit.

Semantics games are so annoying. Just because someone doesn't say something verbatim doesn't mean they weren't expressing it. It's like X saying Y doesn't tell the truth and when Z says X called Y a liar, X responding, "I never said that!". STFU.

I'm convinced they have dirt on people in production or are secretly sleeping with people in production. They are the two most value-less Housewives of all time. I fast-forward all of their solo scenes.

The frustration, hurt and sadness would be irrelevant if you cheated. Certain words have been added but it does say they are slang and/or informal. They are still not considered proper English.

Did I witness weirdo Gabri wipe off dough from a piece of wax or parchment paper on the edge of a trash can then continue to use that same piece to press more dough?

I don't think it's unreasonable for Teresa's brother to be told by himself that there's a plausible allegation of Melissa kissing another man. I think Teresa and Luis think Melissa did it. Your suggestion goes with the assumption that Melissa didn't do it.

Tamra explained the spoofing calls some of the Housewives and Andy get. She said that at some point, someone got contact info of a lot of Bravo people and they would get spoof calls and text messages. The person's phone number had to be their phone and when they would answer no one would be there. They would sporadically get a few calls like that during the month. That's not the same as Margaret's son who has nothing to do with the show getting a call on a private line and actually speaking to someone who threatened him. Luis wouldn't do something that stupid? He said twice on camera that Bo looked into all of the cast then had to backpedal on WWHL. Bo had to save face by releasing more than one statement. Luis saying the cast was investigated is causing all sorts of issue and might even put Teresa in jeopardy. That seems pretty stupid to me.

They didn't know before the season started. After watching part 2, I think Teresa's job is in jeopardy. Luis is a liability. This same cast will not work. It has gone to the point of no return with some of the cast members. I say Teresa is fired or is given a spin-off with Loooie and her dorters. It's possible that Frank Jr. is being diplomatic to keep the peace. Bo made sure to say "hired". He and Luis were friends. He did it for free or favors. Luis was stupid enough to say twice that Bo looked into the cast and had info on everyone. Luis inadvertently threw a friend under the bus in anger which has probably ruined the friendship, he upset the cast and is jeopardizing Teresa's job. Doesn't come across as not stupid to me. Melissa must think Teresa plotted with Jennifer to have the info brought up on the show. Who knows if Teresa secretly did, but I think the info is true which is why there has been such a big reaction to it. If it's totally false, why wouldn't Margaret just say her friend made it up to try to hurt her friendship with Melissa? The allegations are too detailed to be pulled out of thin air. It wasn't just said that Melissa "cheated" or kissed someone else. There are names, a date, a place, etc. Danielle was using but she was more than willing to be used. She begged for info on camera then acted like she was burdened with it. She wanted to make a splash at the finale. Margaret was told by someone in PR named Tom who has worked with both Melissa and Margaret that he opened a rear car door and saw Melissa and actor Nick Barrotta (who was the bailiff on Divorce Court). Margaret gossiped about it to a friend she has had approx 40 years. I don't see a reason to hold that against Margaret. Laura turned on Marge for whatever reason and is now trying to hurt her relationships with the women. If there was no truth to it, the person to be mad at is Tom or Laura. Had Laura not been disloyal, the info probably would have never seen the light of day. It was never meant to be public.

Gabri is so annoying to me. He always screws up and skates by.

I'm so sick of sewer MarLOW. She needs to be fired, pronto. If Marlo is on next season, I will not watch. I want Sheree gone too but Sheree isn't as low as Marlo, but she is just as inauthentic. If production is putting the battery in Marlo's back, they really misjudged what the audience wants to see. We don't mind drama, but just let it be authentic. I don't want people in the group who hate each other and manufacture reasons to attack someone. Marlo has no redeeming value whatsoever. This is not a believable friend group or sisterhood. After last season, Kenya said she was done with Marlo. It was clear Kandi didn't really fool with her either. Kandi followed by Kenya are the top dogs, so they're not going anywhere. Why force Marlo on everyone? Marlo being on a Kenya trip is ridiculous. This is where they are going to lose the audience. They didn't even pretend someone else invited her -- she just showed up. Kenya would never invite Marlo anywhere. Marlo is one of the worst Housewives ever.

I don't watch a lot of Summer House, but why does Danielle act like she's owed info about an engagement before it happens?

Marlo and Sheree need to go for sure. I'm sick of them going after Kandi out of envy. This show is supposed to be about a believable friendship circle and/or sisterhood. Marlo and Sheree really don't like Kandi or Kenya. They also feel they need to "make Kandi work". How about just living their AUTHENTIC lives? The Martell relationship has stunt written all over it. If they truly think Kandi is boring or isn't giving a lot, why not use this opportunity to surpass Kandi on the show and become the stars? The truth is that they can't. Kandi is the top dog and they do not have dynamic enough lives or personalities to outshine her. This season is much better than the last two but the drama/shade/reading is supposed to be the icing on the cake, not the whole cake. I'm sick of some of these women ready to have a problem and get a dig in as soon as possible. It doesn't reflect how a true friend group acts and it's getting old. For instance, on Beverly Hills, none of the women would be as insensitive when it comes to Kandi's relative (who she helped raise) getting shot. They would rally around her like they did after Dorit got robbed. Nobody on ROHBH would make a snide remark about Marc taking Moore Manor. The preview for next week shows Marlo kicking Kenya's hotel room door. Marlo is in the sewer and declasses the show. I don't know what producers thought this gutter behavior would be entertaining. If it's the same cast next season, I'm out. I'd like to see Kenya, Kandi, Porsha, Eva or Claudia and a newbie; maybe Keri Hilson. I also think they should bring back some of the gay friends of. They added spice to earlier seasons. Let's have some women who actually have things going on who don't need to create moments and have dynamic lives.

Marge didn't start the rumor. The Gorgas are friends with actor Nick Barotta and his wife Liz. They were hanging out a lot. Someone named Tom does PR and knows all parties involved. Tom told Margaret he opened the door of a car and saw Melissa making out with Nick. Margaret then told her best friend Laura of 40 years. If you can't trust your best friend since childhood, who can you trust? Now that Laura fell out with Marge and didn't get cast on the show, she's revealing things said in confidence to try to hurt Margaret.