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I think there is more of a need for Grant to be taken aside and warned about Lace than Amanda warned about Josh. At least Amanda and Josh appear to be into each other. Lace is just a bitch and Grant deserves much better. She did totally disrespect him, and then he is the one who turns around and apologies to her? They are only a few weeks into a relationship - if it is this much work now Grant, it is only going to get worse. I have never watched this show before, so I am wondering if it is normal for people to leave whenever they feel like it? Not that that is a bad thing. I am totally annoyed though that Ashley was allowed to come back and continue to sabotage Calia and Jared. Since they didn't show Jared and Ashley in next week's preview I hope that means that Jared left. Are the people who come to paradise after the first week really a surprise? When Nick told Ashley that Jami had arrived, her response was "Oh". When Jami showed up on my screen my response was "Who the heck is Jami?", and I watched Ben's season. Wasn't she gone in the first week or two? So how in the world would Ashley know who Jami was (I assume there has been more than one in the history of the Bachelor?) unless they know ahead of time who is coming?

I rolled my eyes at that as well. At the point that this was filmed, TomCat had been dating Lu for less than three months, and engaged for a couple of weeks. I doubt even the dog considered Tom to be a part of the family, let alone her adult children. Did make me wonder though if Lu considered the woman that the count dumped her for to be her children's new co-mummy? Must have, as I think the count was in a relationship longer with the mistress at that point than Lu has been with TomCat. But again, that is Lu trying create an insta family in a matter of weeks.

Just a few minutes into the show the fellow whose property David lived on, Donny, said that when David did not come home they phoned his friend Marvin to see if he had seen David. Marvin answered that he had seen David on Monday and that he thought he was now in Michigan. When Donny said David was not in Michigan, Marvin said that David's truck was in the parking lot of the Dollar store. So why would Marvin think David was in Michigan when his truck, which he would be driving to Michigan, was still in town? I expected that to be followed up on but it never was. I would be suspicious of Marvin as his statements did not make sense.

Hard to say - could be a promise ring. Hubby gave me a diamond engagement ring three years before we got engaged. Then gave me another one when he proposed. But I wore the first one on my right hand as I didn't want people constantly assuming I was engaged because I wasn't. Just like when I was given my grandmother's wedding ring. I wore it on my right hand as I didn't want people to assume I was married when I wasn't. OTOH (no pun intended), I can see Beth wearing it just to tick people off. For all we know she bought it herself. I would really miss Bethy if she left the show as how she gets some people riled up is as entertaining - if not more so - than the show itself. Lol.

Ummmmmm, yes?

From what I remember the Turks and Caicos guy was wearing a wedding ring. So ya, I would think he was married and cheating on his wife. As to whether Lu slept with him? I would believe Lu as much as I believe that TomCat forgot he played tonsil hockey with a woman who was not Lu. As for Beth's boyfriend filing for divorce? Maybe he never will. He hasn't lived with his ex for a year. My brother is still legally married to his ex and they have been apart since 1990. Neither has had any interest in remarrying, hence they never bothered to divorce. Another relative's ex has lived with the woman he was cheating on her with since 1999. The relative and her ex never divorced. Does she consider herself to be a married woman? Not on your life. Personally I would want the divorce papers but for some people, unless they plan to remarry, it just isn't important.

I love every sentence in this post except for the one about Lu coming guns blazing for Beth being involved with a married man. I have never understood that when someone is separated from their wife/husband but not yet finalized their divorce they are 'married'. On paper yes, but not in any other way. I have two friends who are currently 'married' but have not lived with their husbands as married couples for almost 2 years and just over one year respectively. The second even stayed in the same home for over a year for financial reasons. The first has not yet even formally separated due to an unwillingness of the hubby to formally agree to an amount of support (though he is paying her but whatever he feels like whenever he feels like it) and her tiredness over the fighting. But he moved in with the woman he was having an affair with over a year ago. My friend is hardly 'married' to the guy. If anything, Lu was more married to the guy she was living with when she dumped him with no notice for the count. Edited to add - if the guy was married and having an affair with Beth that is a different thing. But I have never heard that that is the case unless I missed it.....

I think I will ask a couple of the ladies next time I see them if they remember who it was who worked with Daniel's ex. Then I will ask her as I am curious. It may take me a bit of time to track down who it was (and to see if she asked for any more info) but if/when I find out anything I will report back here.

The pics had times attached - 10:45, 11:30 and 12:39. So whether it was steady for two hours, the tonsil hockey went on for two hours. Regardless - if it was one kiss lasting a minute and that was my fiance he would be my ex as soon as I found out. But then again, I have self respect. But then I would also never give the time of day to a guy who would happily dump a woman he is on a date with for me. So there is that.

Actually in her TH Dorinda DID say that she was not going to lie for Tom. And that Tom could bring over whoever he wanted (it was two waiters) but there was still the smoking gun- the pictures. And considering that he and the woman were playing tonsil hockey at the bar for two hours one would think the bartenders would be the ones who would know best.

Love your first line, Ms Blue Jay! It also reminds me of how often, when I am travelling in the states, an American will ask me if I know some random person at the other end of the country just because we are both Canadian. I am sure it has happened to many other Canadians on this board. Which leads me to my second comment, which is rather funny. After many years of not watching the Bachelor/Bachelorette I watched Ben's season, then watched Jo-Jo's with a bunch of ladies on my street who have been watching as a group for several years. As it turns out, Daniel's hometown is an hour away from mine. Within the first couple of epis one of the ladies told us that one of her co-workers used to date Daniel. None of us commented much on it as Daniel didn't have much to say or do and was gone fairly quickly. Now I am watching BIP for the first time ever and would love to know if Daniel has always been this odd/funny or if he is putting on an act. However I don't remember which neighbour told us about her co-worker, and I don't want anyone to know I am watching BIP - lol. Though I have to say I do find it much more entertaining that the other two series.

I'd love to know what the lawyer in you thinks about TomCat then trying to get Dorinda to lie for him? And does anyone even understand what that was all about? Was Tom going to pay off waitresses/bartenders to say it didn't happen that night? And what would Dorinda have to do with it?

I agree, though in the case of the woman TomCat was playing tonsil hockey with, it is doubtful that she knew he was 'committed'. Lu said Tom had not seen this woman in awhile, and a mere 10 days previously he wasn't engaged, and several weeks previously was not even dating Lu. I love though that Lu said Tom could not resist this woman's clutches - didn't Lu at one point say that no one can steal someone from someone else? In any case TomCat is either a huge liar, or has a big drinking problem. He was with this woman for almost 2 hours and doesn't remember any of it? Sure TomCat. Also he and Lu went out to dinner, went home, had a fight, and by 10:45 he is already back at the bar and starting an almost two hour make out session. I call B.S. on the 'too drunk to know what I was doing' excuse. And then to top it off sticks the woman with the bill. Real catch, that Tom. Very interesting that Lu admitted that she may have more money than TomCat. I have read estimations of anywhere from 3 million to 15 million as Lu's net worth. Even 15 million is not a lot for her lifestyle and 3 million I would consider upper middle class even where I come from which is nowhere near as expensive as NYC. I did laugh when the ladies pointed out that TomCat's last girlfriend was very wealthy and he didn't give her a ring. Doesn't mean he didn't try - she might have had better sense and a better bulls**t meter. Lu has neither.

THIS!!!! All day long. I would not wish TomCat on my worst enemy, so I am amazed that people think Lu has won some sort of prize. I agree, that either dumping Tom or being dumped by Tom would be a win for Luann. I actually laughed out loud when Lu claimed that she is afraid that one of the Howives will trip her as she is walking down the isle. Ya got your soulmate for that, honey. By the looks of it he'll be tripping you plenty before that. But you will just pick yourself up, dust yourself off and continue that walk. Because lets face it, the wedding is the goal, not the marriage.

Totally agree with everything you have posted Ryebread. And it is pretty much what several of us have been saying all along. Lu isn't surprised or upset that TomCat cheated, just that he did it in public. She made it quite clear both in the scene in this epi and the previews for the next - he embarassed her in public and that is not acceptable. I find it amusing that Bethenny is the one apparently ruining Lu's happiness. I think TomCat is doing a great job of that all on his own. I also found it interesting that Lu keeps changing the definition of what an open marriage is. She had one with the count. And then she didn't- only he cheated and she wasn't happy. I guess that is the European definition? Wouldn't surprise me but again Lu went along with it and would still be 'married' (if that is what you want to call it) to the count if he hadn't dumped her via email. Ya, lovely charming man. But then she has shown with Tom that she has pretty low standards. I think if the wedding is called off it will be Tom doing the calling. I don't think Lu has any self respect so I don't know that TomCat can do anything that would make her dump him. In any case Lu gave off several vibes of desperation during this epi, bascially saying she hopes to last long enough to get down the isle. Sad, really.

Totally agree with everything you have posted Ryebread. And it is pretty much what several of us have been saying all along. Lu isn't surprised or upset that TomCat cheated, just that he did it in public. She made it quite clear both in the scene in this epi and the previews for the next - he embarassed her in public and that is not acceptable. I find it amusing that Bethenny is the one apparently ruining Lu's happiness. I think TomCat is doing a great job of that all on his own. I also found it interesting that Lu keeps changing the definition of what an open marriage is. She had one with the count. And then she didn't- only he cheated and she wasn't happy. I guess that is the European definition? Wouldn't surprise me but again Lu went along with it and would still be 'married' (if that is what you want to call it) to the count if he hadn't dumped her via email. Ya, lovely charming man. But then she has shown with Tom that she has pretty low standards. I think if the wedding is called off it will be Tom doing the calling. I don't think Lu has any self respect so I don't know that TomCat can do anything that would make her dump him. In any case Lu gave off several vibes of desperation during this epi, bascially saying she hopes to last long enough to get down the isle. Sad, really.

This epi annoyed me right out of the gate as I have no interest in Vicki, Brianna or her children. B.O.R.I.N.G. On top of that Brianna said what may be the stupidest comment I have heard in the history of this show when she stated that if she went a penny over budget on the house renovations she would "cry myself to sleep every night for the rest of my life". She is her mother's daughter. No dramatics there. For someone whose husband served in the military she has a very shallow view of what is important in life. Again, her mother's daughter. If Brianna continues to be featured this season I may be out - one Vicki is already too much for me. Why in the world did TPTB think an low class woman with anger management issues would be something viewers would want to see? I am no fan of Heather's but she gained a few points by telling Kelly off and leaving. I do think she was overdoing it in the limo, but I also do think she was upset. I have zero interest in this woman and at this point am only watching the show for Shannon. If Vicki, her boring family and Kelly are back next year I will not be. And will have a hard time lasting the rest of this season.

I am enjoying Sober Sonja so I hope she is back. Others have posted regarding Heather's legal issues but never specified what they were. Is that why she left and what are her legal issues? As far as Michael not signing a release to allow his kids to be filmed - that would surprise me. According to Jules he barely knows who his kids are so why would he care? On top of that Jules being out means less income for her, and likely more alimony that he would have to pay. I think if Jules is out it would be because she wasn't liked enough by the viewers (being Jewish and Asian aside) to warrent another apple - even if she and Michael were not divorcing.

I have barely watched this show in the last several months, and this may have already been brought up at some point recently, but doesn't a negative paternity test in GC pretty much mean that the potential father IS the father? What type of sample was taken from Chloe's kid - blood test, swab? Did Chloe submit the sample without Kevin at least observing it being taken? Was any of this shown? And we all known that test results can be falsified at the drop of a hat. I find it hard to believe that Kevin is that trusting. Especially of Chloe. And do we really know that this is Chloe's kid? In any case I am not the least bit happy to have her back. Even after months of sporadic viewing there is very little to keep me coming back.

On another site they showed the clip of TomCat and Lu strolling down the boardwalk. I thought that Lu had leaned in towards Tom for a kiss and he just ignored her. The clip in slo-mo showed that he actually stepped to the left away from Lu to totally avoid contact with her. Awkward indeed.

Ya, I find that pretty funny too. Though I am beginning to think that the reason Lu went so BSC over anyone discussing TomCat is that in reality she is not the least bit surprised by his past, present and most likely future behaviour. She just wants it to be on the down low (and we know TomCat can do that). Much like the count was OK to cheat until he started stepping out in public with a princess, thereby humiliating Lu.

Pretty much anything would have been better than what TomCat did say in the press. In People mag, in reference to Sonya and Ramona, he said that he had to kiss a few frogs and toads along the way to get to the countess. What a boorish little man. My hubby has more class in his little finger than TomCat has in his entire body.

That is certainly possible. Or maybe after playing tonsil hockey with a hot playboy bunny for an hour the day before, Joanie just wasn't doing it for him. Either way, trouble in paradise.

I think the woman in the very short, black sequined dress with the four feet of hair piled on her head (love the bang on description) was captioned as Lu's friend who owned the boat. So ya, I think Bravo hired her from the Rent-a-Socialite website.

OMG!!! I thought that picture was actress Erin Moran until I noticed she was wearing a nurse's cap. Joannie loves TomCat?