PreBabylonia

Wow, I must have completely blocked that out, because I actually felt they had a chance in #1, until she charged the cell and I thought oversaw something ominous in Ben's phone. That was truly horrible, especially since their child was crying for mom. That alone would have made me want him to go far far away. Good on you for rewatching. I think it would be helpful to binge on the entire show but I just can't make myself wade thru it again. I instantly felt like Ben was shady from the first moment we met him, but it's a testament to the actor that I actually felt him become more and more attractive and my misgivings floated away. Until we saw him in Cole's episode at the AA meeting and finally in the second version with Allison. I am very impressed at how well Ramon Rodriguez conveyed the duplicity of the character.

I also really like Luisa, although I didn't initially when she met Cole (and was sleeping with loser Scotty). I am fairly certain that Ben tied up his wife in the second version, not in the first. Of all the things he said, that might be the biggest red flag. When he shot the teen in version #1, I honestly thought it was in the heat of the battle thing. Although not right, it does happen frequently in war and sometimes, in police shootings.

Pretty simple really - just click on the hyperlink. (The red underlined comic thread in Princesspurssalot's post:)

I am disappointed but perhaps not that surprised. I only watched a few but they seemed to lack the magic of The Soup. I did think it might take a bit to get into the swing of things again and became too busy to try it again. I think that may be how it went with other longtime McHale fans. I definitely think he is one of the most talented comedian/actors out there, so I hope he finds another suitable vehicle soon, one that uses his talents as well as Community did.

I had to look that up on Urban Dictionary! I thought maybe it was missionary....nope. For anyone else that's clueless....

I actually had that show in mind, I loved it back in the day. So very very entertaining.

That's a hilarious (and obviously fake story that your mom told you) but in essence, I've always thought that. I wouldn't want to impress somebody with my "flawless" looks and then one day, they see what I really looked like and are completely shocked. Not that I think I look that much different but other than grade seven (when I wore BLUE eyeshadow!), I've never worn much makeup. Also because I am somewhat lazy and I found it an enormous effort to use makeup removers to get it all off, especially around the eyes. I always thought that the wrinkles I am causing my wiping off the mascara and eyeshadow (gave up on eyeliner instantly), more than outweighed the benefits of highlighting my best feature. On a related shallow note, I WAS that cousin. I met a guy at a house party (in grade 8 at that time) and agreed to go on a date with him. Unfortunately, we met and had a great conversation in the dark basement. When I actually saw him in the light, I saw - yep, tons of craters. Major acne problem. I made some excuse, cut it short and never saw him again. Shallow PreBabylonia. Ha, you can't blame the young Jumper Sage for fables her mom told her! Of course a relationship (and ultimately that marriage) should be based on a lot more than looks once you've gone out for a while. Looks are most important when you first meet someone, but they are easily overtaken by more important qualities: intelligence, kindness, similar sense of humour, shared values, sincerity, communication skills etc. I myself am more of a sucker for charm than looks - his personality quickly affects how attractive I feel about him. I do think someone that hides her looks under excessive makeup may have a problem with revealing her vulnerabilities though, and it may indicate some personal issues that are going to cause conflict down the road. I recall going camping in my teen years and beyond, and there were always a couple of women busy putting on loads of makeup and blow drying their hair after daily shampooing. The remainder of us were happy enough to wander around without bugs in her hair. Hygiene definitely should take a tumble when you are roughing it! I am pretty much clueless about that too, unless we are talking Ashley I levels of makeup worship. I do tend to notice the fake eyelashes though, and fake boobs. I wouldn't say ALL the women have implants though, some of them are quite small/flat - like Kendall and um Chelsea, I think. Tia's are definitely fake (just like her personality and manufactured drama) but I think Bibi is natural and perhaps some of the other women that I am not so familiar with - ie Astrid & Angela, I didn't watch the seasons they were on and can't tell yet. More than the Amazing Suitcase of Cosmetics, I am truly amazed at the cheapness of the set. Really, they couldn't whip up (a la Trading Spaces) a reasonable fascimile of a dresser or makeup table? I truly feel like BIP is just phoning it in this year. I don't know why, they must have saved a lot of cash from Becca's World O'Cheap Bachelorette. I love Jordan! His dialogue is SOOOO much funnier than anyone else, I honestly think he is coming up with it on his own. Probably from his stock dialogue on how to amuse your buddies at parties. I suspect he is far more intelligent than we are given to believe, he is just fully embracing the role for the career opportunities it affords. I breathlessly await his own reality show. *Fleiss. They just couldn't wait to see what natural human interest stories arose. Or maybe it turns out to be the lamest BIP yet, so they inserted most of it afterwards. 1. Krystal (looks, not personality) 2. Kendall 3. Chelsea 4. Bibiana 5. Annaliese 6. Angela 7. Nysha (I don't know anything about her & she comes across as completely bored/boring here, but superficially attractive) 8. Astrid {Gap} 9. Tia Interesting. This is my grouping: 1. Jordan 2. Joe 3. Wills 4. Kenny 5. Eric 6. John 7. Colton 8. David 9. Kevin 10. Chris 11. Nick *I can't remember what Connor looks like, but was he the bozo that threw Lincoln's photo into the pool? **I wouldn't count Wells, since he isn't really part of the cast and is living with Sarah. Didn't see his season either, just his bartending last year. ***Chris Harrison is 50/50 to me. Don't find him attractive when he is smarmy but do find him attractive when he is actively making fun of himself, as he usually does on BIP. Love a man with a self-deprecating sense of humour! I find the scruffiness attractive on some men, not others. My #1 choice for an attractive scruffy man is Viggo Mortensen, not so hot when he is cleaned up. In a cast full of attractive men, Viggo was the standout in the Lord of the Rings movies. I too think Eric looks much better with the beard. My problem with him has always been his vocabulary - it's awful. I couldn't be with a man that spoke that way. I also recall that he had some major anger management control in his Rachel season. But he is fairly young, so maybe will outgrow it. Based on watching just this one (and I am quite behind), it looks like he is being Friend Zoned. Looks like he may need to work on other things (career) before he can be taken seriously as a romantic partner. I mostly like him but I do think he falls in line when they are dealing with controversy. I felt like the reveal of the Bachelor death was extremely manipulated, he didn't have to participate and milk it for show drama. Ahhhhh Nick. He came across as a quiet dark horse that reminded me of Simon Baker on Becca's season. I think it would have done much more for his reputation if he hadn't appeared on BIP. We wouldn't have known that he's a drunken douche. I don't remember Angela either, but I suspect she was on a season I didn't watch, like that Ben Higgins. If the Bachelor or Bachelorette is very unappealing, I skip the entire season. As I will do if he is chosen again, as I read he might be. EEEEEEK! I remember Abi-Maria. Not so bad on her second, briefer season but I definitely "TV Show Hated" her. I definitely agree. These inexplicable bouts of anger. You have to wonder what on earth these producers are whispering in her ear.... I remember her! She was awesome. Definitely the most interesting woman in her season. Oddly enough, I have forgotten the bachelor. It might have been that blonde guy - the one that keeps showing up. Married with one or two kids now. Anyway, must have something to do with dealing with dead bodies. Makes you innately interesting. Like Norman Bates.... Yes, Kendall IS very awkward, and she seems to get very dehydrated during her talks, maybe from anxiety. I agree she is very intelligent but I don't think she is lacking in fun, just more introverted than extroverted. So a very strange choice to go on these reality dating shows - but the Bachelor producers seem to love her. I think I would prefer to see her hosting a TV science show, or perhaps a dating show for nerds.

I love Freida! It would have been fitting if it had been her, although I don't want to see an added sentence for my favourite character. I don't know how Red would end up back in Florida but I am definitely looking forward to seeing the two of them dealing with this sometime in the future. It wasn't clear to me either, whether she would be sentenced to death. Normally I think she would reappear in court for the official sentencing. I do know that it's life, not a death sentence, strictly from having read a few interviews with the showrunner and cast. I usually find Piper annoying too, and not a bit boring, but she has her moments. I think of them like Captain Kirk monologues - or Kyle/Stan in South Park or Jeff in Community - inspirational speeches meant to unify the group and find the moral of the story. Usually Piper is mocked but occasionally, it works. I think the kickball speech actually worked. Definitely think it's going to be useful in her future call for prison reform. Can totally picture Piper showing up on celebrity news shows like The View and The Talk, especially once she writes that memoir and publishes it.

Yes, he used to be absolutely gorgeous. Last season really was a mess, now that I think about it. It was never clear to me that Noah actually invented Brendan's prison guard doppleganger, wasn't convinced that he had indeed stabbed himself. Not sure if Brendan was still a dick in the prison or if most of his abuse was also in Noah's head.

Wow, I didn't notice that! Did you recognize the actor right away or check out the cast list? Hitler is currently my favourite villain on Preacher. (Dave Hilter) Yes, it would make for a terrible season if she's the big bad. Perhaps they have noticed at this point that it's just not working and she'll be done away with in short order. If we're lucky, she'll be out of there within the first two episodes. I don't think anyone would pay her attention anymore either. Brilliant suggestion for Alex! Makes sense with her looking over her life's accomplishments.

Awwww that's nice, you're so optimistic! I don't think it's going to work out either but at least Becca scored some nice dresses and a couple of good trips. And managed to wash Arie out of her errrrr....hair..... Oh I hope not! Are people naive enough to purchase dogs and cats from pet stores anymore? PetSmart has adoption days (only cats and kittens I think) but otherwise I think most rational people would stay far away from canines coming from a pet store. Did they mention this on the show? I watched the entire season but couldn't get thru the finale. Kind of quit while Garrett was snivelling at her parents home. Looked over the ring. It looked kind of gaudy. I might have been impressed if I was still eight-years-old. I am surprised that they couldn't have gotten the ring sized before that video interview.

Oh, I just meant intimidating since she had a backup posse to follow thru and the authority of Carol behind her. Otherwise, she herself did lack any power. Nobody listened to her at the kickball game and the only times she had any solo juice was in surprise attacks, like knocking Piper over from behind or pulling out her shiv (or is that shank?) on a smaller opponent in a small space. I am actually looking forward to seeing her get taken down by anyone in the prison. There's annoying and then there is Negan level of annoying. (TWD) She's a low level henchman type of annoying.

I didn't mind Rachel too much in her own season (although I liked her less and less as it went on), but she has become truly objectionable thru-out her appearances since, on the Bachelor Winter Olympics and on the Bachelor. Now she is whining about the editing on her season. At least this should mean that we won't have to see her again. Pretty stupid move on her part. I suppose we'll be seeing Becca and Garrett instead, although I really hope that Garrett keeps his mouth shut.

I think you forgot the thread we are posting in - it's all about Julie Chen. This particular discussion began with some of us suggesting that if when Les Moonves gets turfed out, Julie should go with him because: they're married, she's "not innocent," she only has the job because of him etc. I'm on the other side, because I think she deserves the job on her own merits and there is no suggestion anywhere that she knew what he had been doing or that she supported or helped him to do so or hide it in any way. I agree marital problems are their business not ours but it sounds like some people think that means she is just as bad a person as him and should lose her job. But this is a discussion forum and we are here to intelligently discuss it without getting personal or attacking other posters. Including telling them to grow up...in the words of the Quora Forum, be nice. I am sorry but I just don't understand what you are saying. How can you say they're not innocent, and then say you don't blame them? The opposite of innocent is guilty. You're contradicting yourself here. I don't have to approve of Julie getting involved with Moonves when he was still married, to think that it's immaterial when it comes to deciding whether she keeps her job. And I do agree with D.CBIES that we don't know all the details of their personal affairs anyway. For all we know, Moonves and his wife were already separated or living together but practically separated in a large house with separate bedrooms. It would matter a lot to then, but not at all to us. I just want to keep my Big Brother host. I've already seen a lot of terrible reality show hosts so I really appreciate her. If you don't think she's all that, then I suggest you watch any season of Big Brother Canada. Cox is terrible. So are all the Canadian hosts of international shows, I have no idea why, when we have good hosts for CBC shows. But the private networks in Canada are not so good.In comparison, Julie is a prize.

I think the point of Madison is to give us a character we haven't seen before, a type of mob enforcer. Carol was using her as an useful idiot. She was good at intimidating the new "cookies" and keeping the old ones in line, but it was pretty obvious that Carol didn't like her nor respect her. If anyone challenged her sufficiently, oh well, she was highly expendable. Apparently she is coming back in season 7, so I think we will probably see a fight between Daddy and Madison to take over Carol's top dog spot. Daddy is easily twice as intelligent as Madison though, so unless some lucky break comes her way, I am expecting Daddy to take her out in an especially vicious way. Then we'll see how that much power corrupts Daddy and the effect it has on Daya. So I still see Madison as a secondary character, but one that may trigger a bigger conflict. I hope so anyway, because I find Madison to be too dumb to make a great uber villain, like Vee was. Regarding her accent, Amanda Fuller says she was told to come across with a Boston accent and modelled it on Ben Affleck and to a lesser degree, Amy Ryan. The link I attached shows clips from the movie she is promoting as well as her speaking in her normal voice. I thought she also spoke strangely in her movie role and had a few vocal mannerisms that also showed up in Madison. I don't know anyone from Boston so I wouldn't have known if it was typical or not but I do know that I couldn't figure out some of the words she said, no matter if I rewound the show. Seems like a complete voice fail to me.

I have enjoyed all of the seasons but this was the one that actually made me tear up, over Taystee's address to the jury. Probably the only ending possible but I really really wanted her to be found not guilty. As for the guards, I just don't think that is a great occupation. It pays well for minimum training (but not so well that most of them will moonlight with legal or illegal jobs). I think it probably does attract a large proportion of violent bullies that can get away with tormenting humans, and is a great job for misogynists. The kind conscientious guard tends to get disillusioned quickly and either embraces the power or leaves the job. Same with the inmates. I usually feel sympathetic for most of the women, the flashbacks really get to me, but we always see impulse control is at the heart of their bad decisions. Some of us might be tempted to do something like steal or badly hurt another person but are held back by fears we'll get caught or the belief that to do so would be wrong. These women don't have those barriers and it is fascinating to watch people that are completely unlike myself. I can't think of any TV shows that either bored or disillusioned me enough to stop watching, other than Grey's Anatomy and The Walking Dead. GA was entertaining but I found less and less interest in staying invested when Isiah Washington left. followed by two other originals a few years later. I am hate watching TWD because deep down inside, I expect something to change and it will be restored to its previous glory. Completely unlikely at this point with the loss of Andrew Lincoln but still....I hate to give up on these shows. I have never hated Piper like so many other people do but I still think she is the least interesting character on the show, so I think it can easily live without her recurring presence. I would be fine if she stayed on the show as a guest actor. I don't know, how can you portray the goings on in a maximum security prison without seeing all the verbal and physical violence? Otherwise it would be the Hogan's Heroes version of prison and I don't think that would fly in 2018. I do prefer to see the fictionalized version as opposed to reality shows that selectively interview and portray aspects of being an inmate. They manage to interject brief comic moments and I find that gives me the room to tolerate the more horrible things that take up much of the show. I liked the silent verdict reveal, it worked for me. Just like in a car accident, sometimes all you can focus on are the visuals, not the sound. It was almost as if Taystee didn't hear the verdict, she reacted to the visuals of all the people around her. I think they threw in the Sofia plot just to give closure to the character. Laverne Cox is in such high demand that I could see the show is pretty low on her list of priorities so I thought it was great to see her briefly again. From what I've read, they make ICE pickups from police stations and court appearances, so I don't think it would be unrealistic to have her grabbed right outside the gate. Given that the company now has the immigration contract too, she might be sent to live nearby and stay a regular character. I hope so, she's grown on me. Flaca doesn't seem all that interested in anything that doesn't involve fashion and beauty tips and romance, so I am not surprised that she doesn't want to create waves with the guards. By I'd actually forgotten that she had initiated the riot. Still doesn't mean she should have been wrongly convicted for the murder though. I like the fact that she's a very complex character. Really dislike how she acts at times (and feels completely sorry for herself) but can still pull at our heartstrings. Yeah Luschek. One of the nicer guys on the show but - still creepy and cowardly at heart. I didn't realize that was Alex's application - I thought it was some kind of incriminating note about the gang. Considering that she was carrying that booklet around everywhere, I should have paid more attention. I like that they included a garden variety small minded mean villain that's not very intelligent but has a talent for maliciousness and getting her own way. I am sure the real prisons are full of people like that. However, she isn't interesting enough to carry a plot so I too would like to see her get eliminated, by the second episode at least. Maybe she and Daddy can battle it out and Daddy wins. Speaking of Daddy, I am still confused by her backstory. Sure, cover up the death of one of your girls so you're not caught pimping and to get rewarded handsomely by the killer, but why oh why keep him as a client and especially set him up with your girlfriend? I am wondering if the later reveal will tie in with Daya in some way. At this point I am pretty frustrated with Daya myself and I'm hoping that she doesn't take a main plotline next season.

Yeah, but they like putting a personal face to the horror of the system, and the best way to do that is show us even bigger threats, threats to their lives not just their freedom. Also they need to shake it up so they don't repeat themselves or else it resembles other seasons. We are now in the hardcore cells so I would expect that we will see more terrifying types of inmates. Even worse than Vee - the best villain we've had yet. Completely unredeemable.

That's right, I completely forgot! You either have a great memory or rewatched it. So Daya shouldn't be charged with murder but....attempted murder? And I think it was either Suzanne or her girlfriend that fiddled with the IV. He didn't die from the stroke though - did the guards mercy kill him?

I don't agree. These women contacted her because she is part of Bachelor Nation, she can draw attention to it. If she ignored what they sent her, it looks like she is complicit in what happened. I am surprised though that Leo is going after her. He actually had a very well crafted apology for the women that didn't admit to harassing them but said he didn't always behave as well as he should when young. Admittedly he probably didn't write it, but it was good to see that it wasn't one of those, sorry not sorry statements you frequently see. I did have the impression that Leo didn't assault or harass them but was probably a bad date or a jerk, kind of like Aziz Azaria. Now I am wondering if it is something much worse. Can't blame Bekah though - she's just the middlewoman. I don't know what I would have done in her place, but I suspect the same thing. I initially didn't like Leo. I thought he was overly harsh and sarcastic in the first couple of episodes. I thought I was wrong because so many people here loved him.... I am definitely getting the feeling that the producers didn't care that much for Becca. They gave her the worst dates and destinations, and half-assed criminal and social media checks. If they take this show at all seriously, they need to fire their current vetting company and find a much better one.

Yes, that's true, I've heard that as well! I think the Fantasy Suite is useful just to see if right now you have sexual chemistry, although I think great kissing is a pretty good indicator of how well it will go. Since most of us don't wait to consummate the relationship until marriage anyway, it probably doesn't matter. That could be one reason some of these relationships flounder a few months or a year later.

In Canada (or at least my province), we get a discount on our insurance if we've taken drivers education. That's one of the reasons why we wanted our boys to take it. Does it work like that in California? Yeah, not only are some of these posters dead on with the details, but they often come up with far more interesting plotlines and character developments. Many of them would be fantastic writers! Maybe Netflix should be trolling PreviouslyTV to grab showrunners, I heard (on South Park) that they'll greenlight just about anything!

A bit and also the eyes. He has very striking eyes (although they may be a different colour now that I think of it). I actually used to think Matt Lauer was good looking back in the days when he had hair. Gag. *still working on finding those recipes!

That was such a great way to end the episode. A happy ending! But we need a new villain. The guards can't always be the worst part of their lives. It emphasizes how ruthless this new environment will be. Me too! Frieda has my favourite backstory and the music just completes it. Can never get enough Frieda. Love her interaction with Red, Actually love Red in scenes with anybody. I can't believe how much I love Kate on this show. I couldn't stand her on the Star Trek show or as Mrs. Columbo.

Yes. agreed to your first point. I enjoyed the popcorn distraction. Didn't we already see him kicking at least one of the prisoners? I could be mixing him up with one of the other lesser guards in the background though. The main bad guy - shaved head and very dark eyebrows - kept reminding me of Matt Lauer. I think I am going to be remembering that one this season. He might be the #1 Bad Guard. I am pretty sure that we did see Daya shoot the guard. A large group of the women had the guard encircled in a space where the two hallways intersected, and I was hoping she wouldn't do it. I too love Fig and Caputo together. They have such great comic timing and fantastic chemistry. I always love it when the only half decent male on the show returns, even if he is highly ineffective most of the time, despite his best efforts. I also liked the goofy redhead guard from the last two seasons. Is he the one that is on the road trip with Rapey and Pennsacola?

**Loved your entire post, Green! And I am a Hard G true believer too. No way I am using the peanut butter pronunciation. I am loving Tyler's play too. I do wish there was another strategic thinker in the game, to make it a good match-up but what can you do? We very seldom see that. At times I think we will get that from Scottie but he does seem to be fairly gullible and trusting at times. Tyler is also physically talented (although he usually holds it back), and if he continues to stay under the radar and keep his many connections hidden, I think it will definitely get him to the final three at least. What I like about him is that he doesn't come across as nasty like Paul did. I actually enjoyed watching Paul play (unlike many) - it's fascinating to watch a master manipulator, or at least it is to me, since I could never be that person. But he did so many things (or triggered others to do mean things) that made me cringe. Tyler's worst comments would be saying things like "Kaitlin thinks she is my #2, but actually she is way down there at #10 or lower (paraphrase) - and then he laughed. Keeping in mind how annoying Kaitlin could be (and mean herself), I thought it was funny. He also makes me laugh. I wasn't a fan of Derek at all, but I am fine if Tyler is the eventual winner. In fact, I can't think of anyone else in the house that I see so positively. MY big memory of Cody (beside his robotic manner), was his complete lack of emotional intelligence. Even Jess had to tell him it wasn't wise to screw over his alliance. In comparison, Tyler is discreet. He is clearly here to play the game and win. One winner, not a team winner. Why should he try to save somebody other than himself unless it helps him win? As we get to know the other hamsters, they become more and more obnoxious. Ultimately, I don't care which one stays. I can't think of which one should win America's Favourite other than Tyler. Things are mostly going his way with little nudges on his part. Not batting 100% but nothing has damaged his gameplay yet. And he still has managed to stay friendly with all of the house. I still like him and I really disliked Derek, the one that had the most similar game IMHO. As for everybody else, I am kind of lukewarm. Normally I would root for the outsiders but the more I see them, the less I like them. Level 6 remind me of the popular crowd in school. Rachel and Angela particularly seemed like cheerleaders that were competing for the same spot on the team and fell out. I didn't particularly care that Rachel left and I thought she was completely rude to Julie and everybody else in the house. So what that she was blindsided. Many others have been as well but only the most petty and bitter leave without a word or a hug to anyone. I've never seen anyone before ignore Julie's greeting and try to avoid answering any of her questions. I'm happy that she didn't make it into jury. At this point, Tyler is by far the most likable and interesting to watch. If he wins the whole thing, I guess my nominee at this point is Scottie. Mostly because he made the first bold move by nominating Winston and Brett together. None of the others to this point have been superb players or somebody I actually cared for very much. At the beginning I was rooting for Sam, but I am completely over her now. If there was such a prize for least favourite/worst houseguest, it would be a toss-up between Sam and Shaggy.