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Petunia846

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  1. I thought it worked well. Was it longer than 60 minutes? It felt like a lot of stuff was crammed in there. Is that how the Otter Tooth story goes in the book or was tying that into Roger's rescue a show-only thing? I thought it worked well, except you just had to hope that these people who were ardent followers of a man from the future who told them they needed to kill all the white people before it was too late didn't take his advice when it came to these particular white people. Claire's like, "We'll help you!" And the other woman should have been like, "Dude, he literally told us not to trust people like you." *shrug*
  2. For real! (Based on how over the top all the other colonial sets are this season.)
  3. That was indeed a bit of a misstep. That line Lord John gives about hope really falls flat when you consider it from the POV of the Native Americans who used to live in the area of River Run and the enslaved people who now work there. They've been better about countering lines like that in other episodes this season, but this one went unchallenged out of plot necessity I guess.
  4. Why are there no comments yet? Well I liked it. It's a shame the beginning of this season was so...off. They've really hit their stride again now. I wish all those early episodes didn't feel so much like they were just set up and maneuvering. But at least it got us here. This was the first time I've ever really liked Lord John or the actor who played him. I'm not usually a fan, even in the books.
  5. Yeah, I've always thought Ron did more to muck up the show than he helped anything. I think the bigger issue is changes in the writers' room. Yeah, language acquisition research shows that children pick up accents from their peers, not their parents. I see it all the time at work.
  6. No, it's just that they're the younger generation and we've known them since they (the characters) were kids. It's also new, so I'm sure I'll get used to it.
  7. Maybe he's making use of it as a secret name, like Jamie used Alexander Malcolm. Was I the only one squicked out by seeing "the kids" naked? Obviously they're grown ups, but it felt so weird. I have no problem with the scenes with Jamie and Claire, but for some reason I didn't want to see Roger and Bree like that. So awkward. Good episode overall. Leaves you with a stone in the pit of your stomach though. I almost with I hadn't watched this week, and waited until the next episode is out so I could just go straight into that.
  8. That's so true. Why could't they have her walking toward Lallybroch and fall, and get stuck at Laoghaire's before she got there. We know they're close to each other. "cabin down by the creek, overlooking the mountains, near where the Indian's ghost hangs out." - I cackled at that! Ha!
  9. After a day to think about it, I've decided that (while I don't like Frank) the Frank scenes were good and valuable information for the story. The Loaghaire and Joanie scenes however a) went on far too long, b) didn't entirely make sense, and c) took away from what everyone really wanted to see, which was Bree at Lallybroch. Nell and the girl who plays Joanie are lovely actors, but this was not right for the story. They're saying in the media that they wanted to show the parallel between Frank and Loaghaire, but a) there really isn't one since those relationships were not equal, and b)...who cares? It would have been just as moving (and just as artful writing) to show a contrast between Bree's life in Boston falling apart as Frank and Claire break up and then Bree finding a new family in the past when she arrives at Lallybroch and meets everyone. I know we couldn't get Jenny, but they couldn't get anyone other than Steven Cree? There are some of the cousins we haven't even seen as adults (I think), they could have hired anyone and told me they were Maggie and I'd have believed them.
  10. No, the print shop reunion of Jamie and Claire last season.
  11. I remember an interview last season where they said they changed the reunion scenes because they wanted something less melodramatic. So yeah.
  12. Oh, no! Frank. He was somewhat tolerable, but I had been hoping we were done with him due to contracts and such. Yes, why, why is Lizzie a giant? Her father still treats her like a pre-teen? But? So many questions? I always skim the bits in the book with Roger on his boat, so I have no idea if those are accurate, and I can't remember how it ties into the guy who's a MacKenzie that Roger ends up with later. I...I didn't entirely hate the changes they made to Brianna's time in Scotland. I guess there were scheduling conflicts with some other actors? Also, I bet the way it really was in the book was deemed too melodramatic for the TV show. I guess we just have to live with knowing that they're going to be faithful to the books in all the inconsequential scenes, but any "big" moment they're going to switch around and put their own touch on it. *long-suffering sigh* Maybe it's all because they didn't make the pearls the way they were supposed to be. [crying from laughing emoji] It wasn't terrible to watch, in the moment, but looking back on it, it feels a bit like how The Garrison Commander episode always feels to me—a very beautiful waste of screentime. Everyone seemed to love that episode, but for me it took what was a short bit in the book and stretched it out needlessly, seemingly just to showcase Menzies, and I guess how pretty the writing staff can write. This was similar. It was a nice showcase of acting, and pretty little scenes, but in the end, what purpose did it serve? We spend 3/4ths of the episode enjoying the pretty cottage and playing in the garden, and then we only have a tiny bit of time left for getting to Lallybroch, meeting Ian, getting to the docks, meeting Lizzie...maybe we could have allocated our time a bit better? *shrug* I didn't hate it, but I do kind of hate that Ian is the only person Brianna got to meet. You couldn't even scrounge up any of her cousins? Just the two "lads" who carted her trunk around? Who were they? Any relation? And also, can I just say, Claire must have had a TON of clothes back in the day. There were enough that Marsali took a trunk of them with her when she sneaked onto the voyage last season, and now there's yet another trunk for Bree to take? Wow Claire. Did I love it? No. Did I hate it? No. Given all the things in the episode that I'm never fond of seeing (namely Frank and Laoghaire) it could have been a lot worse.
  13. There's already so much discussion of all the sexual assaults (and attempts) in Outlander. I feel like non-book readers are going to riot and jump ship when (if?) Bree shows up in the past and more or less immediately gets raped. I wonder if there's a way they can maintain the basic structure of the story without actually going there.
  14. Oh ho ho. Look who finally admitted they screwed up the wedding ring. Ha. I feel vindicated after all this time. Maybe now they'll learn to never listen to changes that Ron wants to make. (I don't mind changes, but throughout every season, when there's been a dumb or annoying change, it has always come out later that Ron wanted it. Once there was a even a thing that was the best scene in an episode and later I heard Ron say he had wanted to cut it but people overruled him.) I don't have much else to say. Fine episode. William was weird and awkward and annoying, but that's William. A funny thing while I was watching...they shot that deer, and then Jamie was going to show William how to cut it up or whatever, and I just knew that it was going to be gross and they were going to show it because this is Outlander and they like to show guts and stuff. So I cover my eyes so I can't see. When I think it's safe I peek out, and of course that was right as the guts first spill out. Gahhh. Oh, and speaking of gross. I was kind of grossed out when Jamie laid Claire on the bed, because a) she was wet and that was going to mess up their linens, and then I realized b) did she change the sheets after sweaty and sick Lord John was in them? Ick. I'm going to fanwank that in their gorgeously appointed, not very rustic cabin, they have a cedar chest full of bed linens and she has the other ones ready to get laundered.
  15. You guys, the Outlander writers twitter account did a Q & A earlier today and one of the questions I saw they answered was about how much time had passed between this episode and the previous one. I can't remember exactly now, and I think they deleted it, but it was either 2 or 4 months! By the time I saw it, there were a few people already commenting about how could they have built the cabin and furnished it that nicely in 4 months (I'm pretty sure it was four months), heh, so maybe they had to delete it before causing too much trouble. My eyes practically bugged out of my head when I saw it. ETA: I was poking around more and saw other people responding to their answer to another question about how Claire had such nice veggies for the animals (their answer: she grew them in her garden) and they were saying, In a month? In a months and a half? So maybe that was the original answer to the time question, but anyway, my point is...the writers seem to have a vastly different experience with the passage of time than we do here in reality.
  16. Good point. That's a very good motivation to trek three days up into the mountains.
  17. That's a good point about River Run. My thought regarding Murtagh was that he'd come up to a) see Claire, but also b) to try to talk to Jamie more, knowing that it might be easier to convince him to his side if Claire is there and willing to get on board and it also might be safer to have those discussions out in the middle of no where. Maybe reestablish that old soldiering rapport with Jamie, go hunting together, maybe a little sword fighting or wrestling, and then once Jamie gets more of that old Scots feeling in his bones hit him up with talk of revolution again. To Murtagh's eyes, Jamie must look a bit stodgy and not like his old Highland self, maybe Murtagh is thinking he needs a little reminder of where he comes from.
  18. Ahhhh! So is he there to stay? And how are they ever going to get any settlers? How long has it been between episodes, and how the you know what did Claire and Jamie acquire so much stuff?? I found myself a little frustrated by the lack of forward momentum in the Roger and Bree storyline. Judging by Roger going around at the beginning of the episode looking for her, I was expecting to get further in that timeline, but it seems like all we get is Roger reading the letter and Bree at the stones. But by the time Roger's reading that letter, Bree's already gone, right? Those weren't happening concurrently, right? That was a horrible outfit she managed to scrounge up, right? She's going to be taken for some kind of prostitute with a skirt that short, right? Ugg. (Also, Mrs./Miss Baird! How cool to see that area again.) The Mueller situation was well portrayed. If I recall correctly, it's coming back from the birth at the Muellers that Claire gets caught in a storm, falls off her horse and ends up lost under the tree roots with the skull and the ghost. So I guess maybe they just needed to shift things around to make everything else in this episode work.
  19. Yeah, in the book it's exactly like they showed on the show, she's under the roots of an overturned tree. I don't think they conflated two scenes, as much as just changed the one scene to fit what they wanted to show.
  20. I really liked that one! Now it's starting to feel like the season is started. One particularly nice sequence I want to point out... Roger learns about the obituary in which Jamie and Claire supposedly will die in a fire at the house, then we cut to Jamie and Claire and they're standing in the foundations of the house. At the end of their scene they're hugging, and then we get an overlay of the next scene which happens to start with Roger staring into the fire, so for a minute there, Jamie and Claire are overlaid with the flames. I see what you did there, Show. I got it. Nicely done. I know Terry basically retired from the show, but she still did this season, right? I'd be really interested in hearing her talk about the research and development of the Cherokee costumes. I was fascinated by the mix of Western garments in with what we think of as more native dress. Especially in the title card, I think it was, you see a Cherokee man wearing that metal necklace thing that British soldiers wear. (Oh, I went to look up the name of it (a gorget), and found on wikipedia: "The British Empire awarded gorgets to chiefs of American Indian tribes both as tokens of goodwill and a badge of their high status." So much to learn.)
  21. Yeah, part of me even wonders if it's even from a later book? I can't recall, but in the book she's coming back from helping some neighbors with a birth, falls off the horse, stays under the tree in the storm, finds the skull, etc, etc. But the ghost takes her shoes to the cabin where Jamie and Ian are. They're not expecting her home, but Rolo starts barking like a maddog and they follow Rolo, who follows the scent of the shoes or ghost or something, and then find Claire. Most of the scene here is good, it just didn't make much sense that the ghost took the shoes to a random stream, then Jamie happened to find the footprints and follow them to the shoes at that random stream and then Claire noticed the footprints and followed them to where Jamie was just chillin' with her shoes. Maybe if he had made a camp for the night and the ghost left the shoes there and then Claire followed them to Jamie's camp, but meh. Then they just brush off the weirdness of a ghost moving her shoes pretty darn quickly and get on with things. *shrug*
  22. The bit with the skull and the shoes and the ghost is my favorite part of this book, and well...it was better in the book. Oh well. Not sure why they moved it so far forward in the narrative. I guess we'll have to wait until the whole season has played out to know about the structure. I actually enjoyed the Brianna/Roger stuff more than I did the Claire/Jamie stuff this week. For some reason the Claire/Jamie scenes felt kind of forced. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood this morning. One thing though is that I just don't buy their Scottish forests where they're filming as being North Carolina. I live near the mountains on the Tennessee side, and it's just not dense enough. Or something. Wrong trees. That mossy area Claire walked through was beautiful but totally wrong. I don't know. It all still looks like Scotland to me, so it doesn't feel right. The 1970s Scottish festival was great, though. My alma mater (which was founded by a Scot) hosts a Scottish festival every summer and it's fun to go to.
  23. Yeah, either someone didn't quite understand how the email would work, or they're aiming for that very tiny sliver of people who watch the show, use Goodreads, and either haven't read the later books or just have the books marked as to-read but haven't read them yet. Oh well. Shrug.
  24. Interesting email this morning... I use the website Goodreads and they occasionally send out emails from authors when they have new books coming out. This is only ever very big name authors, because I'm sure that costs a lot as a marketing/advertising method. Anyway, this morning I had one from Diana. At first I thought it was going to be an announcement of the new book's release date, but no. It was a letter written by Diana about why the story moves to the Americas in this part of the show story. It starts, "Dear [Petunia846], "But why didn’t the story stay in Scotland?!?” is a cry I’m used to hearing. “I loved Scotland! All the fighting and the tartans and the swords…” Well, yeah. Who doesn’t?" It then explained about how the Scotland we came to love dies after Culloden and it's not the same there and the Scots moved on to the colonies and all the stuff that we as fans loved about the first few seasons will be in the new season in the Americas, so don't worry, keep watching, stick with the show. It has a promo photo from the show and on the bottom it has Tune into Outlander on Starz...blah blah blah. So...I guess they're targeting book readers who might not like this part? I don't get these emails unless I've marked on Goodreads that I've read a book by that author or plan to read one, so theoretically, non-book readers wouldn't get this. I just found it interesting as a marketing strategy for the show, and interesting that they felt the need to do that. I've never gotten an email like that for any other season. Are they worried about something?
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