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It's a pretty dopey nickname, but on Emily's season, it was clear that he had swoon-worthy kissing moves.

I was just saying to my husband that I thought Rachel could be another Emily. You need to have some understanding of human nature and an ability to analyze it and describe it to be a really good Bachelorette.

Thanks, Yorklee et al! I'm going to have to go back and watch that scene. I remember someone on one of the forums saying they liked to watch The Bachelor with no sound, and that you could really read the body language. Kirk and Carly might be a good candidate for that treatment.

I agree. I wonder if the Playboy shoot was her "wild young person acting against type" thing. With Marcus and Lacey, it seemed like both of them came to BiP really wanting that romantic love story, and they were able to make that happen with each other. With Tanner and Jade, it seemed like they both came to BiP without particular expectations and happened to meet and fall in love. Question: This conversation has been mentioned a few times, but I must have missed it. (Guess I was getting a snack or something). I remember the TH before the FS, but what did he say to Carly?

I thought that was very sweet and genuine. It was nice to see that real bond of friendship between the two women. I think it was Jade who said it, as she mentioned being best friends with Carly. Props to Mikey for breaking things off with Juelia with a pretty decent speech. They were both in the friendship zone, and he was just willing to acknowledge it. I was surprised by the Kirk and Carly breakup, but it's hard to know what the real story is because we didn't hear much conversation between Kirk and Carly about their relationship, or from Kirk in interviews. They did seem like they got along well, and they were sleeping together, so I can certainly understand Carly thinking they would try having a relationship post-BIP, and not seeing a break-up coming. It seems like there must have been some way for him to let her know sooner that he wasn't as serious as she was without waiting until the last week. And I liked that Carly didn't just crumple into a mess of tears, and was clear with Kirk about what she needed. She definitely didn't want to hear the long version of how he wasn't in love with her, and honestly, who wants to hear that? It reminded me of a great scene from Buffy that takes place after Willow has been trying to apologize to Oz for kissing another guy: Oz: Just... You can leave me alone. I need to figure things out. Willow: But maybe if we talk about it, we could... Oz: Look... I'm sorry this is hard for you. But I told you what I need. So I can't help feeling like the reason you want to talk is so you can feel better about yourself. That's not my problem. Kirk, that's not Carly's problem.

That's who Nick is! OMG, he's Nick "I did this all myself" Peterson from Bachelor Pad. He looks so different to me. His face is a lot thinner and he's got laugh lines around his eyes. I don't remember him having that dissipated playboy vibe on Bachelor Pad. Jaclyn looks like a completely different person.She's the Renee Zellweger of Bachelor Nation.

Ha! I do not measure the residents of the great states of New Jersey or Kentucky by the actions of Ashley I or Joe, and I hope they will do us Texans the same courtesy when it comes to Erica Rose and Kalon. (Although I kind of love Erica Rose). I don't think he really did choose Ashley I. over Clare. I think he was trying to extricate himself from Clare for whatever reason, and Ashley I. was the option that was left for getting a rose. My husband and I were saying something similar. Although she's said a few unkind things behind people's backs (like the "old ladies" comment) and she's shallow, there's a sweetness to her. I think she needs a good therapist to help her learn that if she focuses less on herself, and builds some resilience, she will become more appealing to others.

Actually, the only thing we were curious about was why Ashley S. went to the hospital, and they never really explained it beyond Dan's speculation that it might have been the heat.

This was completely lame, even with a full hour of Chris Harrison.

My husband and I were discussing this potential pairing, too.

Do they not understand that one day they too will be "old"? That's going to be a rude awakening.

It was either in her comments on the balcony or in a talking head interview that she clearly said that she wasn't sorry she had sex with Nick, but just regretted the timing of it while she was getting to know the other men. I wasn't referring to something she said to someone else. She has also said in the media that she's 30 years old and she gets to make those decisions for herself. I think it's hypocritical that people would think it's okay for her to sleep with several men in a row if it were within the structure of the Fleiss & Co. fantasy suites dates, but if she decides to sleep with someone on her own timeline, she's a whore. Andi did "fiancee type stuff" with several of the contestants in a row during the fantasy suite dates and didn't get this kind of criticism. I would call her a sexually active adult with a high libido.

I agree, LadyJaney. Based on the previews showing that she felt guilty about having slept with Nick while she was still interested in other guys, and the fact that she ends up telling at least some of them something about it, I was expecting her to make a decision that she needed to come clean with all of the guys just so that she wouldn't be keeping secrets from them. But clearly that's not how it goes down. I was also, ahem, expecting it to happen this week. As an aside, I do want to say that I really admire the fact that Kaitlyn has not once apologized for having sex. She clearly believes that as an adult she has every right to make that decision and it's not one she should be ashamed of. She always makes a distinction that she feels bad that it happened while she was building relationships with other guys. I find it horrifying the number of comments I've seen (all from women) saying that she's a "whore." I was very interested to see how Chris Harrison's blog would spin the changes to the timeline. He said: and: Four hometown dates seemed a little premature? Does that mean that most of the relationships had not developed to the point where the guys were wanting to take her home to meet their families, or that the producers were concerned that it would come out that Kaitlyn had had a telltale tryst with Nick, and the remaining guys would not feel like they wanted to introduce her to their families, unless they'd had "alone time" in which to convince themselves that she was serious about a marriage? It's all very confusing!

Very creepy how Kaitlyn said she wanted to punch Jared in the face because his black eye was sexy and now it was going away. Run, Jared, run!

It looks like the whole "my story" line is an ongoing thing for Kelsey. She has a website at www.anomalyme.com that says "Kelsey Poe, Her Story" and says that it will go live in March 2015. And her FB page description says "Kelsey's personal story is as dynamic as her personality." Maybe she is planning to write a book or be a Dr. Phil type?