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I believe you can also stream the 1975 version at AcornTV if you have a subscription there.

I agree. Everything started falling into place way too easily for it to really be the son. It definitely felt like a frameup to me. At the moment, I'm suspecting the lawyer. If she didn't do it or have it done, she knows who did - and it isn't the son. That's just too convenient.

OK. The above thoughts were my initial reaction. After having had a bit of time to think about things, I will say this. My overall opinion doesn't change. I think the series would have been much stronger from a storytelling perspective had it ended at season with Audrey simply going into the barn and then (as someone earlier mentioned) having the epilogue we had. Throw in a brief scene of Howard and Audrey having some kind of discussion about her not having to wait 27 years to come back and you would have had (in my opinion) the perfect ending. Yes, I realize that would have left Haven still dealing with the Troubles, but you would have had Audrey/Paige there to help deal with them so things would remain even on that point. To me, the biggest advantage to ending it that way would have been that the tenor/atmosphere of the show wouldn't have been ripped to shreds. As it stands, Audrey still had to be barned in the end, making the events of the last two/three seasons a bit pointless. Yes, I suppose Haven wound up in a better place when all was said and done. After all, no one has to deal with Troubles anymore. Unfortunately though, the route chosen to get there pretty much destroyed the show in the process. Personally, I'd rather have had an ending that kept the show and its characters intact. Having said that, I will say that I think the ending the writers wound up choosing fit with what the show had become. Personally, I would have preferred Duke and Dave to live. But given the circumstances they had chosen to write the characters into, I think it was the ending that the characters would have chosen. Had the show we ended up with been the show we started with, I'll admit that I probably would have been fairly satisfied with the ending we got. But it wasn't. The show we started out with was, in many ways, totally different from the one we were watching at the end. It's that first show I feel was ill served by the ending that aired. That first show is the one I still mourn three years later. The second show? The one that just ended? Meh, it never really captured me. I kept watching, hoping the first one would reappear, but unfortunately it turned out to be weaker than Audrey. She was able to win her fight for survival against Mara, the intruder. Original Haven never did.

I think this is the best way to rewatch and enjoy the show. Watch the show up until then (it was a fun and relatively light watch until that point) and turn it off right after Audrey enters. Do what Phoebe's mom on Friends did with the movie Old Yeller -- just skip the bad stuff (for this shown aka seasons 4, 5, and 6.) Yeah I know the last season was technically season 5b, but it aired a year after 5a. It really should have been season 6. This. So much this.

Yep. It's definitely not the same show. And the answers they're providing for what happened in the first half of the show don't match at all. Very poor storytelling - very poor indeed.

Definitely. This is not the Haven that drew me in back in the beginning. That show was fun and interesting. This one? Not so much.

I remember her saying something to Sully along the lines of "try explaining that your sister died because of the invisible man". So I think the girl did probably go through therapy at the time of her twin's death, which was probably part of her problem. Because of Sully's involvement, the therapy only served to make her more angry and bitter about the situation.

This is the only way I can see of making any sense at all out of the fiasco. Supposing this is the way it winds up playing out (haven't read anything about what's been happening in season 6), it shouldn't have taken two seasons for that to be made clear. That should have been made clear this past season (season 5), not been left to speculation.

Just finished binge watching seasons 1-5 on Amazon Prime, and I've just got to say - the Who Killed Green? storyline has to the dumbest storyline I've ever seen. (OK. I'm sure I've seen others that have been just as dumb over the years, but I just finished watching this one so it's fresh on my mind. LOL) So let me see if I've got this straight. An unimportant man falls in front of a bus and dies. A year later, we find out that someone overheard a chance remark the man made just before he died and a decides to report it. Okaaaaay. The police, who are apparently bored and tired of sitting around with nothing to do-- (Who knew a large city had so little crime to deal with in those days?)-- decide the comment (What are you doing here?) is probably an indication that the man was actually murdered. He wasn't accidentally bumped off the curb at the wrong time. He didn't accidentally stumble off the curb at the wrong time. Nope. Instead, he saw someone he recognized and asked them why they were there. Therefore, obviously, he must have been deliberately pushed in front of the bus. Really? (Nevermind how the person knows the comment came from the man who died. As far as I can remember, that was never explained. I was under the impression there was a crowd of people around when the accident/murder happened, so it seems to me the question could have come from any number of people.) Having decided they probably have a murder on their hands, the police proceed to embark on an amazingly long and apparently extremely thorough investigation into the situation. (I mean, if the King himself had been murdered, the investigation couldn't have taken more time and been examined more closely; could it?) Suddenly people - even though it's been somewhere between a year and two years- are remembering the strangers they saw around them on the street that day, strangers they talked to, strangers who came into their shops, etc. I served jury duty a couple of weeks ago; and even though I talked to some of the people who were there with me, I wouldn't recognize any of them today -- just two weeks later. Why? Because they were all strangers to me, and (as far as I know) I haven't seen any of them since. So can I have some of the memory pills those people must be taking? Please? I'd love to be able to remember things like they do. All of this over the death of a (former) household servant? (Had he already been fired when he died?) I mean, it's not like the man's (former) employer was pushing for an investigation into his death. He barely seemed to register it had occurred. The whole situation is just so unbelievable - even for a TV show. I rolled my eyes so much I was sure my eyeballs were going to get stuck. In fact, I'm a bit surprised I can see anything other than the inside of my skull right now.

I totally agree. The Haven we have now is not the Haven we started out with. From atmosphere to storyline, they're like two completely different shows. The first one drew me in. The second one? Not so much. The first one was a lot of fun and had a lot of intriguing, almost fresh possibilities to it. The second one is grim and dreary and feels like so many other shows that are out there. I really miss the show that drew me in. Having said that, I did feel like this episode was a step in the right direction - back towards what it once was, at least atmospherically. I just wish they hadn't made some of the storyline decisions they made last season. There were so many other fresher, more interesting paths they could have taken - ones that would have fit the starting point so much better.

Still not really sold on the new boss; still miss Frankie, the blonde detective; and wish they utilized Max more. But I am enjoying Billy and Meredith's partnership and (I may be in the minority on this) having Laura and Jake work together in the field. I think L&J work well together on that level. On a romantic level though? Maybe in a couple of more seasons, after a bit more time has passed. After all, people do sometimes reconcile after a breakup - even if adultery was involved. But I don't want them together romantically now. I think it's still way too soon for that. And I would be content if they never reconnected romantically either. I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.

I'm having very mixed feelings about the season at the moment. Dystopian type backdrops are not my favorite type of setting for a show, and so far Haven isn't changing my mind on that. I understand the reasons for the changes plotline wise, but this isn't the kind of show I signed up for. I miss the old Haven.

We'll be getting another season? Really? Yay! (Seriously, yay!)

I'm loving this show so far. I like the fact that it's light and doesn't take itself too seriously. I wish the critics would judge it for what it is and attempts to be rather than what they think it should be attempting to be (in other words, heavier and more serious). Loved the closing scene with Laura and her dad. Excellently written and acted. A lot of love and history conveyed there.

My opinion that's probably the most unpopular? From a storytelling perspective, I really think the series should have ended at the end of season 5 with "Swan Song" - minus the ending scene of Sam standing on the sidewalk. The John Winchester/YED storyline that the show had started out with had been dealt with. Sam had been allowed to correct and atone for his enormous mistake. Dean was free to make what he wanted of his future. To me it just felt like a bittersweet but solid ending to the series. Obviously, that's not what happened. And what we've had since then - although I've enjoyed a lot of it - has been a confusing mess. There's been a glaring lack of continuity at times. A downward emotional spiral, both in the tone of the episodes and within the characters themselves. An erosion of the brothers' relationship. And storylines that seem to repeat themselves over and over and over and over and ..... It's been a bit like being stuck in Mystery Spot, just on a larger scale. I totally agree with this. Coherent, in-depth storyline/plot/character development really isn't the show's strong point. Not at all.