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  1. treasaigh

    S04.E13: The Seam

    As someone who is not on Twitter, what did she say? Honestly, I don't know if they really couldn't come up with anything else to say with Quentin or if they are using that as an excuse for something else. But even if it isn't the real reason they could be more sensitive. Which I would have assumed they were capable of being more considerate since they were writing a show that included many queer characters. The fact they aren't just reinforced to me that the show I thought I was watching is not the show the showrunners/producers are making.
  2. treasaigh

    S04.E13: The Seam

    Here's what I want to know. Now that the dust has settled a bit, is the story from the producers/storytellers/actors changed? Are they seeing or feeling any backlash? I don't read too many interviews so I don't know. I don't expect them to resurrect Quentin next season, but maybe... I don't know... something??? That being said I'd totally take a Quentin fighting his way back story. I don't want a repeat of the ripping Buffy out of heaven storyline. But a Quentin deciding he isn't done? I'd take that.
  3. treasaigh

    S04.E13: The Seam

    So here's the other thing that's bothering me. I read statements about how the showrunners really didn't want to send a pro-suicide message. But I don't know how this *isn't* a somewhat pro-suicide message. I just watched the fireside scene and while Penny40 talks about "You didn't want to leave that did you." But honestly, why not? He saved his friends. They're sad, but they'll move on to new and different things. They are okay without him. They don't have him, but they have each other to help them get through it. I know Quentin has struggled with suicidal thoughts, and it does make some sort of sense that he might wonder about his intention. I just don't know that they really proved anything to me. Not sure there was anything they could have done to prove it honestly. So maybe they should have found a way to kill him off without it being his choice. Random death is also very real and very tragic for everyone involved. Sickness. Accidents. All valid choices that wouldn't have opened the door of suicide. Edited to add: In the Hollywood Reporter article, there is this quote. You’re in the early stages of writing season five. What does that look like without Quentin? "McNamara: It's interesting because not every character had the depth of relationship with Quentin that Julia, Eliot and Alice had. So it's interesting to really be realistic about it. There’s a bit of a clue to that in one of the final scenes of the finale where Margo and Eliot are in Fillory and she has this line about "I'm gonna find my man for some hot grief-banging," and then realizes she's being horribly insensitive to Eliot. " Here's my question. What relationship does everyone think Eliot and Quentin have? Why would Margo think that Eliot would be hurt more by Quentin's death than she was? The three of them were "best" friends, Margo's words, not mine. So why wouldn't Margo assume Eliot is being hit harder? Maybe that answer is in part of an episode I didn't watch yet????
  4. treasaigh

    S04.E13: The Seam

    Or, you know, they could have spent this season building up relationships for her instead of making her all about Quentin. Not a good look for Alice or the show.
  5. treasaigh

    S04.E13: The Seam

    Your take is certainly reasonable too. Everyone brings their perspective and baggage to a show. So everyone is going to interpret what happens through their lenses. My lenses say that they could have done everything you say, without a romantic reconciliation. I've seen someone post several times over the last couple weeks that the Quentin/Alice connection could have been made just as well if they came back together as friends only. Which I *totally* agree with. I'm sorry whoever you are. Apparently, I'm too lazy to go back through the threads and find your name! 🙂 Why because he forgave himself does he have to get back together with a person he was *clearly and completely* over (as I saw it anyway). To me, it felt too much like backsliding into something comfortable as a way to chase some happiness. And if it is, as you say "the story has nothing to do with which person Quentin is going to have a romantic future with." then it would have worked better if he and Alice decided to start over with a friendship FIRST before getting back together romantically. Then Quentin could have died with TWO people destroyed by the idea of the romance that could have been if only Quentin hadn't died. As it stands, Eliot not only loses one of his best friends but has to accept the man he wanted to commit himself to went back to his crazy ex-girlfriend. There's a thought. How does this not destroy Eliot? How does he not wonder what could have changed if only he said yes to Quentin? Would he wonder how much harder Quentin would have worked to save him if they were in a relationship? Does he wonder if Quentin would have hesitated to sacrifice himself if they were in a relationship? How does this not become even more his biggest regret? How does he live with that? I assume that's part of what's in season 5. Maybe. Or maybe they just move past it without any real thought. Yeah, I'm still bitter. 🙂
  6. treasaigh

    S04.E13: The Seam

    First, my disclaimer. I have not watched the last two episodes. The Magicians seems to always end on a cliffhanger, so I typically stop watching an episode or two before the end so it hopefully makes the wait easier. Debatable if that works, especially when you consider I still read the spoilers. J Anyway, I think I might be done with this show. Or at least I don’t think I’ll be paying for it anymore. (I currently watch through Amazon Prime.) I don’t think I’ve been watching the show the showrunners have been telling, if you get my meaning. This season seems to end with a couple of themes/storylines I just didn’t expect to see in this show. So there is a disconnect between the show I *thought* I was watching and the story they are trying to tell. The showrunners have known since before the first word was written for season four that this was the end for Jason/Quentin. That means all the storylines related to him were on purpose. They told the story they wanted to tell. Meaning… One, Alice was isolated all season because they wanted her to be isolated. They resolutely refused to build relationships between her and the other characters and instead kept her focus on Quentin. Why??? Why was it important that she ends the season without other significant relationships? Maybe next season will explore that, but I’m not sure I care enough to stick around for that. Two, Quentin spent all season being sad, depressed, and miserable just to kill him off in the end. What sort of message does that send? Life sucks and then you die? But everything is better? All so we could have fifteen minutes exploring whether or not he died so he could save his friends or commit suicide? Yeah, this could be somewhat irresponsible. Three, they wanted their heterosexual, white, cis couple back together in the end regardless if it made sense. I was really excited a few episodes back when it looked like Quentin was clearly over Alice. People. Move. On. And I was excited to see a show I loved showing how one partner moves on when the other hasn’t moved on quite as much. That’s totally realistic and heartbreaking. But somehow in the last two episodes, Quentin decided he still wanted her. When I first heard he took her back I was hoping it was so they could explore how someone with low self-esteem and depression might go back to someone even if they know it’s not a good relationship for them simply because they don’t feel they could do better. That would have been a different way to approach the love triangle. Alice, the old relationship, but known, against Eliot, the scary new relationship. But nope. Quentin just needed a girlfriend so his death could be more tragic. Ugh. Four, yes, people like people who like other people. And, yes, sometimes people die before you can tell them you like them. Totally realistic. Know what? I just don’t care. There is nothing in my life at this moment that makes me want to spend time on a story that is realistic in a sad and depressing way. Is it a valid story to tell? Absolutely. No question. It’s just not a story *I* want to watch. There was no reason to revisit A Life in a Day and bait the audience like that. Because I don’t care what they say, *that* was baiting the audience. They are aware enough of LBGT storylines in popular culture and their show specifically to know a portion of the audience would latch on to that. Teasing that without any sort of payoff at all. Not even a real meeting between Eliot and Quentin… Yeah, I think I might be done. I’ll totally watch the last two episodes eventually. Sadly this is not the first time I’ve had to realize the show I was watching was not the show the showrunners were trying to tell. Maybe it really is me. Apparently, Joss Whedon (and Co.) and I have different ideas on whether or not Angel is a good boyfriend. J
  7. treasaigh

    S04.E11: The 411

    I don't know. I was feeling the hints that she wanted to get back with him. But that's my interpretation. Specially in their last scene where he fixed the cup, I thought it looked like she was making little false starts towards kissing him. Maybe I'm wrong and this is what you say, just two ex's learning how to interact. Or maybe it's a story about how one partner has a harder time letting go and the awkwardness that arises. I hope so. I don't know that I 100% agree that this show isn't about endgame relationships. This show is all about personal growth and relationships. Yes, crazy things happen, but the stuff everyone connects to are the relationships. At the end of the show I expect to see all sorts of ways their stories can end. I believe some will be alone and some will be in seemingly long term pairings. I could really see Margo ending up alone, and I actually really like the Josh/Margo pairing. Or even Katy. Or Julia. But I think the characters out Quentin and Eliot want love and relationships too much to be left alone. Could I be totally wrong and it's more a bittersweet ending? Of course. After years of being beaten up and dragged through the winger, I just can't imagine that the show is going to end up without some payoff, and some of that payoff is going to be committed, long term, relationships. Where (probably) at least one or more are relationships where the writers have teased and tormented the characters and the viewers for years, the shows OTP. I think there's a chance that OTP could be Queliot. Or maybe I'm dreaming and not making sense cause it's way too early to be up on a Saturday!
  8. treasaigh

    S04.E11: The 411

    I totally agree with Alice having relationships outside of Quentin. Nobody's life should be all about just one person. It would also lessen my fear that Qualice is coming back. Even if it's not about the relationship, Alice is just kind of out there on her own without strong connections between her and people not named Quentin. That's not good for the character. I enjoyed the Katy/Alice scenes. Back in the day I even enjoyed the Penny/Alice stuff. They could be using her for the Katy stuff this episode. Alice and Zelda are pretty good together. Zelda is actively losing her friends by going against the library. Maybe she and Alice could hang out together. (I realize Zelda might have friends that we never see. I'm assuming not for argument's sake.) Maybe put her with Dean Fogg? He needs someone too. I quoted your statement about how Eliot should respond just because it makes me happy. 🙂 I'm tired of people not talking just so we can have more drama. Maybe he wouldn't yell, but dear God, please have Eliot TALK to Quentin about how he realized he passed up something great with him, and would really like to give it a go. I do understand if everyone talked to each other 90% of the drama in shows would go away. I'm just asking for a little bit of talking. After Life in a Day, I totally agreed with you, Festivus. I just didn't see the show going with their two main male protagonists in a romantic relationship. That changed for me after Escape from a Happy Place. They placed the Queliot *romantic* relationship front and center. It wasn't a joke, it wasn't a throw-away line. Eliot's greatest regret is not giving it a go. The show loves Eliot, they aren't going to dangle a happily ever after with his biggest regret and then not give it to him. So I'm not terribly concerned that the show will eventually go with Queliot. Especially with the real world implications. Can you imagine the backlash if they *don't* actually go there? In Legends of Tomorrow, I don't really care for the Avalance ship, but I realize it's not going anywhere mostly for real-world reasons. Caveat, of course, is one or the other leaving the show. I think that's the same thing here. I'm just NOT here for the drama of Triangleland. I'm so over triangles. It's going to waste time when we could be watching Queliot and the gang facing all the craziness together. I'm a good person. I want nice things. Give me this thing show.
  9. treasaigh

    S04.E11: The 411

    I just finished watching and I think I might stop watching the season till next season comes along. This is so ending on a horrible cliffhanger. And I want Eliot back. And I want my Eliot and Quentin ship. They cannot tease E&Q then have Eliot return ready to declare his love just to see Quentin and Alice kissing, which I'm so afraid is what's going to happen. Up till this episode I loved that, while Alice was clearly not over Q, Q was clearly over Alice, and it didn't seem like they were going to get back together. Now I'm afraid they are going to horrible love triangle land. The only good news is I believe Eliot gets his guy in the end. They can't tease that ship and then not go there. Did Margo let Josh and Fen know she was okay? The bunnies work again, right? I don't know guys, does this whole season feel a bit like set up for next season?
  10. treasaigh

    The Umbrella Academy

    I get what you're saying, but I think we can take them at their words if nothing else, and that is the fact they call themselves brother and sister. There's no ambiguity there. They are a *family*. Yes, there is dysfunction. Yes, there is abuse and trauma and just plain old messed-upness. But still... a family. And a relationship between the two is icky. Who knows, maybe it's realistic too. How much could/did those children interact with others their age? Maybe there was a forced closeness that resulted in even more dysfunction?
  11. treasaigh

    The Umbrella Academy

    I watched this over a few days. I enjoyed it, though some points bugged me, like many here. Luther is my least favorite because he's an idiot. I was going to point out other things, but honestly it still comes down to him being an idiot. While I liked Allison for the most part, I am not in favor of the Allison/Luther pairing. Nope. Not here for the incest. I think they aren't showing us much of the children as small children because we'd have to acknowledge how creepy that relationship is. By only showing them together after they become horny teenagers it's easier to forget they were raised, clearly, as siblings. After the connection between Five and Vanya in the beginning, I'm really sorry they didn't explore that relationship more. Maybe if both Five and Allison tried reaching out to Vanya, she might not have snapped. I guess in the end the one thing that bothered me the most about the show is just how realistic they tried to be with how everyone interacted with regard to the abuse. Clearly they were abused, and I don't blame them for repeating patterns. Abused children often grow up to be abusers. People are still traumatized for decades after the abuse. Most people need some outside help to deal with the abuse. So I don't blame the children for not being able to break the pattern/cycle. It's realistic that they made bad choices, lots of bad choices. I'm just not interested in seeing nothing but bad choices being made over and over, in a piece of fiction. They don't talk to each other. They don't include everyone. They don't listen to each other. They aren't terribly helpful. Allison seemed to be the only one who was *trying* to be better. Vanya was at the bottom of the abuse ladder, and I don't blame her for latching on to Leonard or even not listening to Allison. She just recently learned she has power, and a sister, who she resents, just dropped huge bombshells on her. Of course she needed time to process, and she wasn't getting it. Instead of trying to help her come to terms with everything, Allison is just pushing Vanya to leave when clearly Vanya is freaking out. But I get Allison not feeling like they had time to wait. So I get it. It makes sense to me with these characters. I just don't need this show to be *that* realistic when it comes to the cycle of abuse and PTSD. Lastly, how stupid was Harold/Leonard? He pushes her at the end, what did he think she was going to do??? She's a loaded gun with no safety, and he's not pointing her anywhere but directly at *HIMSELF*. Of course she was going to kill him. He betrayed her, lied to her, manipulated her. And she just killed her sister, that he knew she loved. I assume he was trying to break her so he could totally control her, but at that moment he was stupid. He'd actually been pretty good up to that point at knowing when to push and when to hold back to get her to attach to him. That's why it's even more stupid that he would make such a mistake at the end.
  12. treasaigh

    S04.E06: A Timeline and Place

    Alice's storyline seemed really disconnected. I hope it'll tie back in at some point in the not so far distant future. Kind of like the Penny storyline. Did we really need that? Closure on Penny40 sure, but I believe they could have made that more interesting if they wanted. Frankly I was hoping that Plover was Penny40. He could have helped Alice escape, and given her the message for Katy. The stories just seem so separate, I like them best working together. I love Margo, but she went too far this episode with Josh. I think she realized it afterwards, but she's going to have to really work to make it up to him.
  13. treasaigh

    S04.E05: Escape from the Happy Place

    After a day in the life aired, I assumed that Eliot and Quentin were possibly the OTP of the show. I didn't think they'd actually take it to a romantic relationship though. I just assumed the show would end someday with them as very close friends. After this episode? They are totally going there, and I'm ready for some romance baby! Quentin and Alice have a really very nice end to their relationship. Very grown up. Alice isn't happy about it, but she understands. It would be weird for them to go back and put Quentin and Alice together. Shows have done it before, but I just don't see *this* show doing that. And I'm thankful. They can become friends again, and of course they will, otherwise Alice would be leaving the show. But I think the romantic relationship is over. Really kind of sad about Shoshanna though. A couple of questions though. 1) Who stole Penny? 2) I don't remember the poison world. Which one was that? 3) What was up with the birthright box again? Maybe I need to do a rewatch. 🙂
  14. treasaigh

    One Day At A Time (2017)

    In the past week over three mini binging sessions I watched season 3, and I really hope this isn't the end. I really want to know what happens with Lydia and Leslie in Cuba. Honestly I'm not terribly comfortable with their relationship (everything is on the up and up, but I don't like how everyone around them is okay with how much she uses him), but there is a story there. the two of them in Cuba would be a blast. Elena is a lot, but I'm happy she got her dance with her dad. She deserved that. I never yell at the screen, but I kind of did when Schneider put the bottle on the table. I know it's a comedy and all, but I wish if there were going to go there, that it happened an episode or two before it did. Then they could really show us the work Schneider put into his sobriety. As an aside, I LOVED the callback to the episode where Penny let's Schneider take Alex to the baseball game. I LOVE that they left it with Penny being okay with being alone. Women aren't shown that as a truly viable option enough. I didn't realize that the Max/Penny and having kids issue mirrors a plot line from the original series. I had to check Wikipedia to see if in the original they gave Bonnie Franklin a happily ever after with the guy. They did not. I wonder if that's the plan for this show. I honestly wonder if they will ever change the dynamic between Penny and Schneider from siblings to something more. I worried more about that during season 1 and 2. They really pushed the familial relationship this season, and gave Schneider a love interest, so maybe they will never go there. But unless they keep Avery around, I wonder if this will just be another example of Schneider growing up to be a good enough man for Penny... eventually. The work she put into Victor is nothing compared to the work she would have to put into Schneider. Not saying I want that (I'm agnostic on it), but it's hard to keep two people of opposite sex, friendly, unattached, and apart from each other on a show.
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    S04.E03: The Bad News Bear

    Can someone explain what Katy did to Marina and the bear? I almost followed all of that, but not quite.
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