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16 minutes ago, iMonrey said:
Did Zendaya become a "big star?" I've not heard a thing about her since she was last on this show.
I wouldn't call her a big star, but she has had some really high-profile gigs post DWTS. She's the new "MJ" in the rebooted Spider Man.
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19 minutes ago, Sara2009 said:
I don’t think the dislike is irrational. I think we could all name actors who just rub us the wrong way.
It's irrational dislike if someone fully admits to disliking someone without any specific reason but just because? I mean never even watching any of her projects but just saying she's annoying on sight is slightly irrational? I fully admit to having an irrational dislike of some people also, doesn't make it any less irrational because it's myself though!
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Far more people are going to recognize Derek Fisher or TO than Jordan if you do a random polling off the street. Pretty much anyone that follows the NBA or NFL in the last decade which is a whole heck of a lot of people, would know who either of these two are.
Last thing I remember Nick from is the Sing Off. While I do think Jordan's star is on the rise, Nick's had a lot of past success. He's on the level of a Mario Lopez or something. If nothing else, he's still got name recognition, which Jordan actually doesn't have (currently anyway).
With all that said, Jordan and Lindsey S. are pretty much the only contestants I actually want to see dance though week to week.
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Jeez...some people really have an irrational dislike of Lea. It's really bizarre. I think she has great comedic timing. So far, I'm enjoying the cast and the show, even if it is a little sugary sappy in the first two episodes. The pacing was much improved from the pilot though.
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Consistent television and stage work is nothing to sneeze at. Those that have been fortunate to land those roles (Lea, Grant, Melissa, Harry on TV, and Amber and Matt on Broadway/West End) pretty awesome for them. Plus, I mean what actor wouldn't love a Modern Family type deal...
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4 hours ago, Venee said:
None of that has to do with her. She couldn't have done anything more with that than what she did. She would have killed a real jazz number, but for some reason that I can't fathom, they didn't give her one.
Oh I agree, she did what she could with it. I blame Mak's choreography. It's a shame. Anyway, it was a wasted opportunity in my opinion. I just think unlike some of the other cast, she didn't have the luxury of having some margin for error. I totally think Maks failed his partner in that respect. They had to be great, and last week really wasn't. It was boring. Anyway, the rest of the dancers despite having some skill (Simone, Normani, and Nancy) aren't enough for me to sit through Bonner walking around on the dance floor and the judges' nonsense.
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I think last week's dance was to blame. Despite all her hype as a great dancer, last week's dance was honestly just boring. She didn't have the cushion to have a boring dance.
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I'm going to go against what seems to be the general consensus, but I actually think Normani is not going to win and may even be a surprise boot. I just don't believe that her fanbase is quite as big as people might think. It seems like Fifth Harmony fans have a big online presence, but I get the sense that their US fanbase is not really that big. The have had a couple of high charting songs, but their US tour was actually pretty small. Even more so, I don't think people recognize them individually and certainly not the DWTS demo. She dances quite well, but unless her personality starts winning some more people over, I'm going to guess she's going to fall short of the mirror ball.
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This is a TV show first and foremost, and the producers are creating a cast they think will be compelling to different facets of the audience. Heather fit the bill for a tv star that has decent name recognition that is also available/willing to appear on the show. She just also happens to be a really good dancer with more dance experience than most. This show is cast for entertainment purposes. It isn't meant to be some pure contest of dance talent/skills.
The talk of fair or not fair always seems bizarre to me cause it's not a real competition. Otherwise we'd have real rules and consistent scoring. Even if you exclude Heather from the conversation, I mean do people think a competition featuring 50 year old SNL star with a severe back injury and a 20 year-old pop star is fair?
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Well, Chris also got to write an episode which seems to be a pretty decent show of confidence in his talent. I think there probably is some hyperbole/colored interpretations from both sides.
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I heard, "all you saints and seculars", vote for her. Your version makes more sense.
I heard secular too. It was strange. I don't understand what Pharrell is saying half the time.
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Yeah, Shakira's net worth > Christina + Gwen + Adam + Blake. When her sleazy ex-fiancé tried to sue her saying he built her career, she was estimated to be worth $500mm.
I'd guess Usher or Pharrell has the 2nd highest net worth.
As for Christina vs. Gwen, I'd be shocked if Christina was worth more. Christina has had very few endorsement deals and she hasn't toured all that much (and her ticket sales aren't great). Musical acts make their money in tour sale and endorsements + song writing credits. Gwen has a lot of songwriting credits while Christina has few.
Except for her debut, Spanish language and Christmas albums, Christina is at least a co-write on pretty much all her songs. She's a co-writer on every track for what are typically considered her two best albums, Stripped and Back to Basics. Gwen is a co-write on nearly all her and No Doubt's tracks too. Christina's also had plenty of endorsements. There's a section on her wiki if you want to bother looking. As I'm sure Gwen also has plenty of endorsements. Christina hasn't toured recently, but when she did she was huge. Her Back to Basics Tour was something like the second highest grossing tour of 2007. No Doubt and Solo Gwen was just never quite a big as act, but they were very successful in their own right. Why do people have to diminish someone's accomplishments to boost another's? It's really off-putting.
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FWIW, Gwen did just get her first #1 album. While Xtina hasn't had one in 10 years.
A number 1 album that didn't sell very much (it's only shipped 70k units in 3 weeks). A number one just isn't what it used to be. Both her singles have peaked at in the 50's so unless something hits, it's a pretty dismal commercial performance. Even Christina's "Your Body" peaked in the 30's, and I'll be the first to say Lotus was a clear flop for Christina's standards.
I believe you're completely incorrect about the relative net worths of the two. Gwen long ago diversified into other areas besides music and has been insanely successful.I mean unless you're both of their accountants, I don't know how you'd know...Google tells me a pretty convincing story that I'm probably right.
Christina's been on those Forbes top 20 richest female entertainers lists, and I don't believe Gwen ever has. It's simple math really. Gwen was the lead singer of a very successful 4-person band. She would have split those profits 4 ways, and while No Doubt was big, they were never as big as Christina. Christina was not only a bigger act, she was a solo act. She netted more money. I think Gwen's L.A.M.B. does well for a celebrity fashion brand, but it's not like she's Jay-Z or Jessica Simpson. I think its revenues are relatively modest. Either way, the point stands that neither of them NEED the Voice. They've both been extremely successful.
BTW, I say this as a person that has seen No Doubt and solo Gwen several times live and has never been to a Christina concert. And I think Shakira's net worth is about Christina's and Gwen's combined.
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Well Christina's worth a lot more money than Gwen, so I'm not sure how much that's true
How long ago did Burnett say that, though? If the rumors about how difficult she is to work with are true, I don't have any trouble believing that TPTB finally had enough and pulled the plug. I also choose to believe - based on nothing but my own guesses - that they gave Pharrell the soft boot and he won't be back either. And actually, I have had less of a problem with Christina than with Pharrell this season based on what has aired, although I'm sure that will change with the live shows when Christina is no longer edited. Pharrell is just boring, lacks any sense of humor, and is off-putting. Just my two cents; it's not even a completely popular view in my own household!
Gwen makes a ton more money than Christina Aguilera. She actually doesn't need The Voice; she's amazingly, amazingly successful, not just with her music but with all of her other ventures. I don't think she ever intended to coach on The Voice full-time, and if she and Blake are really serious (who knows; they seem really cute and happy together but it's Hollywood) then it arguably makes even less sense for her to do so. I don't expect either Alicia or Miley to be full-time, so I can easily envision Gwen returning for the next season.
But these same stupid feud rumors come up EVERY single season and it never amounts to anything. Mark Burnett has always emphasized the Voice wouldn't have happened without Christina. Maybe he's overselling it, but I'd take him over a tabloid. Christina's level of fame is the same it is now and it was when the show started. Her recording career was already kind of stalled. She's had some big features since the show (A Great Big World, Maroon 5, Pitbull), but her own recording career has certainly taken a far too long hiatus. She seems to have been pretty uninspired since her divorce so maybe she'll eventually come back with something, but who knows at this point.
Gwen hasn't had much recent success either. Here latest singles both peaked in the top 50, which is pretty dismal for her but music is just a completely different landscape and past success isn't going to dictate future success. Also Christina is worth a lot more than Gwen, but they're both super successful so it's not like either of them necessarily need the show.
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Well . . . while there's clearly a lot of gossipy speculation in that piece, I'm simply not going to be moved off of my longtime viewpoint that Christina is not a nice person to be around. Her reported feud with Gwen is not hard to buy at all, nor is the rumor that she was fired for good. I think the producers booted Pharrell too, and with good reason.
Mark Burnett has stated on record that as long as Christina wants it she has a slot on the show. I mean it's a tabloid rag; you can't put any validity into that.
I mean there's an equally credible source (in that not very) stating that Christina and Gwen are collaborating on a song together. None of this is substantiated, but I'd buy a collaboration more than some "feud" involving ex-wives and what not. Also if producers are after Blake and Gwen for more interaction, why would they bring on two entirely new female judges instead of bringing Gwen back somehow. Makes no sense.
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The pants are on trend now...i think Lea pulled off the outfit and she looked good, but I'm not a really a fan of this new trend overall.
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Because Groff was one of principal soloists on the Hamilton Original Cast Album, he now has a Grammy!
Technically he has 2. One for Spring Awakening also.
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I thought the production value of Grease Live was extremely high and it was overall really well done. It's also got great ratings and is getting pretty good reviews. I thought Julianne was just ok, but she definitely looked the part and was serviceable in the role.
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I think the pro you get really plays a great deal into the celebrities' experiences. Artem had lots of experience coming from SCD and seems to adapt well to different partners. While Keo certainly hasn't gotten any type of real contenders, none of his partners have clicked with him at all it seems. He just may not be cut out to teach amateurs with limited dancing ability...
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Damn...that's just sick
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I think maybe this is overstating Adam's comments a bit. He said there are shortcomings in how the label has handled things and hopes that it does right by Jordan. Which is the problem at hand. The record label hasn't done much. We could argue that The Voice doesn't properly set up the contestants for post-show success all we want. But we'll never know if the labels aren't bothering to promote them at all. I mean, I think I understand your other points just fine and it's basically a business justification for the labels to not take the risk and to not invest in the contestants. But is that fair? I bet the labels are not violating their contract with the show outright, but they certainly don't seem to be fulfilling it in spirit. If they have trouble with the show's execution and their way of "developing stars", are they communicating that to the show? My guess is no, if the coaches are openly expressing their frustration with the label.
I have to say, I also don't think it's fair to say that Adam is "full of it" either. Yes, the show is about ratings and largely focused on the coaches. But the show also gives the contestants exposure and hopefully puts the contestants in a better position than before they went on the show. If the label does nothing with that, then the label deserves some criticism.
Regarding the $100k, I'm not entirely sure on this, but I thought that was the cash prize for the winners. Not the value of the record contract.
Adam was more diplomatic in this latest interview, but I don't think I'm overstating what he has said in the past. He clearly thinks the show does this amazing job of setting up the contestants for success and the label screws it up. From the his Howard Stern interview:
“The rollout of all that is still such a mess,” Levine said. “And by the way, just to clarify, this has nothing to do with what happens on NBC or with the people. In that time, we do so much great s— for these singers, and then they go to a record label that I won’t mention. But they go to a record label that f—s it up.”And if you listen to the interview he straight up says the show does a great job and contestants fails because nobody picks up the slack on the end of it.
I mean, I agree that the label doesn't do much to promote these winners, but I also contend that the way the Voice is structured is ultimately not about the contestants. Adam's just delusional to think the label is the only reason these artists don't succeed and winning the show should result in some instant success story. Blake has a much more realistic view point. The show gives you exposure but in the end you have to take that exposure and build on that. It's not instant success even if you win. The days of even AI making stars are long gone.
ETA: I didn't realize the $100k was a straight up cash prize. At least the winner gets that much to take home then.
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The guy goes out of his way (twice now that we know of) to express a completely legitimate criticism that he didn't need to make and can't really do anything about, and he's "full of it." Sigh.
He's full of it in that he's claiming this show is some great amazing platform that automatically sets the contestants for success as a recording artist. The show sets itself up as a successful television show for ratings. It's centered around the judges more than the contestants. People barely remember the contestants names once the season wraps. Not to mention the deal the show has negotiated with the label is supposedly only worth $100k. That might cover the cost producing one song, it's not even close to what it'd cost to produce an album. IMO, I just don't think the show is really interested in developing stars. The show and the contracts they've arranged would be structured differently if that was a real goal.
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I can't entirely blame the label for the lack of success these artists have. I think Adam is full of it on that end. He can point fingers all he wants, but the Voice is clearly primarily a TV show; they aren't really interested in developing stars. If they were, they wouldn't be starting the next season before the current winner even has a chance to put anything out. They'd try to build something like a tour post-show (which they've tried and pretty much failed). They wouldn't focus the majority of screen time on the coaches instead of the contestants. They would have past contestants come and promote more. There's lots of things the show does a crappy job of in developing "stars". That said, everyone's having a lot of trouble breaking out. It's been a few years since Idol or XFactor has had a true breakout star. The days are long gone where you get instant success post reality show. Furthermore, the labels just haven't figured out how to operate in the new world of streaming, digital media consumption, on demand, etc. Old distribution models don't work. Radio play doesn't work the way it used to. It's just a different more fragmented world out there that makes it much harder to "manufacture" a breakout star.
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I'd guess CCR was meant to be Contemporary Christian Rock in this context.
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The Mayor - General Discussion
in The Mayor
I mean award shows where someone is basically just reading off a teleprompter doesn't give you much basis to dislike or like someone...anyway I think it's irrational to have such an visceral dislike of a person while also admitting to not really being very familiar with said person. Again, not to say you can't dislike an actor/actress for some pretty vague reasons. I just think it's irrational that's all.