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On 7/30/2020 at 12:00 AM, Lakebum said:
I made it thru episode 4 of Season 3, but just didn't care enough to keep going. It's not just that the plot was confusing and it was hard the keep the various iterations of characters straight (as well as know which year/universe they were in); I just stopped caring about any of the characters. BUT, the music in the show was consistently awesome.
If you're up for it, I'd urge you to watch at least the next episode - I found the first part of season 3 slow as well, but I thought episode 5 was fantastic. Definitely the best episode of the season for me, if not the whole series. It's a heavy/emotional episode, but very well done.
On 8/2/2020 at 9:23 PM, Ottis said:Finally finished season 3. Thought about it, and for what it was the ending was touching and well done, but I am not a fan of introducing a whole new explanation at the very end that we have never seen nor suspected throughout the series. You *might* have wondered at some point
, but there was no reason to suspect it. And what we learn in the last episode is critical to the whole show. Cheap trick.
I agree! Overall the show wrapped up well, but season 3 had a very different atmosphere from the previous 2 seasons, and while some of the individual episodes are great, it's definitely the weakest season for me. I almost wish they had introduced the parallel world earlier on in season 2, or extended the final season by an episode or 2. And for so much to hinge on Eva - a character we don't really know - just didn't work as well for me.
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8 hours ago, iMonrey said:
True, but I'm not sure I understand what motive Jonas and Martha would have had to end their own existences. I understand Claudia's motivation: the believes Regina will live in the origin timeline. What the heck to Jonas and Marta get out of it? They get nothing - literally.
I think Jonas' motivation makes sense - Adam has always wanted to end the worlds and (everyone's suffering within it). It makes sense to me that this version of Jonas, even though he won't grow up to be Adam, has a similar understanding of the world. In both seasons 1 and 2 Jonas was okay with not existing if it meant that his father would live. This was more on a bigger scale - but Jonas has always felt that he was wrong, and I'm not surprised that he would agree with Claudia in ending the time loop.
I'm not really understanding alt-Martha's motivation (or the character at all, to be honest). The version of Jonas she loves was the one that was saved and then died, and she only knew him for a few short hours. The Martha who helps Jonas end the worlds doesn't know that version of Jonas, so that connection to him isn't there. The only thing I can think of is that Eva's entire motivation was to continue the existence of her son (the Unknown). But the version of Martha that Jonas saves to help him end the world doesn't yet know she's pregnant, and is already expecting an apocalypse to end her own world anyway. Maybe the chance to be with a version of Jonas was enough for her to help him.
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8 hours ago, enchantingmonkey said:
For all we know Regina is in love with Woller in the Origin World and Hannah seduced him away from her. I think Hannah is great but we all know what she's capable of.
Apparently there's a scene in Season 2 where Woller tells Clausen that he thinks Hannah is the prettiest girl in Winden, and everyone thinks it's odd that she married Michael. So I guess he's always been in love with her! It's crazy that the show planted that back in Season 2 and they end up together at the end.
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On 7/5/2020 at 3:44 PM, Paloma said:
I have questions about the Unknown trio, probably unanswerable based on show information, that seem important: Why wasn't the son of Martha and Jonas given a name, and and what was the significance of the lack of a name? Who raised him and where/when? Eva's/Martha's goal was to keep him/them alive, but there didn't seem to be any relationship between the trio and her or even between the trio and the other Marthas. In one of the last episodes, the child and the adult Unknown hugged one of the young Marthas (I'm not sure which one), but she didn't seem to know them.
This was my question too. She keeps perpetuating the loop to keep him alive, but then doesn't even name him? I guess that's part of the loop as well? She doesn't name him because she knows he never had a name, and she's trying to keep the loop.
I think the Martha that the Unknown hugs is the one that doesn't choose to save Jonas (and kills him instead). Bartosz brings her to Eva who gives her the scar. Then the little boy version of Unknown hugs her - maybe so she'll start to love him and to have more motivation to kill Jonas?
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You're welcome! I spent some time reading the discussion on reddit after each episode, and some of the explanations there were super useful.
1 hour ago, Paloma said:Another big thing I was confused about is who could still exist in the origin world after things were fixed. I understand that the ones directly resulting from the "knot" were never born (Jonas, Charlotte, Franziska, Elisabeth, Tronte, Ulrich, Martha, Magnus, Mikkel), but who else would have been erased or never born in the origin world?
So the show started with four "main" families:
Nielsen - wiped out, all resulted from the knot. Technically, Jana, Ulrich's mother, exists, but is likely not relevant to the 6 characters at the end).
Kahnwald - still exist, but as Ines never adopted Mikkel, she probably didn't have children so this line died out.
Tiedemann - Doris and Egon have Claudia, but she ends up marrying Bernd (who has always been Regina's father in all timelines), we just didn't know until the end.
Doppler - Regina as we found out, and of course Helge and Peter. There's no Charlotte, so their children don't exist.
Katharina and Hannah are only part of the families by marriage, so their ancestors are still there too.
I think you have the main list of people that would not have existed - Silja doesn't exist as she's the result of the time travel, and Bartosz doesn't seem to exist either (though he could, see below). Their children Agnes and Noah also don't exist, thus the Nielsens and Charlotte/Elisabeth/Franziska).
1 hour ago, Paloma said:For example, Regina's husband in the alt-worlds came from outside Winden and never time-traveled, so why couldn't Alexander and Regina have met in the origin world and had Bartosz? I think one of the videos I watched about the ending said that they wouldn't have met because Alexander didn't need to save her from Ulrich and Katherina in 1986, but he could have met Regina another way after coming to Winden.
Even though there no loops anymore in the real world, I'm assuming that Alexander's life still occurred the same way. I don't think his intention was ever to stop in Winden. If you remember his introduction, he had been shot and was running through the woods, came across Regina and saved her, then fainted from the wound. Regina ends up helping him, and it starts their relationship. It's at that point that he decides to stay (he buries his original passport after meeting her) and then gets the power plant job.
Without meeting Regina in the forest, he could either die from the wound, or keep running and end up somewhere else where he either is caught or lives under the assumed name somewhere else. I believe that without the Unknown Trio the power plant isn't built (no cooling towers in the background) so no job for him either. So while Bartosz could exist in theory as both his parents exist, they don't meet so he doesn't. This part was quite sad for me - it was clear that Regina and Alexander really loved each other and had a good marriage, but Regina does seem happy in the end.
Check out the official website: https://darknetflix.io/en/family-tree
I didn't discover it until after I finished the show, but it is really well done, and you can choose what episode you're on to prevent spoilers. Just a tip, the site allows you to click on a character and see their story chronologically. When you get to the end with Jonas, the website will "dissolve" the paradox characters and leave everyone else.
28 minutes ago, Paloma said:Just thought of another question: Why did the Unknown trio (who we now know to be the son of Martha and Jonas at different ages) kill old Bernd Doppler in his home? I don't see how his death at that age or that point in time would affect anything.
If I remember correctly they were asking him for the keys? And I think this is the same episode where they kill Jasmin, Claudia's secretary. And then at the end, they give the keys and booklet on the Power Plant Volume Control to Eva. I think the Trio uses these items to cause the "accident" at the plant in June of 86 which causes all the loops/time travel.
I have a theory based on something Claudia said, which is that Regina can live in the real world because she is not descended from the loop. Within the loop, she always dies. So my theory is that this applies to everyone who can exist in the real world - Bernd, Helge, Peter, Egon, Claudia, Regina, Bartosz, Hannah, Katharina - all are murdered within the loops. Everyone else lives, but they're all the paradox characters. Mikkel commits suicide so I won't count him, and I'm not counting the kids that were killed because of time travel. Not sure if I missed anyone else? I'm not sure if I should count Bartosz, since he could exist, but technically doesn't.
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3 hours ago, Paloma said:
Overall I was satisfied with the explanation with the idea of an origin world and how the alternate worlds came into being, but there were several times during season 3 that I felt like giving up because I could not keep track of the various versions of the people and worlds...especially when they were flipping backward and forward with the years. I've watched a couple of explanatory videos (thanks, @dbklmt for pointing me to one that was helpful), but I still have questions.
Some of the questions are about Silja:
(1) In what world and time was she born? (And maybe related, where/when did Hannah go after she decided not to abort Egon's baby? In other words, where/when did she go through the pregnancy months?)
(2) When hugely pregnant Hannah started bleeding, I thought she would lose the baby. How was she saved? Was that the purpose of old Egon T. showing up in that world/time?
(3) When Hannah and child Silja showed up in the 1800s (don't remember the exact year) to see Jonas (who was still relatively young but starting to look like old Adam), Jonas said that she and Silja were wrong there (or words to that effect), and he murdered Hannah in her bed. But instead of murdering Silja in her bed, which would have been easy to do with a pillow because she was sleeping, he woke her, told her he was going to show her something while her mother rested, and carried her out of the room. Where/when did he take her, and why would he have let her live when she was presumably just as "wrong" in this time/place as Hannah was?
(4) In the late 1800s or maybe early 1900s, a teen or young adult Bartosz met a teen or young adult Silja in the woods, and they apparently ended up marrying and having a baby a few years later. Was that Silja the same one (same world) that Jonas carried out of the bedroom after he murdered Hannah? Who raised her? (5) How did she end up in the post-apocalyptic future?
(1) I don't think it was ever shown, probably because it's not as relevant to the story. Hannah herself only had the 33 year increment time machine, so she either stayed in 54 or went to 87. Based on her and Silja's clothing those are the two time period I'd guess she was in. A few years later they are found by Eva, who tells Hannah where Jonas is and probably uses the gold orb to send them to his time period (as they show up in the early 1900s outside of the 33 year loop).
(2) Hugely pregnant Alt-Hannah *did* have a miscarriage due to the apocalypse (if you look closely at the family tree the alt world does not show Hannah and Ulrich having a child). Alt-Old-Egon saves Alt-Hannah from the apocalypse and brings her to Alt-1954, at which point she has the affair with Alt-Young-Egon and gives birth to Alt-Silja, without whom much of the family tree wouldn't exist.
(3) I believe it is the early 1900s at this point. Jonas sends Silja to be raised in the future post apocalypse world (probably by Elisabeth) so that she can return as an adult in the 1890s, meet Bartosz, and kickstart the family tree. Hannah is wrong, mainly because she has served her purpose of bringing Silja to Jonas. Silja is wrong because she is too young at this point to meet Bartosz and have the children (who have already been born in 1904 & 1911).
(4) Yes, same Silja. I think Jonas uses the God particle to send Silja to the 2040s, where she is raised by Elisabeth (she's her translator in the beginning of Season 2). In 2053, Adam and his followers have moved their base of operations to the future - Adams sends everyone in different directions (or rather to different times!). Silja is sent to the 1890s to meet Bartosz.
Hope this helps!
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3 hours ago, MaryPatShelby said:
Can anyone explain the flashback that started the show, with Linda and her husband at the hospital? I missed or didn't understand what Linda had to "get through" - was it a D&C maybe?
I got the impression that it wasn't just an early miscarriage / D&C, but that she was having to birth her stillborn baby. She looked pretty far along in pregnancy, and I think if the baby dies that far along the mother unfortunately has to go through the experience of childbirth for a stillborn.
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On 4/15/2020 at 6:29 PM, peachmangosteen said:
Pearl is just like her mother honestly. It is such a dick move for her to be fucking around with Tripp while lying to Moody. Fucking hell, she's even taking Tripp to Moody's special place, which is like a whole other level of asshole!
OMG this part bothered me so much! The two of them lying to Moody is bad enough, but to use his special place to do it is pretty cruel.
On 4/16/2020 at 11:47 AM, tennisgurl said:Mia is still lying, even when she acts like she is telling Bebe the truth! It wasn't just that she got pregnant and dumped the guy and ran with their baby, she was a surrogate! Thats a totally different situation and she knows it.
That's a good point. She can't even be honest with Bebe when she's giving her reason for not taking the stand.
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Also, did anyone notice that in the last shot, Mia was driving on the wrong side of the road? Probably they just did that to get the shot of the "Shaker Heights" sign, but it looks like Mia's leaving town and driving on the wrong side!
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12 hours ago, LeGrandElephant said:
I thought I’d heard that women giving up babies for adoption have some time in which they can change their minds, but I don’t actually know the details of that at all and I don’t know what I think the rules *should* be. (I think that’s a big reason a lot of people don’t like the idea of adopting, for instance.)
You're right that those women have a few days to change their mind, but that's a situation where the intended parents are completely adoptive. Those parents have no biological ties, and the mother can change her mind and retain full custody. In Mia's case, Jesse Williams is the biological father of the baby, so it's not quite as easy for Mia to change her mind because he would still have rights as the father.
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On 3/26/2020 at 1:03 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:
I initially liked Pearl and Moody's friendship but I liked it a lot less when it became obvious that he liked her. He started acting somewhat possessive of her which I found annoying because she's allowed to have more than one friend. Just because he was the first nice person to her doesn't mean he gets first dibs on her time. He clearly didn't want to go to the party after the dance which is why she acquiesced and they went to his house to watch the movie instead.
I understand that friendship can be complicated, but Moody is making this all about him. He doesn't really care that Lexie is using Pearl for street cred. He just cares that Pearl is hanging out with someone other than him.
You can't help who you like so I don't blame Moody for liking Pearl, but by the same token you also can't help it if you don't see someone as more than a friend. Pearl doesn't owe Moody anything just because he likes her but he's acting like she's actively insulting him by simply not picking up on all of his hints. I fear that Moody will find out about Trip and Pearl and that he will put the majority of the blame on Pearl (who had no reason not to like Trip or want to sleep with him) instead of Trp (who knew that his brother liked her and slept with her anyway).
I don't know, I didn't think Moody was that possessive - to be honest I kind of thought Pearl was being a bad friend. They had already made plans to skip the dance and watch the movie instead. She convinced him to do both, and then was pretty obvious about only wanting to go the after party because Trip and Lexie were going to be there. I think Moody snapped at her then because he was hurt. He's been a good friend to her, and while she's obviously under no obligation to accept his friendship, they have been good friends up till the dance. But from his perspective, she basically blowing him off to spend time with his more popular siblings. I think many teens would be hurt by that.
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I thought there was something off about Gabe the entire time - he was the only teen that didn't have a realistic, skeptical reaction to the keys, and was instead all in with believing magic. So finding out he was Dodge the entire time was a nice touch, the actor was great at the end portraying the demon version.
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5 hours ago, Armchair Critic said:
I have not read the book but I wonder if Mia was raped by the guy on the train and that's Pearl's father?
I was wondering the same thing, they seem like nightmares, and Mia seems like she's running. If he's maybe powerful or influential, she might be worried that he'd want custody.
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1 hour ago, CurlyATX said:
I also thought it was weird as hell for Mia to step in on the book club.
I was wondering if maybe Mia was arrested, and trashed her own record but kept the rest. And then tried to maybe save Elena during the book club to throw her suspicions off/have her feel indebted to Mia.
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31 minutes ago, Dminches said:
Why didn't Linda and her husband just go out and adopt a baby after it became clear she shouldn't get pregnant? Why was May Ling the only baby they could adopt? Makes no sense to me other than to create drama.
They did, but it can take years to get approved, especially if you're looking for a healthy infant vs. and older child. And probably it just so happened that when May Ling was found they were next on the list. Super contrived, but these things tend to happen to move plots along.
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3 hours ago, Enero said:
Totally predicted that Elena’s friend’s adopted baby would be the daughter of Mia’s co-worker. Why Mia would tell her co-worker that she found the baby is beyond me. Bad move. The co-worker walking in on the party was disastrous. SMH. No good will come from that. Also, I totally called Izzy being gay or bi-sexual. She probably came on to her best friend, which led to the end of their friendship.
Yes, I wish Mia had tried harder to stop her from going to the party. I can't imagine how hard that would have been for the coworker, to know where her daughter was and not go get her. But I think legally she'd have a better shot if she went straight through a lawyer.
3 hours ago, Enero said:Also, I totally called Izzy being gay or bi-sexual. She probably came on to her best friend, which led to the end of their friendship.
So I feel it's something more than this - maybe it was just me, but it felt like the friend seemed almost...jealous? That Izzy was dancing with / kissing that other kid. And Izzy doesn't seem to know why they're not friends anymore (she asked in the bathroom why). I think if she'd made a pass that had been rejected she'd understand why the other girl didn't want to be friends. I almost wonder if the friend is the one that is gay or bisexual and has feelings for Izzy, and is starting rumors about her because she's having trouble processing it.
3 hours ago, Enero said:I’m finding that I don’t dislike any of these characters, they’re all (the main characters at least -Mia, Pearl, Izzy and Elena) interesting and have perspectives that can be considered valid. I do think Mia is the way she is due to past experiences, being a single black mother and all that goes with that, but that she’s running from something too. I’ll admit though we need more insight into who she is, what makes her the way she is.
Agree with everything you've said here!
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I'm liking this show, some good lines. I didn't realize, was this the finale?
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On 3/20/2020 at 12:36 PM, saber5055 said:
Can someone help explain Benny's timeline. He and Dex dated before he got married and had a child, correct? But then Dex joined the military and Benny left his wife and kid to follow her to Iraq (or wherever)? Did he get a divorce first? Did he date Dex after that and she left for the military anyway? She found a ring and thought Benny was going to propose, but didn't she find the ring after she came back stateside? So how could he be proposing on that military base? Weren't they stationed near each other, or on the same base? If so, why didn't he just walk over to her barracks?
I like that Dex appears to wear Cobie's real clothes, like her t-shirt with the frayed neck in this episode. She dresses like a real person, not an actor who is dressed by the Wardrobe Dept.
I think they dated in college? But then his mother didn't like her / think she was right for the family, and he decided to do his duty and broke up with Dex. So he got married and had a child, and Dex ended up joining the military. Eventually he realized he couldn't stay in the marriage and got a divorce and joined the military after Dex. But I don't think they had contact, I'm pretty Dex has been clear that she didn't ask him to join, and that he didn't leave his family for an affair with her. The video chat gave me the impression that although on his end he wanted to get back together, she didn't want to be responsible for breaking up the family/marriage.
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Would CPR be really be needed/helpful for a brain/head injury? I'd imagine it would need to be a severe injury for circulation to stop, in which case Jughead may not have survived (or may not have complete recovery). That part just seemed off to me. But otherwise I quite liked this episode.
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6 hours ago, tennisgurl said:
Mia constantly moving her and Pearl around, forcing her to have to start again and make new friends and get used to new towns over and over again, seems rather selfish, especially as it seems to be just on her whims.
Mia's dreams and her response to the security guard catching Moody and Pearl gave me the impression that she was running from someone, but Pearl doesn't know about it.
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Did anyone else catch what Randall said about William? Something like, "When the treatment became too painful I allowed him to choose to end it." I can't remember, but did William want to stop treatment earlier in season 1, but Randall wouldn't let him? He seems so focused on saving their physical lives that he forgets about quality of life. I just found that statement so horrible, poor William! I'm sure William himself felt as guilted as Rebecca into continuing treatment after he gave Randall up for adoption. These are adults who have a right to choose how to spend what little time they have left.
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Anyone else watching? I haven't read the books, but I enjoyed the first episode. Loved the scene showing the two women separated from their daughters (Elena/Izzy by the door, Mia/Pearl by the wall).
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I knew it! Or rather, I'd suspected Nancy was Lucy's daughter, because there was a throw away comment earlier in the season that they'd spent Nancy's earlier life in Europe, which seemed like a dead give away that she was adopted. Although my original theory had been that maybe Kate Drew was a new identity for Lucy - but that was before I knew the timeline and that Kate had been her guidance counselor.
So story wise I think it's a good twist - adaptation wise it's horrible! Why on earth was this show called Nancy Drew? The longer the show goes on the further it strays from the source material...and now she's not really Nancy Drew, but Nancy Hudson?!
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I like how Jack's NYC activity ends up based on Home Alone 2 - I think it must have been nice for Kevin to realize that his father appreciated something he'd shared with him.
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S01.E07: Chapter 7
in Perry Mason (2020)
I think they needed a fourth man for the plan to work. Seidel probably hired Ennis (and Gannon) for the job - and since Ennis and Seidel and worked with the 2 men from Denver, they were brought on as well. One man on the phone with the Dodson's, second holding the baby in the train, third to drive the second away, and fourth (Ennis) to grab the money once the Dodson's left to get the baby.
Most likely not - probably the whorehouse had ways of getting rid of unwanted pregnancies, and even if she'd had a baby she probably had to give it up. She either had a baby at some point, and "breastfeeding" her clients kept up her milk supply, or she never had one and they just induced it to attract clients with the kink.
Drake mentioned that she "had a lot going on upstairs" and looked down at his chest, indicating she was well-endowed, which breast feeding can lead to.