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I sacrificed the better half of this weekend to watching this show for the first time, marathoning my way through seasons 1 and 2 and now finally catching up with these latest episodes
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And I'm sure things (in terms of the bigger picture) WILL end badly. For now it's all sunshine and roses when it comes to Ecbert's ideas of "sharing cultures", but he's under the false impression that he's got the Vikings on his leash - and they're definitely not.Welcome aboard the dragon boat! You must have a big feast in your head you are still digesting. Though I envy you getting to see Seasons 1 and 2 without the weekly wait.
I think Ecbert's worst false impression is that he has his son on his leash. It's the intolerant son who I'm pretty sure is going to be the fly in the ointment for both the vikings as well as Ecbert's plans for peace. What to speak of poor Athelstan when said dude finds out his wife, Judith, has the hots for our lost little monk and his bleeding hands that has her turned on so. He may be worse for Athelstan's future health than all of Floki's threats combined.
Yeah, I wonder if the wanderer is a Christian. Good thing Floki is far, far away at the moment. It would be quite the shock if the men come home to find all the women and children have been baptized.
I don't think in any way that the wanderer is Christian. Think he is more out of Norse lore but don't know all the details. There was a scene in Season 1 where a still pregnant Lagertha was in charge at Kattegat with Ragnar away raiding his little heart out. Some woman was charged with having a baby by a wandering stranger the couple had taken in and given shelter to. The husband was quite upset at the developments but Lagertha managed to nip it in the bud saying it had to be Heimdal (sp?) in some form or other who stopped by to honor them by conceiving one of his sons with the guy's wife. She let the woman off as being "blessed by the gods" and told the husband not to even look crossed-eyed at her for that or the Wrath of Lagertha would take him down basically. He looked none too happy as he shuffled off, hah.
Now I don't know Norse mythology worth a darn but I have heard of Heimdal vaguely. Just don't know his story. Guess I should wiki it before next week's episode cause maybe the men will come home not to find Ragnar's and Floki's wives and Rollo's on again and off again partner in crime not baptized but rather having conceived whilst they were away playing in England.
Also Christianity is several hundred years away from taking down paganism in Scandinavia. Though this show does play a little loose with the timelines which is okay since one of their main themes is when two worlds collide. So if they want to keep Ragnar around for a few more centuries, fine by me.
... Also, I find it amusing that a queen, a former jarl's wife, and a (former?) slave are just hanging out together, though I hope that their dialog goes beyond dream matching.I don't think Helga was ever a slave. Maybe you are confusing her with the slave that Rollo raped in the second episode of the show. I know I did when I first saw Helga. After all the raped woman seemed to be Floki's slave and we never saw her again afterwards. Then Helga pops up in the storyline later I think when Ragnar was wounded and they went to Floki's to hide out and recover. So I was confused and even went back and doubled checked. From that double checking I can say they are definitely not the same woman. Different actors totally.
Also rulers and regular folk just intermingle more in a small, rustic society. The titles just got bloated and more snobby over the years as populations grew and countries developed etc. We have the more modern stereotype of a queen or an earl set in our brains and we tend to forget how small populations were 1200 years ago where everyone knew everyone else.
I thought Ecbert mentioned about the Saxons being pagans at some point last season.
Yep. I remember it. It was early on when some others were demeaning the vikings as pagans and how could they trust them cause it meant they had no honor etc etc. He spoke up at that point to remind them that "it wasn't so long ago" their ancestors had also been pagans. He added that did that make their own ancestors without honor or love and care less for their families etc because they were pagans?
Ecbert has been shown to be as interested in paganism as Ragnar is in Christianity if not more so. Remember Ecbert loves him some Roman statues, scrolls, frescoes and of course his beloved hot tub. (But don't even tell Ecbert's own son that, Athelstan, or Ecbert will have to kill you for it).
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For some reason I am having a very hard time keeping track of everyone this season.
That is because they are all the same. Dating couples. On TAR you need easy physical cues to separate teams early on in the race. That's how us humans work. We need something to pop out early to ID people on fast-paced TV shows.
But there are no women only teams, no age difference (parent/kid) teams to cue on. After this episode the only two teams that are easy to identify quickly by physical cues are the Black & Asian lawyer team and the "stocky" shall we call them truck stop team. Also truck stop has only male with a beard. Then there are also 2 male only teams and I know one of them dresses in matching greens but that is about it for them.
Then there seems to be like a ton of 20-something white-white couples and I have no idea who any of them are. They just meld together into a mess of blah and bland.
PS: twilightzone, we think alike and post at the same time, hah.
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Loved it! I'm a lawyer, and that's what lawyers are trained to do--carefully read and analyze a written document. As soon as Jenny said "let's read the clue again" I knew they would win. My people!
But sometimes you can analyze and parse the wording way too much too. Did you see Season 3? On that season the two young Harvard law school grads took a cab to the finish line after the last task they had in Lisbon. While in the cab they re-read the clue. It said they had to "walk to the pit stop." After some lawyerly discussion they decided that "walk to the pit stop" really meant they could take a cab to the pit stop (!?!). Just "walk" and not run to the mat itself after they got out of the cab. (?!?)
They "arrived" first and then later there was a sit down with Phil, them and the last place team that got saved by this brain fart. In the little pow-wow Phil explained to them what "walk to the pit stop" really meant and oh yes have fun in Squesterville.
I'm rooting for this season's lawyer team but hope they don't "over-parse" like Season 3's lawyer team of Heather & Eve did.
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What was up with the sleeping arrangements? With all that product placement, I hope it's not budget problems.
Old school TAR when they stayed in jungle camps and one single rustic open dorm space (TAR2) and just beds alone in a vast desert vista (TAR7). Also means eat, sleep and mingle are back but we don't get to see it.
As someone posted above, the train they actual used apparently was not a bullet train...so they lost additional time there.
I think it was a bullet train. It certainly looked like one and they wouldn't have regular trains running on the same tracks as bullet trains. Two totally different railroad technologies can't co-mingle like that. Mention above was about an emergency stop. (mtlchick's post).
Still hate dating couples and this format. Maybe that's why the only team I like are the lawyers who have made it very clear they are a "buddy team." Really hate to see Phil reduced to hosting a trash TV romantic nonsense show. I want the real TAR back. The one that made me feel awe and wonder and not cringe-worthy crap.
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I'm still thinking about Rollo killing that guy. Was he an enemy, lying there playing possum and then Rollo thought he saw the guy breathing and decided to whack off his leg to see if he was, in fact, dead or playing possum? Anyway, I still felt bad for him getting hacked up. Then again, this is Viking world.
I loved the expression on Floki's face when Princess Krazypants was going all stabby on her uncle's head: "And I thought I was crazy!"
Speaking of heads, those head mobiles on the ship were cool; loved the expression on Ragnar's face. He really is devilish-looking.
The guy was one of their prisoners. There were other prisoners sitting around near him too. (See the light brown colored jerkins they were all wearing). He was just the only one trying to take a nap and was lying down.
Meanwhile Rollo was tripping his brains out on good old-fashioned magic mushrooms though I got the impression he didn't know what they would do since they were local ones and he thought they were just a snack maybe. Anyway, being a Viking, he wasn't into peace, love and seeking truth while enjoying those effects. More like "awesome new reason to hack off a leg" instead. Kind of turned him into a real life Viking "beserker" though a different intoxicant was used for that.
David, I don't think most of the dreams or waking visions can be explained away on the show except the Virgin Mary one when it turned out to be the beaten wife Athelstan had saved instead. I think they seem to give us the view points of the Vikings and English on this show as just basically fact for their world. I agree the three women dreaming the same dream may impact the more skeptical viewers looking to interpret things into 21st century terms. But for me, I always took all of them at face value. It's their world and it is real for them ... even if Ecbert can't quite see dwarfs himself, heh. But I agree the three dreams and the very real stranger are indeed an interesting twist and raising the dream/vision level to a point that even modern day skeptics have to take note of it.
Loving that Floki is in his element and is happily enjoying that he can be of service to people by chopping off body parts for them.
Awesome "Hanging Heads, Grinning Ragnar" montage.
And you can believe Ecbert has an agenda with his courtship of Lagertha. Ecbert might actually like her but he is always playing the game first, last and foremost. If his personal desire (Lagertha) and his goal (more power) are in synch, so much the better.
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Why don't you like the location being given beforehand? I'm truly curious as I personally don't understand what difference it could make to your viewing. Thanks.
Since this was addressed to me ... Easy. I like to be surprised. Just like I like to be surprised as to who finishes first or last. I don't like to feel like I'm watching a repeat show I've already seen due to a bunch of spoilers. I went a couple of seasons with spoilers some years back now and it just left me with a totally stale and jaded feeling when viewing the episode. I'll never do spoilers again.
I love to learn the next location when the teams find out ripping the clue. To imagine myself ripping the clue open like it was Christmas morning. it's one of the highlights of an episode for me. A new day, a new part of the world. How awesome is that. The whole planet as your playground. Any spoiling like that takes away from the enjoyment of the show to me.
Hate the love boat format. Corny stuff. Hate dating couples on TAR period. Bring back real TAR. I can handle 2 or 3 of these teams in a season, but all? Yuk. I hate soap opera stuff period. Add in those stupid, childish selfies and it is going to be a very long season.
Glad we saw maybe the best of seasons since the TAR classic era last race. Cause this season I'll be ripping TAR online big time for the first time since TAR Family Edition. And they had my beloved Mama Paolo on that edition. I have seen this new cast and no one is worthy of carrying the shoes of Mama Paolo.
I don't hate all the teams per se. I hate them all balled together and shoved in my face like some trash TV dating game show.
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^ Yes, thanks.
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I’m not happy with Goffman or Tom’s recent interviews about Ichabbie. Though I agree they should not become a couple right now, I am concerned with Goffman always claiming the mission needs to come first whenever Ichabbie becoming ‘a thing’ is brought up. He hasn’t cared about the mission all season, hence why we got so much Crane family drama. The mission took a back seat all season to Crane’s familial problems and of all things, the Cranes having a date night. Anti-Ichabbie sentiment is really anti Abbie/Nicole sentiment and the downplaying of the Abbie character is essentially what has sunk this show.
Likewise, I woke up this morning to Tom saying Ichabbie should remain buddies as anything else would again ruin things. Like, WTF? How much worse can things get? Everyone knows the public loves Ichabbie, and clearly want them together, so how could their pairing ruin things? Ruin it for who? The Sandras of the world they’re still pandering to? I wish I could have faith in these writers, but I don’t. If they get a season three expect more male and female cock blockers being brought in to keep the Witnesses away from each other. It’s like these fools never learn.
Whoa. I'm part of the public too and I hate all soap opera stuff like I said before here. This show to me is a buddy movie where Abbie & Ichabod save the world every other week. And a buddy movie format doesn't downplay Abbie's character. Makes her stronger cause she doesn't need to have some guy to make her feel whole. She has her quest and her calling. Her special destiny like all heroes have and that is more than enough. Because saving the world seems far far more important than boring (to me) personal romance stuff. After all, no world, no time for romance for anyone. Priorities. A hero has priorities. Soldiers win wars first then go home to personal lives. So yeah I'm fine you like what you like. But please allow others to like what we like without assuming we like Abbie less.
Mean no respect to your pov. Just I kind of felt I wasn't allowed to have a different pov without being accused of being anti-Abbie.
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^ Why all the last names? They mean nothing to me. They never show last names on The Amazing Race. We know TAR folks by the team name of something like Jack & Jill or Frick & Frack or something like that. So the above is pretty much still all Greek to me.
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But this isn't CBS. I don't go to their website.
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Floki is the truest viking of them all. Totally old school. He has visions, feels the planks in trees, seeks the roots of mountains and honors the Norse Gods. His take on life is totally a non current day take and his almost magical abilities at times have been lost from most of modern day men which is more the pity.
Of course he hates Athelstan because Athelstan represents the new God and the new culture that doesn't respect his Gods. His way of life is threaten. Nay, his very ground of being and purpose for existence. Much like the Native Americans' way of life was threaten and largely destroyed by the arrival of the white man. His reaction is quite understandable if horribly unfortunate for Athelstan.
Ragnar sees the future too and is trying to seek a middle ground. Ditto for Ecbert. But people like Floki on one end and Whatever-wulf (Ecbert's son) on the other are too invested in their particular outlook on life which defines them as human beings. Anytime there are two cultures meeting in world history this type of person -- which I would argue is the overwhelming majority in most cases -- gets frightened by change and reacts harshly one against the other. Always has been this way and unfortunately will probably always be so. So I don't get upset at Floki because it is totally understandable what he is going through. I feel for him.
I do feel for Athelstan more though. He is basically a man without a country (culture/religion) now having one foot in each and unable to find a comfortable bridge between the two. Both he and Floki are having a hard time with the meeting of the two worlds each in his own way. Because when two worlds meet they don't meet in the abstract. They meet in the flesh and blood and hearts and souls of all those that live that meeting. I think the creator of this show has been brilliant in dramatizing this so well. Kudos to him.
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No, he's Jonathan Knight, one of the New Kids on the Block.
Okay. Thanks a lot. Not into pop culture. Got to be rock for me so I don't know pop groups and singers from nothing. Appreciate the reply.
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Oh, my God. They killed Franklin!
Well until Grace called "backsies" on that.
I'm 99% sure that after Katrina died, Ichabod picked up her grimoire from the floor where it fell.
Yep. He most definitely picked up the book.
And there should be no worries about endless mourning by Ichabod. Someone quoted a Mison interview on one of the other threads here that said that people have had enough of "the Crane family drama" adding words like "maudlin" to the mix and made it clear it was over. He also made it clear he didn't like the milk-toast Crane he had to play this past season as well and was glad to be back to the Crane he likes and believes in.
In short, our great national nightmare is over. Period.
I think Fox will renew now for sure and we will have the Fantastic Four vs the original headless Headless. There are zillions of demons not named Moloch who want a hand at bringing about the apocalypse. And there is Andy of the backward head I'd love to see return tho he is more a caught in the middle guy than a villain. But there is always villains for heroes to defeat from the beginning of time. No way do they run out of storylines. Heck in the episode before this the librarian they went to looked like she was one of the witches that was being awaken. If you can't even trust your local librarian they will be hip deep in baddies.
Now my question. What happened to useless blonde dude that was taking Jenny's job over of finding artifacts? I was away and missed that episode. Someone promise me he is gone too.
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Who is Jonathan? Not the villainous Jonathan from Season 6 is he?
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So is there both the Wednesday premier AND a normal Friday episode this week? I'm unclear about this Friday and our cable company's website has the worst schedule layout in creation.
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Why was the first location spoiled in the topic heading? I try hard to avoid any spoilers especially the locations they are going to out of the gate. I don't even open the episode thread until after the episode ends so as not to read the blurb. Yeah I know the previews often contain that stuff but the first episode I always liked to be surprised by. And some people on here may even avoid the previews in season to keep locations unspoiled. Just wondering if the location destination really needs to be in the heading topic. Thanks for listening.
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Well, given that Ichabod said the exact same words to Abbie that Henry said to Danielle: "I came to rescue you..." I think the Ever After parallel is a good one...
Oh now I remember the Luke/Leia part - but I still like Ever After parallel better... Past Ichabod was much more badass, imo, than current Ichabod seems to be... he had mad fighting skills...
I just meant the original quote and funny irony scene thereof originated back in 1977 in Star Wars. Like to give the creator, George Lucas, his due.
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Eeee this reminded me of Ever After when the Prince arrives after Danielle has saved herself, I'm sure that allusion isn't saying something.
More like Luke to Princess Leia in the original first Star Wars I'd say. Leia had to finally grab the gun and cover him as she pushed him down garbage shoot.
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Ok is it wrong that my immediate reaction was to literally sing aloud "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead"?!?
Because if it was then I don't wanna be right!
I think we all did. Finally! All we need is Headless and we are ready for the real Sleepy Hollow again.
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The lady who wanted to see Athelstan's hand is married to hot King Ecbert's douche son.
Yes that was Judith, daughter of King Aella (sp?) of Northumbria and given in marriage to said douche son last season. Remember the dueling weddings segment with him and Judith and Floki and Helga getting married at the same time. Anyway it was to cement the Wessex-Northumbria alliance of power planning to split up Mercia between them eventually. Unless that changed with Crazy Princess becoming an ally and not a patsy for them. Or maybe an ally for Ecbert vs Northumbria. Ecbert is always playing the game as we can clearly see.
Once they got to Wessex and started speaking English, Old English(?), and Norse (coupled with the subtitles and my closed-captioning), my head was spinning. I don't think they've ever switch between all 3 languages so often before. Am I understanding correctly that in addition to Athelstan, Ragnar & Princess Crazy are bilingual? I thought they both needed translator's last season.Ragnar started learning Old English from Athelstan very early on in Season 1 which is 5 or 6 years ago or more in the time line and seems quite fluent in it. The Princess only talked to him so I assume she knows no Norse. King Ecbert learned some Norse from Athelstan but his level of language mastery is way below Ragnar's. His was more for diplomatic purposes with simply greetings etc. Ragnar seems to have immersed himself enough into Old English to get by quite well in it.Great they started the season nice and easy like a family reunion where we can get caught up. Let's see, Bjourn's wife has spent a full year training as a shield maiden now. Rollo and Siggy seem less "together" then when we last saw them. Wonder what happened in the meantime. Lagertha has got a young dude chief lieutenant who is trying to play her. Not good for the dude. And Floki remains Floki and his scene with Helga was totally completely off the charts brilliant.The weird scene was between Ragnar and Athelstan at the beginning. We know Athelstan is all "go, team pagan" with a few guilt-filled moments when handling crosses or killing innocent fellow English or reading illuminated manuscripts. But Ragnar mentioned he was the same in the opposite way and even mentioned John the Baptist (?!?) in that convo. Ragnar dipping his toes in multi-religion leanings? (More Gods, more victories!). Do not tell Floki about this.Then there is Something-wulf, Ecbert's son, who thinks multi-religion views don't go too well together. At least he and Floki are on the same page though different books. He will be the fly in the ointment in England this season for sure. Cause dear old Dad doesn't mind a little Paganism with his Christianity. Especially if the pagan is as comely and awesome as Lagertha. (Did you know he likes her? Athelstan told me so).The writer/creator's vision, the talented actors, the awesome cinematography, the wonderful costumes, the brilliant dialog, the everything. Vikings is the best damn show on TV! Glad to have it back.-
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Abbie and Ichabod can absolutely come together in a beautiful, organic way. I am in complete agreement that the Katrina/Henry/Ichabod story was handled in a ridiculous, fuckwitted way. My objection is that instead trying to resolve the situation organically, the show doubled-down on ridiculous fuckwittery. My concern is that the show has learned the wrong lesson. That they've learned that ridiculous fuckwittery is okay as long as it gives the the fans what they says that they want. That there'll be a meeting on set where somebody says, "Okay, the fans want Ichabod and Abbie to be a couple, but that'll take time and be hard to write with subtely and nuance. So, fuck it, let's bring in the goat-people. As long as we get where they want to go, they won't care how we get there."
This viewer doesn't want a romance crap thing. I hate soap operas. I want a buddy movie with Abby and Ichabod. So please don't say "fans want XYZ" like we are The Borg and think collectively.
As far as fans running a show. Or rather viewers. I hate the term fans. Been that way since the invention of television. Give the viewers what they want or they leave and you get cancelled. It's always been about the ratings to keep the sponsors to make money for the network. Hardly revolutionary. Just TV biz as usual.
If Sleepy Hollow is crashing and burning you either fix it asap or cancel it. At least they are trying for a fix first which is more than a lot of shows get.
(Sorry for two posts in a row. Me bad).
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And a Princess Bride call out - "never get in a land war in Asia". A Princess Bride reference is always a good thing in my book.
Isn't that a General Douglas MacArthur call out? A pretty famous one too.
Nice to see them trying to fix the show. Hope it isn't too little too late.
I liked Henry when he was the Sin Eater popping in occasionally. Too bad they ruined the character and had to kill him off. Rather they killed off Katrina cause I don't want to see her ever again good, bad or ugly.
I missed a few episode due to travel. Did they off that blonde artifacts gopher dude too? I hope so.
I want Abby, Ichabod, Jenny, Irving, HEADLESS Horseman and Andy is it (dead cop with head on backwards a lot anyway). That's it. Maybe a few guest visits by former dead sheriff #1 and/or current sheriff #3. Then the Demon of the Week helping out the HEADLESS Horseman's many plots. Make sure Headless always brings along both his axe and his AK-47. That is when the show is at it's best.
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No problem. I make more mistakes then 10 other people combined. Thank goodness for the edit feature. :-)
Off to re-watch some or most of the Season 2 re-broadcast. The season 1 re-broadcast featured ads at least once every episode showing stuff from season 3. Some of them feature individual characters ads. According to the Floki one he still likes his old school gods and distrusts the new one. At least some things never change with Vikings, hah.
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Hi all! I just caught up on all the episodes and am ready for Season3. What a find this show has been. I watched the first season on Amazon last spring, noticed in December the 2nd one was available and convinced my husband to join me. Well now we are both obsessed.
Our favorite shows are The Walking Dead, GoT and Outlander. I have to say that we both think this might be the best of them all. Maybe it's because it's not really bound to a source material. It's fast paced and never dull. Only problem now will be waiting a week for each episode!
Or maybe because it is bound to a source material in that a lot of the stuff you see did indeed happen. It is historical FICTION but it is also HISTORICAL fiction if you know what I mean.
If you look on Wikipedia for some of these characters you will see. Ragnar is sometimes considered a construct of a man named Ragnar plus several others though Scandinavians consider him one man only. Legertha was a very real person. Bjorn was too. Ivan the Boneless and his mother were. Kings Eckbert, Horik, Allela were. Floki, Rollo and Athelstan have been "inspired" by real persons and real research though fictionalized. The first raid on the monastery happened which caused western historians to declare the official "Age of the Vikings" to begin at that point. So did the other raids for that matter but the first raid did indeed "change everything forever" as Ragnar predicted.
This season looks like it keeps the same generation but moves the actually history timeline forward maybe 20 years or more. Why switch out really good actors we all love at this point you know. Eventually if the show continues we will have to but not now.
When drama is based on real stuff it gives it an extra "pop" I feel. Right up your spine. This could have been a relative of yours are mine fighting beside Ragnar or being killed by him.
Welcome aboard btw. Looking forward to your comments as the season begins. Let us get this Vikings board rocking this season!
PS: I think I managed to spell everyone wrong but Ragnar. It's still spring training with the spelling of names so far. Sorry.
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S03.E02: The Wanderer
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Helga is referred to on the wiki simply as Floki's lover who he later marries. No mention of being a slave ever. And the official cast list has the following:
Helga - Maude Hirst
Floki's Slave Girl - Amber Jean Rowan (she is the one that Rollo raped)
Think the poster you read just got these two mixed up is all since the slave girl was seen at Floki's boat building shed before Helga appeared on the scene. Easy to do. There hasn't been any reference in the show that I ever remember where Helga was referred to as a slave or former slave. If she was I would assume the show would have mentioned that a lot.