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Any advice on how to get through these freakin’ awful episodes of this season? I’m trying… I really am. But it’s such a struggle, even with my “favourite” distracting chore of folding laundry (or playing stupid ipad games) when the show is on. Kody’s rants just make me sick and there’s too much of it. I want to watch it for all the wrong reasons (the Brown apocolypse and to stay in the loop) but they’re not making it easy. This forum is way more fun than the show!

But Ysabel had that surgery under full anaesthesia, with plenty of pain relief and other meds to make her more comfortable. She also had skilled nurses and doctors to help her getting through her ordeal. And poor AuROARa had none of that!! Just take a second to imagine the horror and pain of having your ears pierced without proper pain relief and no doctors or nurses around to support you?? So, of course Kody had to be there. It’s just a matter of priorities and common sense, Right??

Well, Meri was the one who wanted polygamy and kept pushing Kody to find a second wife (per the admissions in their book and the things they've said on the show) For whatever reason, it never occurred to her how hard it could be until it was too late. She was consumed by jealousy (and I suspect overcome by all the energy and noise that comes with 13 kids and four adults in one house back then. She was, like most people, totally unsuited for a plural lifestyle. Don't get me wrong, there is something unpleasant and selfish in her character, but polygamy brings out the worst in people. In this case, it made her flaws 10 times bigger!

Sol was supposed to be the perfect son, borne by the one true wife. He had to be as awesome, daring, cool and womanising as his dad. The son he could turn into Kody 2.0. Unfortunately, Sol is nothing like him. Being the sensitive boy he is, I suspect he is fully aware of “not living up to dad’s expectations”. There are several scenes in SW where Kody tries to push the poor kid out of his comfort zone. Sol never seems at ease when his dad is around. He even seems anxious and a little scared. And that is so sad…..

There is some truth in some of Kody's claims though. But it is interesting how he manages to twist the narrative each and every time. From their book it's obvious that: Christine was absolutely smitten with Kody. She had her dad approach Kody, she wanted to be a 3rd wife, and with them being Plyg Royalty it was essentially a no-brainer for Kody. And yes, Kody admitted there and then to be confused about his feelings for Christine, and that he wasn't sure about marrying her. By that time the courtship had progressed too far to back out, or so he felt. Not that I feel sorry for him. He's an adult and he chose to go ahead. The pros probably outweighed the cons, as pathetic as it sounds. (What a way to start a marriage!) Janelle was also actively pursuing a polygamous relationship. Kody and Meri were aware of that at the time and their marriage was mostly seen as practical from both sides. However, Kody was actively searching out Janelle, not the other way around; sending flowers to her work and taking her out for lunch. In the book, he said it actually was considered "improper" as he was already married to Meri. So yes, even in polygamist cultures, it is improper for a married man to be looking elsewhere. But it is not that hard to work your way around it (which he likely did). I suspect that Kody actively used Meri and encouraged her to befriend Robyn and explore a possible courtship.

The guy really has some very serious mental issues, whatever it is. And if someone is still in doubt about that; it’s progressing. What will he be like in 5 years time? His delusional state already is scary….

On hindsight, we learned that Kody flaunted and bent the Covid rules wherever and when he could, as long as it fitted his needs. So scared to catch it, but refusing to take the most basic precaution (the vaccine) himself. Not meeting the family for fears of catching Covid, yet meeting up with others if he wanted (e.g. that wedding he officiated). Not letting your family come for a visit, but allowing a nanny and handyman to come over because they make your life so much easier. If made me think: Who really was responsible for bringing Covid home? And wasn’t there a persistent rumor that the nanny did it? (Which technically still makes it Robyn and Kody’s fault for allowing strangers in during lockdown)

That was really interesting. Thanks for posting it. It’s probably safe to assume that Janelle and Meri had similar deals. Mortgage-wise they seemed to be safe, so why the incredible rush? They literally abandoned 4 pretty expensive houses, left lots of stuff and had no houses in Flagstaff to move to. No one in their right mind would move at that speed in such uncertain circumstances for no reason. It really felt like fleeing. On another note; Robyn’s and Christine’s documents clearly said 407k. Their houses were approximately 40k more each (excluding all the extra costs needed). Meri and Janelle likely had similar loans. In short, we’re talking around 200k that wasn’t in those mortgages. I refuse to believe they brought in their own money at the time, because they still had the Lehi house that needed to be paid for and 4 expensive rentals in Vegas. I think both Janelle and Christine mentioned several times that money was really tight at the time. Just a guess; could they have had an extra loan somewhere to cover for the rest? Possibly with the houses as collateral? (If even possible, as technically the houses are collateral for the mortgage lenders) Was that the balloon payment from all the rumors? And would running to another state solve that problem? I don’t know…I don’t get it all. Maybe they just really are incredibly stupid and irresponsible…..

About 80-120k per house. Only Robyn’s house went for almost 150k more. But… that’s based on the price they bought them for. You usually have to invest a lot more to make it move in ready and liveable. Not to mention the costs of landscaping the front and back yard. Also, it took them more than a year to sell them all. All that time they had double costs due to the ongoing mortgages and expensive rentals. A perfect way to quickly burn through their equity if you ask me.

One of Kody’s many actions I just cannot understand: Why did he encourage/beg/tell his wives to leave, instead of walking away himself? You’d think he’d want to be the one to make that decision, with his love for himself, his huge inflated ego and desire to be in control? You know, the cool dude that got rid of his awful wives? He’ll now forever be that pathetic guy going through the humiliating experience of being dumped by three of his 4 wives and hung out to dry on national tv!

From a financial point of view and how it wrecked the entire family? A lot! Probably at least 10 times a day. However, Janelle wasn’t overly fond of Vegas and struggled immensely with the heat. She seemed genuinely in love with Flagstaff and its surroundings so from that point of view, I don’t think she minded the move.

Kody’s newly acquired word of the week seems to be gaslighting. It’s interesting how he accuses everyone of gaslighting but completely fails to grasp that his behaviour is the exact definition of gaslighting. It shows how distorted his views of the world (and of himself!) have become.

Wow….look at Janelle sitting on the sofa commenting on that video…. What a huge difference! She looks absolutely stunning!! (Actually, no words could do justice to this fantastic transformation.) Kody’s two most loyal wives, who were willing to give all they had, and did so for decades, all to keep him happy, up to a point where they completely neglected themselves and had little self esteem left. The only thing they wouldn’t do, is sacrificing the bond with the children, or exposing them any longer to his insane demands and cruel treatment. It opened their eyes. They left, became a beautiful and glamorous new version of themselves and built successful careers. This must be the ultimate revenge….I’m sure Kody’s anger and frustration multiplies every time he sees Janelle or Christine! He knows what he’s lost, of that I am sure.

True, it’s the Sun, but I think that this has an element of truth in it. I’ve always believed Kody to be a very conservative and religious twat, who had very strong, fixed ideas on traditional families and role patterns. Therefore, his acceptance of Leon and Gwen being gay pleasantly surprised me. But…as sad and pathetic as it sounds, I believe that transsexuality was a bridge too far for him…Also, the harsh words the Sun allegedly quoted from Kody…well…sound exactly like Kody. I found them heart-breaking, basically no longer acknowledging Leon as his child, and very typical of a very conservative fundie, which I think he still is, deep in his heart. It would certainly explain the total lack of (SM) appearances and references of Leon and Kody together. I don’t think it’s a coincidence it happened around the same time as Leon’s coming out.

They are known for re-enacting scenes, particularly those with the entire family gathering. They've said so themselves on several occasions. The Christmas celebrations were a great example, most were filmed after Christmas... (which makes sense, what film crew would willingly spend Christmas with those idiots instead of their loved ones?)

That's interesting... Are we sure this is the same guy? I would like to point out though that this wasn't written by him (if it's the same guy). His sister did and she could have personal reasons for not mentioning them. I'm not saying that to justify it. Just to point out that these are not Preston's words. He seemed to have been in touch with his kids over the years, and they spent several summers with him in Montana. There also was a rumour about Dayton considering moving back to Montana last year, presumably to be close to his dad. As for the adoption: Nobody has any proof, so I'll just go by my gut feeling, predictability, and love for analysing patterns. This "adoption" fits the pattern of twisted truths, alternative realities and simple lies the Browns have become famous for. My gut tells me it wasn't real.

Does anyone know when and why they switched to the Tangerine Hair salon? I just stumbled upon the makeover episode of season 7. There was this very awkward moment between Kelli and Rainer when discussing Danielle's hair. They were disagreeing about hair color and the tension was palpable. Rainer looked pretty pissed off at one point, telling Kelli not to complain if Danielle didn't look good... I just wonder whether this was the beginning of the end for them and one of the reasons why they switched to Tangerine?

My apologies, I was aware you meant the other kids. For whatever reason, I forgot an essential bit in my post, which is basically what you wrote in reply. Guess that's what happens when replying to posts in the middle of the night (over here in Europe) Anyway, my ideas on Robyn's family dynamics should have been followed by explaining that she likely doesn't understand how most families develop. Relationships and priorities shift and change in most families. Just as you pointed out.

The already infamous ear-piercing scene got me thinking about Kody's twisted priorities. He'd have to play second fiddle for Ysabel's surgery. It would be all about her and he could do nothing other than sit by Ysabel's bedside and be there for her. That's hard for a selfish bastard like Kody, who wants to be front and center at all times. Enter AuRoaRa, who was so scared of having her ears pierced! An excellent opportunity be the heroic and loving dad who could swoop her up and carry her out if needed. I always thought Kody shunned any responsibility out of laziness or a lack of interest. Yet, there seems to be a pattern in him escaping (or not investing in) family gatherings or responsibility if he cannot be the center of attention. Gwen's wedding now comes to mind...

Simple; She doesn't want them to leave the nest and build their own lives. Imagine the horror of not seeing them every single day. Or even worse, a love interest that replaces her as the center of their universe? Kody seems happy to follow Robyn's lead in this. Also, because the two older girls obviously worship him, which is all he wants.

A few posts back @Meow Mix mentioned something about the Browns still paying the owner of the land and if they don’t pay it off within a certain amount of time, he can foreclose. I assumed this referred to Coyote Pass and it seems like a very real possibility to me.

In Robyn’s only defence: She wasn’t around in the “good” old times, so it’s kinda hard to compare then and now. Her knowledge about the old days are likely colored by Kody’s “recollections, who always denied her arrival had a negative impact on the fambly. However, she did know about certain traditions and blocked them because it didn’t suit her. Also, several family members voiced their concerns and unhappiness about her. Christine’s confessions about her feelings on Kody dating and marrying Robyn, and Hunter’s unhappy response on Robyn’s pregnancy are perfect examples. In short, she knew. Maybe not all, but she knew a lot! Lastly, This is reality tv; a lot is scripted and not necessarily true. But I am convinced that many things are real and not scripted; most notably the family completely revolving around Robyn and her core family and meet their needs and wishes.

Ah I didn’t know that. As far as I remember, they seemed miles apart as siblings.

Quote from @Rabbit Hutchin the live thread. Couldn’t agree more, at least from our viewer’s point of view. Truely is so clearly loved by her mother and most of her siblings. Even Janelle’s boys seemed to want to go the extra mile for her (Truely’s flower bed now comes to mind). She is always surrounded by family. And then there’s Savanah. When you see her she is either with her mom or ‘hiding’ in the back. We occasionally see her with her siblings, but doesn’t seem particularly close to any of them, definitely not with Maddie.

https://people.com/sister-wives-domino-effect-toppled-kody-brown-marriages-exclusive-7643529 Quote from Robyn: "No one should be married while they're going through a divorce" Huh? Is this another great example of the infamous Brown logics? How the heck can you divorce when not married? or when I interpret it slightly differently: Remarry when still in the process of getting divorced? Am I the big idiot here? (Which is possible: no native speaker and it is 1.30 am here in Europe, so my brains have already gone to bed...)