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I'm three episodes behind so I can't totally comment on the end of the season, but to the bolded.... i know right? My memory sucks and this is a show that I have never rewatched, but I have spent this whole season thinking "wasn't this show originally about maybe getting lost in some electrical storm that sent them forward in time and gave them powers or something?" I know they have never fully explained things but I feel like the original hints pointed to somewhere along those lines. Then season two happened and it started moving more and more towards pseudo religion and this season has been off the charts (resurrected? Seriously?) Like so many "mysterious" shows, it's clear that they're making it all up as they goes along (nothing TPTB ever say will convince me otherwise) and like so many "mysterious" shows they've gone off the rails. My favorite moment of the show is when Grace is racing through the airport parking lot or wherever, racing to see Ben and Cal after they came back. It was the emotional punch of the show that drew me in. Imagine someone who was dead coming back to you. Imagine basically going to bed one night and waking up and everything is different. Imagine being on the verge of marrying someone and when you land it turns out that the person is married to someone else, while your feelings for them are the same. Imagine getting off a plane and when you get down your wife has a new life with a new man and your daughter is a stranger. It was messy and emotional and interesting (or at least had the potential to be). Now I feel like there's nothing interesting. On an emotional level the show was a complete flat-line this season, and you can't even "participate" in the story because they don't give the audience anything we can use to figure anything out. They think "surprising" us all the time is enough, so there is no way to try to put things together or have any real theories or any of the things that make watching tv interesting and fun. When I saw somewhere that they killed off Grace (supposedly, who knows... showrunners lie all the time, she could still make it, I guess) my first reaction was "augh just cancel this already".

I think the convoluted answer is that they wanted Hope to have some sort of growing up adventure so she could learn what the world is really like, what's at stake, so she could also toughen up and agree with their "we must do what must be done for the future at all cost" mentality. If she never felt in danger then that couldn't work? I guess? Anyway, I thought this show was okay. There were some slow episodes, but overall I enjoyed that the characters had backstories and wounds. I also liked that the show seems to have a clear theme (or maybe two): "sometimes you have to do bad things for the greater good" and "everyone has some good and some bad in them". In Sila's episode, for example, we saw Sila's dad being a monster as well as being a good dad, and we saw military lady crying about destroying the colony and, I thought, putting up the volume of everything in her house to maybe drown out the bad memories or the screams. Same with Percy and his uncle. I like it when shows are trying to saying something, even if they stumble sometimes in how they do it. I'm going to assume that something happened to trigger the Campus Colony massacre. That or military lady believes that only their city can exist. In which case, yikes. I imagine that Huck will be appalled when she finds out and this will eventually turn her against her mother. I gotta say, I expected more people to be dead by season's end. The sisters are okay, I guess. I knew Hope had to be the asset because from the first episode I thought that while Iris wanted to be the doctor or something, she was an artist at heart, while Hope was the one who knew how to make alcohol, which involves science. And bad guys are obsessed with science. Them being so obsessed with this random teen just because they think she's a genius is kind of ridiculous but I let it slide because I think they're supposed to be cray cray. Another group in the long list of Walking Dead groups who have lost their minds as a consequence of the zombie apocalypse. Also part of the reason why I watched this was because I wondered if this is the group who got Rick and they plan to tie all of this to the original show. I guess we'll see. Glad it's only two seasons, though. Overall, it might be an unpopular opinion, I guess, but I thought this was some of the best stuff out of the WD universe in a while. Certainly much, much better than Fear the walking dead, that's for sure.

Absolutely. Insufferable from his very first scene. Blegh.

Caught the new episode on AMC+. It was nice to see Maggie again. Hershel was cute, really good casting there (even though I'm not a huge fan of ~special~ children, and he would be ~special child~ #2, counting Judith). Negan will never be compelling or interesting.

Did she? Then I erased it from my memory completely. I just remember her going off somewhere all traumatized and that was it, we never heard about her again and I'm still waiting to hear that she got better or something.

This was a really good episode all around. My only complaint is what they did with Valery. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but if the actress wanted to leave I wish she had at least stayed around for an episode or two to give her closure, like they did with the nun that decided to stay with the children at the Mother House (I forget her name). The whole thing was just odd and strange, and I hate when things are left hanging. I'm still waiting around to find out what happened with that really sweet nun who was attacked and had some breakdown, for example.

The bit about the witch in the forest was so random that I wondered if this story was a modern adaptation of some old story/fable/folklore tale/whatever. It really felt like that once they got to that point.

^This.

Now that you mention this, how the fuck did Jamie know Viola's story, so she could narrate it? Maybe they could've said that Dani got her memories when Viola possessed her.. but Viola had lost her memories by then. I think they dropped the ball a bit in the last couple of episodes, in terms of making things make sense.

I feel like when Viola had just given birth to her daughter and she was telling the baby about their future life together, she did say that. "It's me, it's you, it's us", and that was the "birth" of the whole thing. I could be remembering wrong, but I think that was it. Dani and Jamie knew about it because Dani saw how Peter possessed Miles, and how Miles had to say that to invite Peter in. The real question is how Peter figured it out. I have no idea. When he first possessed Rebecca he did say that he felt like she was pushing him out and implied that maybe she had to invite him in in order for him to be able to stat, but how he knew about the you-me-us thing and that whole thing would work with the kids and they would be able to leave the house and all that, I have no idea. I actually don't know if Viola would still have pulled their ghosts back even if they had been invited in by the kids. Peter knows it all just cause the plot needs him to, imo. I haven't read the original so I don't know if there was a wedding in The Turn of the Screw, too, but I do know that there's a narrator and all that. So part of it was them following the original. And I think there were different actors for Older Jamie and Younger Jamie and all that just to "trick" the audience, so people wouldn't know from the get go who was who, but i know who everyone was right away lol. This time, trying to be diverse didn't help them, I think. If everyone had been British and white it would've been harder to pick up on the fact that they are at the wedding and who was who, but I knew from the get go that the narrator was Jamie because Hannah was black and Dani was American (so the accent didn't fit). And the guy giving the toast at the wedding looked a bit Indian, like Owen.... that meant that the bride was Flora because she seemed the right age. No mystery here for me at all. I agree on the rest, though. I didn't understand at all why Jamie was there, even less so after they said that Flora forgot everything. I wonder if they cut some scene that made things make more sense in this regard.

I really liked this episode. Super powerful, sad and well done. I assumed that was the case right away, with the wife being called Shawn. I felt vindicated when I saw the credits lol.

For me this is one of the problems of this season. I felt like 80% of the season was spent explaining shit from the past, while Dani, who was sold to me as the protagonist originally, spent almost the whole time oblivious, and literally spent one complete episode tied up crying and another one bring dragged/choked by Viola.

I think the difference was supposed to be in the "it's you, it's me, it's us". If you invited the ghost in full time you could leave. At least that's what Peter thought. Either way, Viola was the "gravity" that pulled all the ghosts to Bly, so either way I imagine that "rule" didn't apply to her. No one was pulling her to Bly the way she was pulling the others.

Yes, but this is a ghost story and if you see a ghost you expect them to play an actual part in the plot. Not to mention that thematically I'm not sure how any of that fits into this particular story. I understand intellectually what they were saying in Dani's and Henry's episodes, but I feel like if they were cut nothing would be missing, and that's not good.

Jamie got home talking about their domestic partnership and found Dani staring into the bath all weird. I thought she died not long after that.

I knew it had to be Jamie because she had a British accent and Dani was American. I didn't get why Jamie was at the wedding either.

1. I think the faceless kid put the dolls in their place, which told Flora where the ghosts were at any time. If Dani moved them around she wouldn' t know where they were. 2. No, I think Peter was supposed to be fucked up and abusive. I was really bothered by the kids forgetting everything for no reason. They were old enough to remember stuff, specially stuff that traumatizing. It really irked me how Dani sacrificed herself for this annoying kid that she literally knew for like three days or something, and then on top of that said annoying kid just forgot about her. Wtf. 🤬

I thought it was even worse than that, because he worked with Henry in London and only came occasionally to the manor. So it's not like she saw him every day, even if it was a year (which I don't think it was AT ALL).

Henry's brother tells him, when he banishes him, something like in the end he's going to be all alone, only with his true self and his true self is a monster. So that's what Henry experienced. It was supposed to be all in his head, I thought, his own self torturing him for what he did. He thought it was his fault that this brother and sister in law died, because they took the trip to try to fix their marriage after her infidelity with him. She threw his glasses in the "bone fire" that Jamie talked about.

I think she went to Bly and drowned herself, yes. I thought the show sacrificed Dani because the whole thing was a metaphor for like, dementia or Alzheimer's. Owen's mom was the character who gave us the key for the theme, imo. When you think about it, the whole thing was about losing yourself and your memories. Hannah spends the show coming and going, disoriented and between being in the past and the present, like Alzheimer's patients are. Viola loses herself completely, forgets all that she is until there are just little glimpses. And then the whole Dani thing in the end was like when someone is diagnosed with Alzheimer's and even though they're well now they know that it's only a matter of time before they lose themselves. They might have some good years still, but in the end they still decline. Dani was destined to lose herself completely. Did anyone else see it this way? Anyway, I have mixed feelings about the season. I get why people would find it boring, frankly I think the entire show is basically one huge exposition dump. Dani arrives in this place and then the whole show is about explaining shit that happened years before... while not a whole lot is happening in the present story. There isn't even a spooky sense of danger in general because you don't even know if that ghosts want to do harm, not for a long time. I think the show does pick up towards the end, you know, when there are actual villains with terrible plans and we don't want them to succeed at them. Another huge problem was that the show was all over the place. It felt like every episode they gave us all this info about a character, info that you feel will matter, and then they go in another direction and what you just saw is almost forgotten. Dani's and Henry's episodes gave us nothing of importance. Her dead bf did nothing and meant nothing. Who gives a fuck that Henry was boning his sister in law and feels bad about it? Even Peter and Rebecca, after what felt like endless focus on them, just disappear in the last two episodes and then literally disappear when Viola possesses Dani. All that focus on them and then whoosh. Gone forever in an instant. Grrrr But on the other hand, I thought that the way they played with information was quite good, and they did keep watching because I wanted to see the explanations they gave, and to see if I was right in my predictions. Like, I knew right away that the narrator was Jamie and that Hanah was dead, and I kept watching because I wanted to see if I was right. I also thought that it was a very sad show, like full of melancholy. And I admit that I cried a little here and there in the last couple of episodes. I mean, when Viola takes Flora and in her mind she's singing to her daughter, and then what we actually hear when we see her is like this guttural ghostly sound, that's just... 😭 There were lots of other problems, but I think on an emotional level the season hit the mark a lot. So, I'm a bit torn about this one. Although I do think that I liked it better than the first season, which just pissed me off for some reason. I don't even remember why exactly, but I remember being very annoyed and having an augh feeling about it. This one is more like bittersweet.

Maybe I'm misremembering, but I think that in the diaries she simply broke it accidentally. However, I do think that the show meant to say something with that moment. I think probably both of those things you mention. I don't think you're over-thinking it. In the diaries, however, Anne was a bit thrown for a loop because of how sexually forward Ann was, and she at times thought that Ann couldn't have been a virgin like she said. I think that in the end Anne did believe her, did believe that she was a virgin before her. Either that or she always went back and forth with that, I'm not sure. But anyway, what I'm getting at is that one of her theories, when she didn't believe Ann, was that Catherine had been Ann's lover and had taught her things. 😁 Now, before anyone mentions the reverend, IIRC in the diaries Ann never says that she slept with him. She always denied it and claimed that the farthest they got was kissing. So that was a creative licence on the show's part. Like Sowden's murder plot. The guy existed but was never murdered.

Recently finished this up. I was very frustrated with the third season. I wasn't too keen on the ending, but I could at least understand the logic behind it. But I wanted an explanation about the whole thing. My memory is kinda spotty, but... IIRC Original Elishia was married to a woman, then died and when she returned she was someone else and did some science thing mixed with magic? I guess? To bring William back because they were in love back in the day... right? Something like that? Then in this season William remembers that he had died at sea and came back from the dead, just like that, without intervention... There's some mention that the soil at the cemetery had some rock only found where Jesus died, and the Norgard guy said that Jesus was like them.... Huh? HUH? I feel like half of the explanations that I needed were just not there, and that they possibly changed their minds halfway through about what they were saying. Are they saying that some people just die and come back as some sort of glitch in the universal system (hence the name)? People like William? But how does that explain Elishia dying and returning as someone else? How does that explain that she was able to bring people back from the dead herself? What about the boundary? Why was it there before, and then it was just gone? Did they explain this? Did they explain all these things and I've just forgotten? I doubt that, but maybe my memory is that bad. I didn't mind the two new ones, I liked them and found them cute, but given that it was the last season and they only had six episodes, I did wonder what was the point of all that... as well as the point of Kristie's pregnancy. And wtf was that thing with Owen? Was the actor not available for the whole season? It was just all so odd. I did like that the nerdy cop (Chris?) got a happy ending, free of his asshole brother and with a family of his own. He was a good man. Overall, this seems to me like another show that was greenlit because it had a cool premise (it really was), and then they absolutely didn't know what to do with it.

Life or death moments, or true obstacles. Like I always say, my memory sucks (and I'm not going to watch it again, lol), but from what I remember their only "obstacle" was Michael and he was out in early season three. And you could argue that he was more an obstacle to Rafael, since Jane wanted to be with him at the time. Then after that nothing stopped them from getting together. After the jump it was all about how they were best friends. Then there was some light stuff when Jane's heart glowed again, but he was with Petra, but that lasted nothing. They got together when they wanted to. There was nothing organic that could create "epicness" because they had no real obstacles. It was just very mundane life stuff. I think this is why I never remember any Rafael and Jane moments.

And even those things were done so badly. There was no lingering doubt in the show anymore that Jane still wanted Michael or Rafael was second best. So, there was no need to bring it up and no way to do it properly. It was a story that could only work if it was "needed" because then that could serve as a guide for the story itself. Instead, it was a story that had no logic or true north, it wasn't fulfilling anything or answering a question. That meant that Jane's confusion felt hollow and then her "choice" felt even more hollow... What was it about Rafael that made him the one over Michael? No reason, he just is because she's in love with him now, which we all knew by the end of season four. If Jane had been still on the fence about Rafael at the end of season four and Michael returned, then at least her "choosing" him over Michael could've been the moment when she truly made sense of her feelings and realized that he really was the one she wanted and loved, because of "x" reasons. But no, none of that. I don't know if I'm explaining myself, but anyway... To make matters even worse, when you think about it Jane didn't really "choose" Rafael over Michael, because JasonMichael was a weird hybrid who had lost most of the stuff that made Michael, Michael. So it was really more like she chose Rafael over a long lost twin of Michael's. They didn't even "go" where they really needed to go if they wanted this story to work. The amnesia bit was okay-ish in the sense that it protected Michael, because Michael could never fake his death and leave Jane mourning and all that. But when he got his memory back, he should've been himself, which is what actually happens in telenovelas, by the way.

Yeah, if we go by that then Rafael's reaction to Michael's return and his zero support and understanding of Jane during the first half of season five (and his tantrums) is enough to say that the writers were telling us that they were not meant to be. For me, I always knew they were meant to be because of how the show was set up. They were the two protagonists. I think Michael could've been a good match for Jane, but they weren't gonna have Rafael end with some random. He was too important. Him and Jane were the two pillars of the show. But I don't think their story had a lot of pow, as a love story. I can't remember anything remarkable about it. They should've used season five for that, now that they were finally together, instead of wasting time destroying Michael and making Rafael a whiny douche who sulked and didn't support Jane through a pretty huge thing that happened to her and instead broke up with her and she ended up almost begging to be taken back. Even then it was odd to see Michael being supportive and only wanting her to be happy, while Rafael was acting like that.