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16 minutes ago, mstar1125 said:
As Steve noted, this is all about Miranda and Miranda's happiness. He's right in that it has nothing to do with him, really, and never did. She's restless and unhappy, but ultimately Miranda is in charge of her own happiness. She isn't going to find it in Che or any other person.
Miranda needs to ask herself if she would be leaving Steve if not for Che. I don't think she would be.
17 minutes ago, mstar1125 said:I feel like the only way any of the storylines they introduced for Miranda throughout these last 8 episodes (and there have been so many! Che, alcoholism, quitting her job, going back to school, Nya, divorce) will make any sense is if Miranda and Nya end up together romantically. Otherwise, why introduce Nya to the show at all? What purpose does she serve in Miranda's journey?
This thought has crossed my mind. Maybe they will do a time jump at the end of the the final episode and we will see Miranda and Nya together.
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They weren't thinking. That is the problem.
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21 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:
The thing is, is the mid-to late 50s is when the gender imbalance REALLY starts to skew against heterosexual women; of the men that available (as in not partnered or looking for a younger woman), many have health issues, and the men do die first. Also- women tend to have a wider network of social support than men. A woman not being in a romantic relationship doesn’t mean she doesn’t get her emotional needs met, it might mean that for a similarly situationed man (toxic masculinity at its finest).
All true. A single man in his 50s has a wide dating pool. He can date women in his 20s if he wants. But single women in their 50s don't have a lot of choices. We can go older but like you said you run the risk of them having health problems. We can go younger but depending on how younger you go you run the risk of them wanting children eventually.
Women in their 50s no longer look like the Golden Girls. We do look like the women on AJLT. We are still vibrant and fun and not quite ready for the assisted living facility and I'm disappointed this show didn't do us justice.
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2 minutes ago, luna1122 said:
But pulling it completely off the menu just cuz you've been together a long time seems unsporting.
And selfish because usually the other person will still want that particular item for themselves.
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9 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:
I have never seen soap and it's the one I've tried to find to watch. Doesn't seem to be on any stream services I have. I think someone said it's an YouTube deluxe prime or whatever. Just don't want to pay for another service though.
I streams on Crackle and Tubi.
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2 minutes ago, luna1122 said:
Is it supposed to some kind of weird accepted "fact" that women don't blow their partners after awhile? I mean, we know Miranda didn't (poor Steve) but surely Mr. Big wouldn't have been ok with that, or vice versa for Carrie. Again, I know its a joke, but it feels like one of those old wives takes people for some reason like to believe in.
I had a male friend tell me his long term girlfriend refused to give him a blow job anymore. He said her excuse was she didn't have to. I guess she really did consider it a job.
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2 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:
To my peer group “dating” is the getting to know you period before you were exclusive (sexually and romantically)- like going to activities, maybe having sex/hooking up- seeing if you liked them enough to be exclusive with them.
Then comes the relationship- more emotional commitment, not having sex with other people, introducing friends/family groups. Going “social media official”.
Yes I wanted dating and not a relationship. I think in my age group (45-60) there is difference between what women want and what men want. Where I live (in a small town in a rural state) single women my age who are single don't want to be single. I was the only single woman in my circle of friends and family. And I was only single because my husband died. The women here are looking to find someone to settle down with again. Men on the other hand are not. They are looking to sow whatever wild oats they have left.
I do think there needs to be a show about people in their 50s and how different things are now.
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5 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:
Threes company I rewatched and just a show you can't comprehend socially if you didn't live through it and even then you're like my god, what is happening? Oddly though I still find it funny at times. Maybe ironically funny now vs at the time.?
I watched Three's Company when it originally aired. I was barely a tween and didn't get a lot of the jokes. When I have seen episodes as an adult I cringe because I get the jokes now and they aren't that funny. Soap on the other hand I still find funny.
7 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:Any shows I used to love as a kid basically pre-1990 or pre Seinfeld/ Simpsons.
I like to watch them because it takes me back to different time when I was younger and life was easier.
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7 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:
I don't know in what world talking/texting with someone constitutes a relationship-
I found it baffling too. But I guess I can understand there are some people who so badly want to be part of couple they will try to hasten things along.
8 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:Having one person to be your social and sexual companion, and provide emotional support is nice- if someone wants that.
Back in the day that used to be called dating someone. Or going even farther back going steady. Sadly I think nowadays it's either people hooking up or people living together/married. I'm single and I like being single. I will never marry again but for awhile I was looking for someone to do things with. And men weren't interested in that. They were down for hooking up but hanging out and doing things like dinner or watching a movie were out of the question. Dating isn't what it used to be.
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7 minutes ago, Yeah No said:
Oh for sure, but my point was that even if she did say it was OK it wouldn't feel realistic based on the Miranda we know for over 20 years now. Or even the Miranda they've shown so far in this series.
You are right. When Miranda commits to someone she expects the same commitment back.
9 minutes ago, Yeah No said:She's not open to an open relationship with Steve so why would she suddenly be OK with an open relationship with Che?
She wasn't open to that because she doesn't want to have anything to do with Steve. They share a child and probably one day grandchildren. Steve isn't going to just disappear but Miranda is acting like he is a bag garbage she can put by the curb and not have to deal with again.
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29 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:
I still love the reruns but I never rewatch the finale. No reason to do so.
I have a done rewatch (sometimes multiple times) of just about every show I watched from the late 70s/early 80s to now. And I have never done a rewatch of Seinfeld. I watched reruns of course before there were streaming services because what else was there to watch?
A friend and I once discussed if we thought Seinfeld was well written and we both agreed we didn't think so. We thought Frasier was well written. But we thought Seinfeld was just built around jokes. It's a classic show for sure but I don't think it is one of the best sitcoms ever.
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1 minute ago, Yeah No said:
And it definitely wouldn't feel realistic if they made Miranda OK with an open relationship.
Miranda from SATC would never agree to that however Miranda from AJLT very well might. She is so gaga for Che I can see Che telling her look this is who I am and either you accept me as I am or this isn't going to work and Miranda might say yes of course whatever you want.
13 minutes ago, 27bored said:With Miranda, she wasn’t happy, but she wasn’t particularly motivated to try and fix the issues she was having (from what we saw). She fell hard and fell fast for Che it appears because Che represented a way out.
Yes, if it wasn't Che I think it would have been someone else. And I might not have had a problem with that. If Miranda had met someone (like Nyla) and it started off as a friendship and feelings grew I would have said OK I can understand that. But I still would have expected Miranda to tell Steve before anything happened.
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1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:
Getting engaged made sense at the point for taking yourself “off the market” when it was assumed people (especially women) wanted to get married for the financial and social status that came with that, and you would date around until you found a suitable partner.
That pretty much describes Carrie and Charlotte on SATC. Charlotte was more open about that but Carrie was doing it too.
I'm 53 and things started to change when I was in high school in the 80s. I had one friend who got married right out of high school but other than her looking for a husband didn't take precedence in most women's lives.
I think with social media being such a huge thing now I think for a lot of people (especially women) being part of a couple is really important. Even if it's just so they can have their status as in a relationship. I have done online dating and I had different men tell me they have only talked and texted with women and the women believe that constitutes a relationship. It's things like that I thought AJLT would explore about women dating in their 50s. But instead we get vomit and Miranda losing her fucking mind.
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20 minutes ago, Jillybean said:
Here's a quote from Cynthia Nixon's new interview with Entertainment Tonight:
“Even though I’m an executive producer and I got to direct an episode, I am not a writer. And so, that is one of the great privileges of being a writer, that it’s not my job to figure it out, thank god,” Nixon says. “You know, it’s my job to say that doesn’t seem right for my character. But in terms of the amazing writers, we have [been] dreaming things up. They know much better than I do.”
She has failed miserably at that job.
So I guess she is perfectly fine with the character assassination of the character she has played for the better part of 25 years. I don't for one minute believe the writers would have written this story for Miranda if Cynthia Nixon hadn't come out and left her long time male partner for a woman. The writers just dreamt this up? Sure Jan.
14 minutes ago, ExMathMajor said:Now I need to see Miranda fall really, REALLY hard on her face...I need there to be consequences for these actions if this storyline is going to have any sort of redeeming artistic quality (for ME; not speaking for anyone else).
I agree with you but the writers think they are taking Miranda on this wonderful journey. In my view it's a journey to disaster but we shall see.
32 minutes ago, 27bored said:Miranda isn’t progressive enough for this.
I think Miranda does think she is being "woke" by leaving her white hetero husband for a non binary activist. I think for her this is less about being gay than being part of movement. But of course if you ask her she is going to say she is head over heels in love with Che.
48 minutes ago, cooper16 said:Miranda was unhappy with Steve before she cheated and that was depicted on the show. True, she should've felt remorse for it but I seems like a lot of people are upset that she decided that she wanted more for herself than a boring and bad marriage.
I can only speak for myself but my problem with this storyline is how selfish Miranda looks. She cheated on Steve without a second thought. And the hypocrisy. She was devastated when Steve cheated on her. But after she tells a devastated Steve she found someone else she runs off to be with that someone else. Just all around not a good look for Miranda.
2 hours ago, greekmom said:Wonder if CN has a hand in that character and will make her explore her sexuality.
I am soooo done with the actress and the character. I was done 9 episodes ago. (yeah I know this is ep 8)
I said this earlier. I find both of them just so unlikable now.
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5 minutes ago, TV is my friend said:
As for someone thinking that an open marriage = having an affair, the definitions of words keep changing, and sometimes it's hard to keep up. I remember when being single meant that the person was unmarried. But then, you weren't single if you were engaged. And then you weren't single if you were living with someone. And then you weren't single if you were in a committed relationship. And then you weren't single if you were on a date. In the episode "Splat!" Kristen Johnston's character Lexi said to Carrie that they appeared to be the only two single women at the party. Carrie said that she was with a date. The implication was that since Carrie was on a date (with Aleks), she wasn't single. Even though he couldn't have been called her boyfriend at the time.
Even open marriage doesn't mean what the authors of the book Open Marriage intended it to mean. In the book, there is one chapter that discusses married couples having physical relationships with others, and the two authors were against it.
My definition of an open relationship is both people in a relationship are allowed to have sex with other people. Couples can have their own rules regarding that though. Such as not having sex with people they know or not having sex in their house.
I have a good friend who was what used to be called a swinger with her husband. Their rule was they could only have sex with other couples.
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7 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:
I don't like younger children either. I'm at the point in life that I'm happy to watch shows where no one is younger than 22.
There is a reason soap opera children suffer from SORAS.
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29 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:
I don’t even think I finished season 1 of The Americans. I actually didn’t like or care about Elizabeth or Matthew Rhys’ character at all. I was in it for Stan and Nina. Which I could see where that was gonna go for me so I was like no thanks and just stopped watching lol.
Me either. Although I disliked him slightly less. I liked the show but I was always hoping they got caught.
I loved Stan and was rooting for him to catch them.
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15 minutes ago, RedHawk said:
“We were very aware that the whole world was wanting her to go on a date and hoping she would go on a date,” said Rottenberg, who wrote the episode with Zuritsky.
Um, no, the "whole world" wasn't wanting Carrie to go on a date. I'll bet not even half of the show's fans strongly wanted it. Because we're real human beings who understand grief and taking time to heal and were fine with watching Carrie go through a realistic journey. These writers are delusional.What she means is we don't know how to write Carrie as anything other than a woman being defined by having a man in her life.
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7 minutes ago, RedHawk said:
And that he fights for his full share of the marital assets!
It would be great if they had a pre nup and what was his and what was hers before they were married was still theirs. Which would mean Steve has the bar and Miranda has.......college tuition to pay? Their house would have to be sold or one would have to buy out the other. Knowing these writers Steve will be gracious and let Miranda keep the house and probably continue paying the bills.
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4 minutes ago, ivygirl said:
Mad Men is precisely the example I’ve been thinking of this whole time—the characters were flawed humans—to varying degrees of depth—but very rarely did I question *their choices as characters* or sit there in disbelief saying “Don (or Peggy, or whomever) would NOT have made that decision.” They could all be pretty awful at times but we also saw the consequences of their choices.
Yes. Weiner knew not all the characters were going to be well liked. He even had the main characters do things that make them unlikable. But like you said we didn't question it because you understood why they did what they did.
However with AJLT we get this
6 minutes ago, ivygirl said:Not so with this show—so many of the main characters make decisions that just bulldoze through reality in order to Make a Point, and the characters in their orbit are primarily just there to help that point along.
I always thought of SATC as character driven. I would say AJLT is plot driven but what I'm seeing is barely plots. How about AJLT is woke issue driven?
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3 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:
Organic storytelling is really tough to pull off. There's a reason people revere The Sopranos and Mad Men. Those were messy, mean, complicated, 3D people (men and women). I'd argue that on a comic level the original SATC was right up there. Carrie was imperfect. All of them had their flaws, but we rooted for them. That kind of characterization and plot development takes innate understanding of the human condition, sharp wit, and a keen insight into compelling storytelling. For every David Chase and Matt Weiner, we have a Michael Patrick King.
Yes. They all had flaws. They all made mistakes. But we understood them and forgave them because they were true to their characters.
5 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:Here's the real rub: People can smell lazy, shitty storytelling a mile away. That's what's happening here. It's not phobias, or a hatred of women, or a discomfort with aging sexuality, or nostalgia, or how close viewers are to the characters - the storytelling is just.fucking.lazy. This is Michael Patrick King's "bespoke writing" at work.
What makes it so maddening is MPK and two of the writers (Eliza and Julie) wrote for SATC. They on some level have to realize they have written such awful stories.
7 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:Unfortunately, that lazy little trope of MPK's dovetailed too conveniently with Cynthia Nixon's activism, and she somehow decided to foist that on a character even when it made no sense and went totally against the canonical series. Any showrunner worth his salt would have said no and moved forward with plotlines that were current but also made sense.
It seems the only actress MPK ever disagreed with was someone other than Cynthia Nixon.
8 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:You can bet if they hadn't started out by lazily reusing a leaked plotline from an unmade film, they'd have put Big in jail by ep. 5.
You know that might not have been a bad storyline. Big is arrested for some white collar crime, maybe insider trading or whatever, his assets are frozen and Carrie has to support herself.
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11 minutes ago, NotMySekrit2Tell said:About the guy's towel dropping: SATC did full-frontal male once in a blue moon, didn't it? I think Samantha's love interest played by James Remar bared all (possibly in a pool or a shower scene?). But I watch The Righteous Gemstones, so I'm inured by now. There are more schlongs than there are crosses on that show.
It was just so unnecessary though. Would the show have been so casual with full frontal female nudity?
13 minutes ago, NotMySekrit2Tell said:I liked Carrie's new neighbor.
I liked her too. They could have made her a bitch who looked down on Carrie for being older but I was pleasantly surprised they didn't do that.
19 minutes ago, funnygirl said:I hate to break it to ya's, but I really think that the writers are being very sincere with Miranda and the "comedian". The "comedian" is now in love with her, too. I think they expect us viewers to think that this a big, sweeping, passionate romance and we're supposed to be rooting for Miranda to go be truly happy, her husband's feelings and character assassination be damned. I think Miranda's comment about being in a romcom was genuine and the writers way of telling us this is how Miranda's story is meant to be presented and digested.
I am afraid of this too. Obviously this is what Cynthia Nixon wants.
20 minutes ago, funnygirl said:It's psychotic. Miranda's behavior has been nothing but abhorrent, there is no spark between Miranda and the "comedian", it's all thrown together very quick and sloppy. I'd be thrilled if Miranda got handed a big slice of humble pie and that this ends up blowing up in her face, but I just don't think that it will. I haven't, and will never, listen to the writers podcast, but from what I've read they seem to be defending their choices at every turn.
I have to say it really bothers me that they have utterly destroyed Miranda's character because the actress portraying her wanted to tell her story. If CN wanted her story told then she should wrote a book or made a Lifetime movie. If not for this truly awful story AJLT would have been so much better. It still would have a bunch of problems but it would have been tolerable.
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2 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:
I may be proven wrong, but I do feel like Miranda is ultimately headed for a big disappointment.
But would Cynthia Nixon allow that? I mean we can all see what should be coming but if she had enough influence to insist they tell this storyline will she let it play out what would probably be the most realistic way?
4 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:I don't like Miranda's behavior, but no one should stay in a relationship because others might envy what they currently have.
I agree Miranda shouldn't stay in a marriage she no longer wants to be in but she acted like Steve's feelings didn't matter at all. And let's not lose sight of the fact she only told Steve because Che insisted she do.
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7 minutes ago, Jillybean said:
Like these characters, I was single and dating a lot longer than many people. Even though my life didn't much resemble theirs, just the trials and tribulations of dating in one's 30s was very relatable. For much of my 20s and all of my 30s I longed for a good partner. I had too much drama in my dating life and I longed for "boring." I really and truly did. By the time I met my husband, I'd resigned myself to the fact that I might be on my own forever. I started dating him at 42 and we got married at 45. We're now 52. He's not the most exciting man I've been with, but he's a rock-solid partner and I'm grateful for him and for our routine.
I got married in my early 30s. Became a widow in my early 40s and now I am happily single in my early 50s. Things that were important to you in your 30s aren't always what is important to you as you get older. Depending on how Carrie comes out of her widowhood we might see her grow and become a more independent secure woman. Charlotte seems to be the same. But Miranda has just regressed so much. As I said on a previous thread she isn't in love with Che. She is in lust with them. She was unhappy in her marriage and was looking for an escape hatch. If I was writing this show I would have her realize that and not return to Steve but tell Che she needs to find herself before she can be with someone else.
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Small Talk: Cosmopolitans and Cupcakes
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One of my friends said it's impossible to for single parents to date and do both well. What he meant was if you are a single parent and you focus more on your children your dating life will suffer and if you are a single parent and you focus more on your dating life your children will suffer.
I was a single parent up until my son was 6. I didn't date much. I had to find a babysitter which wasn't always easy. When I became involved with the man who eventually became my husband I introduced him to my son before I normally would have because it was easier than to always keep my home life and dating life separate.
We saw a little bit of what it was like for Miranda as a single mother dating. It isn't easy.