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  1. 22 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

    It was hard to follow a lot of what Dom was trying to say (and the 'experts' were rephrasing, etc.) but what I got from it was that she was surprised that Mac went along with it and wanted him to shut her down.  She said that at times she needs someone to just stop her and she thought Mac would stop the divorce talk.  A lot of what she was saying was hard for me to follow, but I believe this is the gist of it.

    I didn't think it was possible but your explanation above makes me realize Dom is even dumber than I previously thought.  

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  2. 6 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

    The Hank and Clint scenes may have caused me to tear up.  Now THAT'S a true romance!

    Too many of these women wanted the men to 'chase' them.  So, Dom didn't really want a divorce but she thought Mac would chase her if she said she wanted a divorce?  She was way too young and too immature to be a part of this.  The 'experts' can lose me with all of their 'she's an old soul...' lies.  Throughout the season, Gina kept talking about wanting someone who would chase her, and to a lesser degree, I think Krysten wanted Shaq to chase her.  Everyone has just met-and are figuring out what they think.  As soon as one partner becomes 'hard' to get, why put in the effort for someone they don't even know?  Why not show them WHY they should want to be with you rather than making it harder for them to get to know you?

    It does seem like they get along in the friendship circle, but I think that will change the longer they are out of the fishbowl.  

    For the women who wanted a man they just met to chase them, it could explain why they were single to begin with.

    I fell asleep and so missed this part but Dom actually said she didn't really want a divorce and was hoping by saying so Mac would chase her?  Umm, I was actually watching those episodes and girl did not look like she wasn't serious.  Never mind the fact that you never put "divorce" out there unless you are 100% serious.  

    I think the experts should have been put on blast for why they would choose anyone, male or female or whatever their age is, who was signed up by someone else.  Old soul (ha) or not, the fact that Dom's mother signed her up should have immediately put her in the reject file.  And if I'm remembering correctly, because it seems like this season premiered a decade ago, Mac wanted someone closer to his own age so the experts utterly failed on that.  

    Maybe Dom should text Jasmine to ask about styling and fashion.  Or at least Jasmine's friend in the red pantsuit.  

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  3. I fell asleep during this -- kind of like throughout much of the season.

    Since I watched part 1 just before part 2 started, did Kirsten and Shaq call ahead to make sure they were color coordinated?  

    Gina is a fool because I think Clint is a catch.  He's got a great sense of humor, does well for himself and he loooooves Hank.  

    Airris remains Airris.  He and Jasmine are proof that no matter how (allegedly) perfect two people are together on paper, if the attraction isn't there, it isn't there.  

    Well, for all those people that supposedly messaged Dom offering money for cleavage shots, she's throwing you a freebie.  Girl, if you have to keep pulling up on the bodice of a dress, IT DOESN'T FIT.  And whose 1980s wardrobe did she raid for that dress anyhow?  It was Godawful.  How could someone who got her wedding dress so right implode on a reunion dress decision?  Yikes.  

    Note to future reunion attendees:  watch Kirsten and Dom for what happens when you choose a dress with a slit up to there.  Makes sitting on the couch tricky and uncomfortable.  Just don't do it, ladies.  

    Maybe I'll try to watch part 2 later.  Maybe not.  Just kind of ehhhhh about the season - other than the romance between Clint and Hank.  

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  4. 15 hours ago, gaPeach said:

    No kidding!  They made it seems as though she and Gary hooked up.  Talk about a big nothing burger.

    The guests were much nicer than their preference sheet made them sound.  Glad the crew got their shit together and did a good job especially Ileisha who knocked it out of the park with her meals.

    I am glad to see that Colin realizes that Gary is being the dick and is the one flirting with Daisy and is not blaming Daisy.  Most men would blame the woman.  This makes me like Colin more.  Gary is desperate and everyone on the boat know it.  Karma is a bitch Gary and maybe next time you treat a woman like a piece of meat you will reflect on how it feels and maybe not do it again.  

    Yes, Gary is flirting with Daisy but Daisy is returning the favor, at least IMO.  She's encouraging him and not fully putting her foot down.  She clearly enjoys the little triangle (obviously much more than the viewers are).  

    To me, Gary is being Gary.  Same as he's been since Season 1.  He wants what he can't have.  

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  5. Daisy can miss me with her being over the fact that she's expected to do her job.  For her to say that if it was truly an emergency, someone could come find her -- isn't that what the radios are for??  So that crew doesn't have to stop what they're doing -- like DOCKING -- in order to come find Daisy in the galley to interrupt her gab session.  

    She is the worst.  And Colin enables her by going to check on her so she can whine about how unfair life is, with her being expected to work while she's flirting with Colin and Gary.  

    There was so much build up for Bonnie and . . . nothing.  The way she drinks, she's definitely Daisy's sister.  And she's right -- Daisy is a dick and she and Gary are well suited for one another.  So the two sisters haven't seen each other in three years?  Hmm.  Daisy did have time to fly off to Anaheim with Gary though.  

    Colin is losing his attractiveness factor for me and fast.  Sleeping with Daisy is sucking the hot right out of him.  

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  6. 2 hours ago, endure said:

    I guess if nothing else it will be a learning lesson that even though they’re docking, guests are  just sitting waiting to disembark etc, things can still happen or go wrong, it’s not the time to slack off yet.

    I wondered about this.  The guests are still onboard the yacht, even if it is docking.  So why on earth isn't a stew assigned to be upstairs either at the bar or somewhere close by in case they need something?  

    Daisy is the WORST.  She's now bypassed Season 1's Jenna in my book as worst chief stew.  Glenn needs to rip her a new one and so badly that she legit does run crying out of the room.  She's a terrible supervisor for Mads and Lucy, who are both junior stews.  I snorted out loud when she mentioned to Colin that she was mentally exhausted.  FROM WHAT?  Ignoring your radio?  Texting your sister?  Letting Gary motorboat you?  Bitch, please.  

    The sushi on Gary thing was gross and ridiculous.  Who thought that was a good idea?  

    Loved, loved, LOVED the scenes of Glenn docking in Bonifacio.  What a stunning place.  Thanks for the photos and info, @aghst.   I didn't realize the guests were shopping in the marina stores.  Too bad they didn't go into the actual city.  Maybe they didn't have time?  Seems like the Parsifal had to be out by 11.  Not sure why they didn't get there earlier and give the guests time to enjoy a proper French shopping excursion and then have their Viva Le France sushi (??) dinner (off Gary).  

    I still love Colin - although his interest in Daisy is making me question his logic and sanity.  

    Still love Glenn for his amazing boat skills and overall good guy demeanor.  

    Chase had me laughing with his sailing dance.  He has a great personality.  

    Ileisha is continuing to kill it with the food.  @Mr. Miner, I agree that Daisy is the least attractive of the females.  I think Ileisha is the most naturally pretty, along with Lucy.  I know that Ileisha has a boyfriend but I'm not sure why all the guys supposedly want to get with Daisy but are ignoring Lucy.

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  7. My biggest frustration with this episode, other than Colin suggesting that Ileasha wasn't as good a chef as Marcos last season (just a rude, unnecessary comment.  Come on, Colin!), is that when Colin made it very clear that he needed to be alone to process and sort things out, Daisy was acting like a controlling, possessive stalker.  Didn't want to let him out of her cabin, kept shutting/slamming the door (which I'm sure the people trying to sleep appreciated) and then followed him to his cabin and pretty much had to be ordered out.  

    How old are you, Daisy?  Give the man his space.  Were I Colin, that would have been an absolute deal breaker for me -- provided that sleeping with Gary wasn't a deal breaker.  

    Honestly, at this point I feel like Gary and Daisy were made for each other.  They're both immature.  

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  8. How is it that everyone on Planet Earth knew that Daisy and Gary had sex but Colin?  I mean, wasn't that a given?  

    And yeah, I have plenty of male friends.  None of them motorboat me so I get Colin's being weirded out.  

    Daisy was absolutely horrendous and inattentive to the guests, all because she was desperately trying to get back on Colin's good side and "repair" his friendship with Gary.  Maybe just do your job, Daisy, and let the rest sort itself out?  I felt bad not only for the guests but the other crew members whose portion of the tip will suffer for it.  

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  9. Apologies if what I say is repetitive but I'm too lazy to scroll back up and hit the quote key.

    @Mr. Miner I don't think Daisy is all that either but I'm a female so I thought maybe that was why.  Or maybe she doesn't translate as well on tv -- although she did look good though during the commercials on Andy's Watch What Happens.  That's the only explanation I have for Gary because other than his accent (I'm a sucker for European accents) I don't find him attractive in the least.  

    Speaking of Daisy . . . 

    Daisy to Colin:  "I don't casually hook up" (paraphrasing)

    Also Daisy:  Drinking tequila from Alex's mouth on night 1 of this season.

    Or maybe I'm just bitter because I think Colin deserves better.  The cynical part of me was wondering if this is purely for tv drah-mah and not realistic at all.   I've said this with regards to other BD shows - why do these people think they have to be with someone or hook up during the season?  It's six weeks long, please.   If you're attracted to someone, maybe pump the brakes, chill out a bit.  Being filmed for a reality show (and maybe charter too ) isn't real life.  Wait until the season ends and then see what happens.  

    And is it just me or is hooking up now meaning kissing/making out?  

    I too thought the guest's jewelry would be found on the floor, having taken a ride from the sailing.  And YES, if Mads and Lucy were going through everything, including the guest's wallet, after being accused of theft, Glenn should have been in there.   What if they hadn't found the jewelry and then the guest claimed to be missing hundreds of dollars?  Just no. 

    And shame on that guest for not apologizing - at least to Glenn or Daisy - for suggesting that one of the crew must have stolen her goods.   Tacky.

    Loved how the southern ladies loved Chase.  He wasn't wrong about them.  Hopefully they left a nice tip.

    Were they only on board overnight?  I'm not sure.  I dozed off.  

    Bravo, PLEASE, no more shots of overflowing toilets.  And we don't need a shot of skid marks in a toilet either.  I thought it was bad enough to hear Ileisha getting sick last week but Bravo knocked it down several more rungs on the barfometer.  

    So since Bravo went there, are the crew toilets on a separate line than the other toilets?  I would think it would be a nightmare to have that happen in the primary's bathroom, etc.  

    Loved seeing Glenn from the 70s -- that hair!  I still don't fully understand some of the "theme" parties.  Must be producer-driven shenanigans.  At least this one wasn't too ridiculous.  Just dress up in 70s attire, play some disco and dance.  

     

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  10. 18 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

    The cabins are usually cleaned after the guests get up, maybe while eating breakfast.  While they are eating their evening meal, a stew will do "turn downs," which is a quick tidying up again before bed.  So the stews need to clean rooms twice daily, do constant laundry, serve and clean up meals, decorate tables and for parties, and make sure the guests have everything they desire all day and night.  If I were one of them, I would jump at the chance of driving the tender just to get 5 minutes of peace.  Sending a stew on a tender ride so she can serve beverages is being obtuse about the amount of work they do all day.  And the guests can still have 5 star service whether it is a deckie pouring the wine or a stew.

    Also, I agree with your comments about Colin.  

    Thank you for this.  I honestly had no idea.  

    If I was young, maybe I'd be up for doing stew work but it definitely seems that your job is never done so long as a charter is underway -- same with the chef.  

    Is it basically a rule that there is a chief stew and two junior stews?  I know that's how it is on the mega yachts we see on the other BD franchises.  Seems like the sailing yacht is smaller.  Maybe there needs to be a fourth stew.  Although in previous seasons, we didn't always see such an issue with the stews being run ragged and the chief stew melting down like Daisy did.  

    At least they got a very nice tip.

    15 hours ago, Caseysgirl said:

    I’m wondering why all of the men are so in awe of Mads when Lucy is easily cuter or at least as cute. Is her klutziness a turn off; is she gay or just showing no interest at all? 

    I'm guessing it goes back to Mads' first talking head where she mentioned she was not particular about who she's going to be with (paraphrasing).  Maybe she said something to that effect in person or maybe she just gives off some kind of radar.  No idea.  She's cute but so is Lucy so I don't get it either (but I'm a female so maybe that's why.)  

    I do appreciate that Colin said Mads and Lucy were basically too young for him and Ileisha has a boyfriend.  Boundaries respected.  Another point for Colin. 

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  11. 35 minutes ago, Tanukisan said:

    Kindred jerks?   (:

    Professional a$$hole courtesy? 
     

    3 hours ago, Lamima said:

    DH and I were talking last night about what we'd like too...if we were fortunate enough to charter a yacht. We would want good food and lots of drinks while looking at gorgeous views. No talent shows or awards giving or relay games or bubble discos. We also wouldn't want dinner at 9-10 pm like we see them do a lot. We'd be super easy guests and drink all afternoon and want dinner at like 7pm and would be in bed by 10. I'd want a salad and plated meal for dinner. No family style. No 5 course, 7 course or 10 course meal. Just salad or appetizer and then plated dinner. And if they did do a 5 course meal, if they kept my wine glass full between the courses, I'd be good sitting there enjoying the scenery for a good 20-30 mins. 

    If I were a guest on a luxury yacht like this I would be a super easy guest as well.  Don't need to entertain me, jump through hoops for me or anything like that.  I don't expect ridiculously overblown meals, just good food.  I'd be happy relaxing in the sun, with a good book.  Water toys are fun.  No stupid themed parties that the crew must put on.  Bring a yoga instructor and/ or massage therapist on board.  Let me watch Jaws while on a boat (I'm weird like that) and pop me some popcorn.  That would be the best for me.

    I wouldn't care so much about beach picnics.  If I'm getting off the boat for a short period of time, it would be because the boat has sailed to another port and I'm going into that town/village to sightsee.  That's it.

    5 hours ago, iMonrey said:

    I've noticed a trend with this franchise of putting a timer on the screen during meals to show how long they take and how long between courses. They started doing that on the last season of BD with Rachel too. And yet I watched an older season of BD when a seven course meal took forever, and there was no timer and no complaints from the guests. I can't decide if this is just a recent issue or a molehill the producers want to make a mountain out of. Probably the latter. But if it's taking too long between courses that falls on poor planning by the chef. Or if it's unavoidable, the guests should be told up front these multi-course tasting meals mean they're going to be sitting there 2-3 hours so they know what to expect. In any event it has nothing to do with service, unless you're lumping the chef in with service. There's nothing Daisy or the stews can do to speed it up.

    Yeah, this. If you're paying big bucks to charter a luxury yacht why the hell would you want a beach picnic? They have to do this all the time, every show, and it's always a disaster.

    As for Daisy, if she's this stressed out she might not be cut out for this job. It just seems like a simple fix when the guests are running you ragged with non-stop food and drink orders: put another stew on service. Why is Daisy the only one running back and forth between the galley and the deck? There are three stews. One can clean and do laundry while the other two wait hand and foot on the guests. This doesn't make any sense either.

    A seven-course meal with one chef is asinine.  Who needs seven courses?  And starting at 9 pm or later?  That's just asking for trouble . .  . or drama.  

    I'd like to see Bugsy be brought on board to get a handle on Daisy's meltdowns.  I know some people didn't care for her during her seasons on BD Med but I think she was a great chief stew.  I hate to see people cry and be upset so I did feel bad for Daisy in that regard -- and the primary seemed like he was a high maintenance jerk but the planning and scheduling just doesn't seem to be done correctly.   If the guests are departing to go for a stupid beach picnic, wouldn't it be the deck crew that could afford to send two people?   I guess the cabins aren't cleaned until dinner?  Of course depending on the number of guests, that seems a difficult chore when stews are needed to serve dinner.  Seems like maybe cabins should be getting cleaned when the guests are out on excursions or in the water or something like that.  Yeah, they'll come in and trash the cabin but they're going to do that anyway.    Either that or maybe they need a fourth stew who is only going to do laundry and jump in to clean when necessary.

    Yay on my man Colin for telling Gary like it is.  I felt for Chase when Gary told him 3:30 and then wrote something different on the board and made Chase look as though he was the one not paying attention.  I think Gary knows his job but he's just a shit leader.  And terrible for having the attitude that the entire crew, the guests and everyone else can wait because when he wants to have a smoke, he's going to have a smoke.  That's not how it works when you're in the customer service industry, Gary.    Colin clearly knows that and was 100% correct in calling him out.  

    I don't think Colin was attacking Daisy.  I think he was defending Glenn and trying to calm the waters (no pun intended).  Getting feedback is a good thing so that you can fine tune or correct anything you need to.  Daisy needs to make a list, get her scheduling down and stop worrying about how uncooperative Gary is, having to serve Gary when the guests request him for dinner, etc.  Eventually Gary and his ego will dig himself into a hole all of his own doing. She needs to do her job, supervise Lucy and Mads, and let him.  

    Still love Colin.  

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  12. On 4/25/2023 at 8:22 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

     

    The spit swapping in the hot tub was totally forced and juvenile, Truth or Dare at their age? 

    That whole thing was odd, what was the point?  Meanwhile cabins don't get turn down and dinner service by the interior serving and clearing for everyone, did the deck crew pitch in? Also they all had wine on duty, Sandy would have been screaming about maritime law and how unprofessional they all were being and how it is a safety issue!  

    How can any of the crew constantly get so loaded and function in any capacity the next day then do it all over again a few days later? 

    Maybe it's just where I'm from but when playing Truth or Dare (as kids, BTW), didn't you choose truth or dare before you knew what the question or the dare was?  

    Anyhow, I agree the spit swapping was juvenile, forced -- and gross, TBH.  

    I've noticed this every season so why would this be different but anytime Gary is complaining about a deckhand's work ethic, he's always on a smoke break.  Stay classy, Gary.   Colin is 100% right that if Gary were a proper supervisor/boss, he would get Chase in line and Chase would be a fantastic deckhand.   He would also realize that he was out for the first two (?) charters and so Chase and Alex had to make do on their own with Colin occupied by the engine so stomping aboard the boat and barking orders and demands without actually having a crew meeting and discussing things is counterproductive.  

    I can't imagine that the owner of the boat (and the boats in the other BD iterations) aren't cringing watching a bunch of drunk, hungover and usually horny "crew" caring for their vessel.  Definitely a safety hazard but so far only Colin and Ileisha (sp?) have managed to control alcohol consumption and get decent sleep so they can work the next day.  

    I still love Colin with the fire of a thousand suns.  

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  13. 4 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

     

    I don't mind a little romance among the crew, but I wasn't feeling the make out session in the hot tub.  Seemed a bit orgy-like, or more like a high school game of spin the bottle.

    I agree.  I was actually rolling my eyes and feeling ick over the exchange of spit between multiple crew members.  

    And Daisy, here is why you aren't married and with kids -- you act like you're 21, you get shit-faced every single crew night out and make out with whoever is in the hot tub with you.  I said this at some point last season and I'll say it again -- Daisy may ultimately be a good chief stew but she's very unprofessional, at least IMO, to be getting drunk like that, and every single crew night out, in front of the people she supervises.  

    As far as Ice-Gate goes, I'm Team Glenn on this one.  Even if there had been a half dozen buckets of ice on the tender, Daisy should have just brought more ice and then pointed out the ice already on board once she got there.  To argue with Glenn and then go down there to point out where the ice was bordered on insubordination to me.  And it  could look embarrassing to Glenn if the guests overheard him asking her to bring ice.  Provided they were sober enough to remember it, that is.

    Although (most of) the guests came through in the end with the tip (and I do give those guests credit since the only excursions we saw were a ride on the tinder and a beach picnic -- yawn -- why didn't Daisy arrange some shore excursion or massage therapists, manicurists, yoga instructors, etc. to come on board?) , they were pretty disgusting, especially with the cabins we saw.  Are they actually that gross or were producer shenanigans involved?  I mean, if you got blood all over the bedding from . . . whatever . . . wouldn't you let one of the stews know before they came in to tidy up your cabin?   And while it would be very, very disappointing to never get off the dock if your vacation was supposed to be about sailing (and that could have happened with the weather, if not an alleged engine failure), I don't buy the one guest's teary whining to Glenn about how it was her worst vacation ever.  Bitch, please.  You were with friends and other than your whining, you seemed to be doing just fine.  No one got sick or hurt (which is a win in itself given the drunk falls we saw) so buck up, kick in your portion of the tip and go home.  

    I'm on the fence with the engine drama --  is it real, is it not -- but it does seem convenient that the engine is out while Gary is off somewhere with COVID and Parsifal has a new/green deck crew.  Fortunate for them, with the engine being out, they aren't stressed too much - other than dealing with drunk and horny guests.  

    I still love Colin.  Seeing his glee over the engine starting was everything.  And I was happy he didn't participate in hot tub drinking and snogging and actually used the good judgment to go to bed since the following day was an important day for a sea trial - unlike everyone else (but Glenn and Ileisha, that is.)  

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  14. Bad enough these charter guests were chugging champagne and alcohol like a sailor on leave (and one even fell off her chair twice during the same meal) but good Lord, did no one teach them how to chew with their mouths closed?  Ugh.   

    Thrilled to see Colin and Glenn back.  My love for both remains -- although if there is some Gary/Daisy/Colin triangle, I may have to rethink that.  Please no.  Let Colin remain the sensible one.

    So far the chef appears competent.  Her food looked very good.  

    Disappointed that one of the stews -- Madison? -- said she had no standards when it came to men.  Well, I guess she's on the right show then.  Paging Gary! 

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  15. On 6/9/2018 at 4:49 PM, Cecily said:

    No activity on this thread ... but I'm just now having a big 90210 marathon and had to pop in to say how much I LOVE the scene from the KEG house where John Sears gets voted out. The plot, the drama, the acting, it's all stellar. Sears' friend surprisingly showing some integrity and voting John off instead of Steve, all the other brothers following, Ian Ziering raising his eyebrows in surprise and laughing, Paul Johansson acting all pissed and shocked. It's one of my favourite scenes ever on this show.

    Girl, me too.  I loooove that scene.  Sears deserves it after stupidly telling Keith that he set Steve up and then acted like Keith was going to high-five him or something.  

    And of course Muntz will take Steve's side -- Steve let him have his Moon Pie!

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  16. On 7/19/2016 at 9:12 AM, atlanticslide said:

    This has always, always bothered me. Granted, Brenda was the wild child and was clearly just going along with the engagement and eloping in Vegas because that's the kind of melodramatic bullshit she pulled, but still - she falls for a guy and runs off to Vegas to marry him after two weeks, and everyone rightfully points out how insane that is. Andra falls for a guy and gets knocked up and everyone treats it like it's this wonderful, romantic, joyous event, which really hammers home the notion that if you accidentally get pregnant you should definitely marry the guy, even if you've known him for a month and you've never discussed things like how you'd want to raise your kids and where you might have to move in the future for his boring job.

    I can't even deal with Brandon in this episode. Somehow, in all of his self-righteous, obnoxious, preachy, braying episodes, this one annoys me the most, because it's both stupid and misguided, and shows an astounding lack of awareness. Oh boo hoo, someone saved the diner that you were bitching at your father about needing to be saved just one episode ago. Oh boo hoo, you're only upper upper upper upper middle class rather than a millionaire. Oh boo hoo, you'll never know what it's like to buy half of a crappy diner that doesn't make any money (possibly because they give away half their menu for free and their signature burger is just a cheeseburger). And we're supposed to fell bad for you?? Cram it, Brandon.

    Re Brenda v. Ohhhndrea, I feel exactly the same.  I don't understand why Brenda getting married at 18 is so horrifying yet Ohhhndrea getting married at 18 (newly 19, tops) is awesomeness.  For further points toward Brenda, at least Brenda wasn't pregnant.  She and Stuart were engaged because they were (allegedly) in love.  

    And note to Ohhhndrea:  If your heart isn't into your wedding, then maybe you shouldn't be getting married -- whether your parents are onboard or not.  

    On 7/19/2016 at 11:50 AM, Lisin said:

    That's what I thought too. I was under the impression Brandon was mostly pissed because Dylan got credit for saving the Pit and Brandon thought it should all go to him. Brandon's the worst. 

    On this point and @atlanticslide's above, I do think that Brandon and the other Hillsters who pitched in and helped at the Pit should have been given credit for keeping it afloat.  Were they ever?  Seems like it was just understood they would help out and then Dylan got all the credit for saving the Pit.

    On 7/19/2016 at 3:26 PM, scarynikki12 said:

    It occurred to me during this episode that Andrea should have been given the task force story. Then she could have been shipped off for GC's maternity leave under the guise of traveling around the state fulfilling task force duties. Plus it's believable for Andrea to be sought out as a freshman than Brandon. 

    Of course, that would prevent the tongue bathing for Brandon and we can't have that.

    Excellent suggestion.  That would have worked fantastic.  But the writers really seemed to dislike Ohhhndrea and love Brandon.

    On 7/21/2016 at 3:24 PM, FozzyBear said:

    You know I could actually get behind that. Whether it was the writers or GC, Andrea wasn't gelling with the rest of the cast anymore (I'm at 75% writing and 25% GC). And for reasons I don't understand the show couldn't get a handle on who Andrea in college should be, which is ironic since her character was all about going to college. I still don't understand the strategy they seemed to have of having Andrea start and then stop things (Yale, sorority, newspapers). Having her flake on things as soon as it gets hard is such an odd way to write that character. Maybe they were going for some sort of "I worked all my life to get here, now what" plot and then she got pregnant? Everything with Andrea in college is so awkward and uncomfortable and really not fun to watch.

    100%.  West Beverly Ohhhndrea was not like this at all.  It made zero sense.  Given that GC got pregnant before S4 began filming, I think, maybe have Ohhhndrea go off to Yale.  The show could have her phoning back to talk to the Hillsters (that way no shots of her midsection) and then have her pull a Brenda after GC has the baby.  She comes back home from Yale because her grandma was sick.  Or because college is WAY different than high school and West Bev valedictorian Ohhhndrea couldn't cut it at Yale.  It happens.  And it would make perfect sense for Ohhhndrea to be grappling over that and having to "downgrade" to CU.  

    I also think it would have been great to have her move into the beach apartment with Kelly and Donna and put her more into the mix of things. 

    On 7/14/2019 at 3:38 PM, oakville said:

    I am re watching Season 4 now. I can't believe what happened to Andrea. I thought she got a scholarship to Yale, so the excuse about student debt didn't make sense.

    Why would she drop journalism to go into pre med?

    Why would she dump Dan Rubin for Jesse?

    Andrea having unprotected sex & getting pregnant was even more unbelievable.

    The writers  completely ruined her goody two shoes character.

    It would have more sense for her to join the Condor newspaper & work with Josh.

    The show basically trashed Dan by having him be a nasty racist.  I get that the writers didn't want Ohhhdrea to get pregnant by the first man she slept with but maybe just have her realize that while she lusted for him, she wasn't in love with him.  He was older so maybe have him start pushing for exclusivity and it freak Ohhhndrea out.  She's only 18, 19 tops, so it would make sense that she's not looking for a serious, serious commitment.  

    But the show basically did the same thing to Stuart so what can we expect? 

    On 7/25/2019 at 1:06 AM, ButIAm said:

    I'm a legit Andrea fan (apparently rare, I know),

    But yeah, there were a lot of WTF choices for the character in college that had nothing to do with the baby.

    Personally I think it was a great idea to write in the pregnancy. In real life sometimes the "smart" girl makes a dumb decision. There's the irony that Andrea made such a big deal about condoms in school as a virgin, and the ONE time she lets a guy go in without one is the one time she get knocked up. True to life and IMO was a really important lesson for this show to teach.

    I just think the early marriage, and with Jesse (ugh) of all people, was the death knell for her. The story should've either been one where she had an abortion (perhaps too much for 1993) or gave her daughter up for adoption. Either would've given GC plenty of drama to work with, and freed Andrea up to be a more integrated cast member for S5. She was pretty popular with the cast and crew and there originally were no plans to drop her from the cast before the writers botched up her story. I never bought that a pregnancy would justify some of the horrible writing they gave.

    Also Mark Espinoza has no idea what he's talking about. There's no way that Gabrielle was 7 months pregnant when he got hired. Gabrielle got pregnant sometime in late summer of 1993, prob right around the time filming began for S4.. Jesse shows up in October 1993, which means Mark was hired and shot his first episode very early on in Gabby's pregnancy.

    The show really missed the mark here and a great opportunity.  Since I am rewatching Season 4 now, I believe the fact that Ohhhndrea used a condom every time but once -- and bam! pregnancy -- was almost a throwaway line.  Not one of the Hillsters said anything like "How did this happen??"  Yes, it's a dumb statement but it's also something that would pop out of your mouth without thinking, especially as an 18 or 19 year old.  And most especially given Ohhhndrea's stance in high school about condoms. 

    Honestly, the show tried to make it seem like Ohhhndrea's pregnancy reveal was an actual shocking reveal.  But it wasn't, given that GC herself was pretty obviously pregnant.  I think it would have played better if there had been a scene where Ohhhndrea and Jesse made note of after the fact, no birth control was used.  Then maybe they could have used that to introduce their opposing stances on unplanned pregnancy.  


    Having rewatched this episode over the last few days, I was surprised that Kelly would hang out with Ohhhndrea in her dorm room, nosh on Chinese food, and then leave.  I would think that Ohhhndrea would be in a very depressive place -- freshman, unplanned pregnancy and apparently broken up with her boyfriend/baby's father.  Why didn't Kelly invite Ohhhndrea back to the beach apartment to spend the night?  Donna and David could have been told she was feeling down over a break up with Jesse, nothing else.  Then we could have seen Ohhhndrea awake all night, writing a pros and cons list of having the baby/not having the baby (because that would be so like Ohhhndrea) and then informing Kelly in the morning that she had changed her mind.  I just had a hard time buying that five minutes after Kelly leaves the dorm and Ohhhndrea talking to the baby that she said aloud wasn't actually a person and then Jesse showing up that she would do a 180 and change her mind.  

  17. So I am rewatching Season 4 now -- don't judge, it's a great stress reliever for me.  I'm just going to focus on Ohhhndrea, since I've gotten up to her wedding episode (halfway through, fell asleep last night before the courthouse nuptials actually happened.)

    So whose dog did Gabrielle Carteris run over in the wardrobe department?  Jeebus.  Even before her pregnancy started showing, what wardrobe did to her is just absolutely unforgivable.  If nothing else, give her a big stack of books or a massive notebook or something.  After all, Ohhhndrea is (was?) an annoyingly dedicated student.  Or put her behind a desk, behind a plant, anything.  But the blazers they are putting her in, or the Lumberjill shirs, aren't doing it.  It's laughable to watch an episode where she's bemoaning Dan Rubin and I'm thinking, girl,  you've got bigger problems at hand (mainly the two-year-old in your belly.)  Okay -- GC is very petite and clearly pregnancy started showing on her very quickly.  But they didn't need to dress her like a 50-year-old or in maternity equivalent wear -- come on! 

    And all these years later and after God knows how many rewatches, I am still PISSED that Ohhhndrea dropped journalism like David dropped sobriety upon seeing that little wrapper in Howard's desk at the radio station.  Are we supposed to believe that she would fall apart and give up because she had to write a critical review of the Peach Pit?  No way!  Come on, show.  Give us (and Ohhhndrea) some credit.   And then she actually writes the review but has to walk it over to Josh Richland and then deny him the apparently pleasure of reading her hatchet job on the Pit?  Nope.  Uh-uh.  Not happening.  

    Never, never, never during her time at West Beverly did Ohhhndrea EVER show interest in anything other than journalism.  Maybe some vaguely political things but it was always journalism; writing and editing.   Why, why, why did the writers decide to move her to pre-med?  Had they already decided to write GC's pregnancy into the plot and thought it was more edgy or tense to have Ohhhdrea and Jesse be pre-med and pre-law and having a baby?  If so, FAIL.   If Ohhhndrea were working at The Condor, she could have written a real accounting of being a freshman, being independent for the first time in her life and finding herself pregnant.  She could have written some kind of expose on the student health services, on the clinic she visited, on discrimination against students who are parents.   She could have written about the decision to give her baby up for adoption (if the show had gone that route).  She could have written about the realities of a teenage marriage and the realities of trying to be a college student while caring for an infant.  I mean, did we once hear Ohhhndrea and Jesse bemoaning a lack of finances?  Ohhhndrea wasn't working until maybe S5? and Jesse is supporting both of them plus a baby while they are both in school and they never once had their lights turned off or forgot a car payment or had a check bounce (remember those?) at Ralphs?  

    And speaking of, somewhat, that -- are we honestly supposed to believe that Ohhhndrea still managed to fully keep up with her coursework?  Although I guess if we were supposed to believe that David decided during his junior year at West Beverly he was going to graduate with Donna and did it, well, okay.  

    I also noticed that when Brenda got engaged to Stuart and then took off for Vegas, Ohhhndrea was among the group who thought it was incredibly stupid of Brenda.   Okay, so maybe it was but not one single person thought Ohhhndrea had lost her mind in having a baby and getting married when she was 19 at most and still in her freshman year of college?   Everyone acted absolutely thrilled for her - which is okay face to face but you would think privately they'd be commenting on WTF was she doing.  

    I just really hate that the pregnancy/marriage put Ohhhndrea into a corner the writers couldn't and wouldn't get her out of.  It would have been great to see her working at The Condor, as well as maybe not being the smartest kid in class a la West Beverly.  The show did her a horrible disservice.  

    On 4/11/2020 at 1:42 PM, Emilio Jr said:

    Here are a few moments that support my theory:

    - She was the only one who wanted a college far away the rest of the cast, which indeed she did.

    - After coming back she was barely seen having fun with her "friends" and brother. They mostly argued or kind of.

    - Surprisingly, she was not interested in being part of a sorority, like Kelly and Donna.

    - Steve told her she was not considered a friend but only Brandon's sister.

    I wonder if they were planning to written her out at one point or a way to prevent what happened at the end of the season. I mean, if viewers started to dislike her character there was no reason to keep her around.

    I was also surprised that she wasn't interested in the sorority -- as well as Ohhhndrea.    And aren't you actually expected to live in the sorority house?  I was never part of a sorority during my college years but that's always been my assumption.  How are Kelly and Donna part of it when they live in the beach apartment (other than when David is sporting his Beret of Addiction, that is)?  

    That comment from Steve was especially harsh.  Was that when she was competing against Laura for the part in the play?  If so, he was clearly biased -- and stupid to date and help a clearly unhinged chick who had accused him of date rape. 

    Regarding Shannen, I thought I had heard that the Univ of Minnesota storyline was written for her in case they couldn't come to terms on S4.   

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  18. 6 hours ago, Retired at last said:

    Interesting that every season, we seem to have speculation about the sexual preferences of one of the cast. I guess this time it is Airris.

    @LennieBriscoe, I'm with you. I had no idea about the pineapple reference.

    I don't know what they are doing with the references to body type, except to bring the drama.

    I didn't know that about pineapples either.  

    I'm not going to speculate about whether or not Airris is gay -- I thought he was a player who was used to one-night stands and maybe has more interest when the woman has zero interest in him.  I will speculate about his cousin though.  She seems WAY too interested in the whole thing (despite saying she wasn't coming to the housewarming party because she wasn't going to support the marriage, while saying it on film for MAFS).  In fact, IMO, she sounds more like a bitter ex than a cousin.  

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  19. Reposting without a spoilery spoiler:  

    Exactly.  If 25 is too young, why did the "experts" choose her?  25 isn't necessarily too young to be married but Dom is most definitely too immature.  What should have given the "experts" pause was that Dom herself didn't apply and her mother did for her.   I think she was okay with Mac until first, she saw that he wasn't nearly as adventurous as her and second, that he lives in a basement apartment.  Because Dom seems to be operating on a 14 to 16-year-old's level, it's like a teenager who loses interest in a guy based on the car he drives or where he works.  She's incapable of seeing who and what Mac is really about.  He may not be the greatest but she'll never know because she's out. 

    On paper, Clint would probably have been a good match for her.  He's older, established, outdoorsy and adventurous.  Dom only wants a sugar daddy anyhow -- unless of course her mother told her she wants something else. 

    Good riddance.  I hope never to see Dom on my tv again. 

    Chris and Nicole's housewarming party theme was super cute.  Clint and Gina appeared to be getting along but I have to wonder if it's real or for the cameras.  Maybe if Clint would let Gina trim and shape up his hair?  Airris's cousin can miss me with her assessment that Jasmine is fake.  If Airris listens to her, the relationship with Jasmine will end sooner rather than later.  

    Other than Chris and Nicole, I'm thinking only Kirsten and Shaq stand a chance - a very small chance. 

    So was the couples' potluck a producer gimmick so that everyone would be present for Dom and Mac to announce their divorce?  (And can't they get an annulment? )  Mac was very diplomatic in saying that he and Dom decided together to divorce when it was clearly her decision - and she didn't hesitate to throw him under the bus.  Interesting that none of the other couples mentioned seeing anything concerning (belittling, etc.) on the honeymoon.  And while Nicole may be right for other couples to try to work it out, she needs to let this one go.  

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  20. I think Frasier is not assertive enough in his position as chief stew and tries to be friends with everyone, as well as doing things himself that he should delegate and not following up on things he should.  However, Sandy's taking him to task in front of everyone is wrong on every level.  He is not the cancer of the boat.  That "honor" apparently belongs to Alyssa, who I was wrong about.  She has an attitude, which has become downright terrible since Camille was fired.  Yes, Frasier should have put her in check immediately but that does not make him the root of all evil.  

    I do think it's wrong that Hayley and Alyssa were lounging around and tanning themselves while Frasier and Tyler were working - unless I missed something. Tyler is a fantastic worker with a great attitude - but please NO MORE TWERKING! 

    Katie continues to be a crash dummy in training.  

    Loved how Frasier's mom called him Poppy.  So cute!  

    Will Captain Sandy fire Alyssa right before a new charter?  Will Camille get the last laugh?  

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  21. 33 minutes ago, aghst said:

    I think people are confusing two different sets of guests.

    The first part of the episode, it was the guests from the previous episodes, for a 24-hour charter, who went horseback riding.  They got on the boat in the afternoon and they were the ones who said they wanted pizza before leaving the yacht.  They showed Jess making the pizza but not the guests really eating it.

    Then they ate Faye's little snack spread, came back and had a meal.  That snack probably delayed them returning to the boat by an hour or so.

    Yeah under Faye's plan, there could have been cold sandwiches there or something which couldn't be reheated.

    Then the new guests, the Singaporeans, came on board and those were the ones who came to lunch late.  They spent time on board, drinking in the hot tub.  Then they dressed up for 8 PM dinner but the women didn't come out of the rooms until 10 PM and then they spent about an hour having pre-dinner drinks.  They didn't sit until 11 PM.  Again, I suspect the producers screwed with that schedule too.

     

     

    You are right.  I completely confused the guests.  Thank you!  

  22. Maybe I missed something -- and I probably did -- but if the horseback riding began around 4:30, why the eff didn't the guests have lunch BEFORE they left?  In my part of the world, lunch is usually around noon.  4:30 is an early dinner.  

    And while Faye can be annoying, I do tend to side with her over Jess on this -- and I like Jess as a chef.  There should have at least been wraps/sandwiches/salads, something that was a little more filling than snackies to tide them over -- especially since the women were more than two hours late for dinner.  That is unforgivable in my book.  Rude to absolutely everyone involved.  Your fellow dinner guests, the chef, the stews and the deck crew, who make their schedules around the time the charter guests have said they are going to have dinner.  

    I understand that Jess is tired and burnt out, but you have two more days.  Suck it up.  

    Seth was nice to look at when he first showed up but Nathan is right -- dickhead.  Although, unless the editing monkeys are at work, if Nathan is indeed turning on lights, opening doors, etc. while Seth is trying to sleep because he has the late shift, it is pretty effing rude.  

    To be honest, just about everyone in this crew acts like children throwing tantrums.  

    I was laughing over Lewis showing Seth the photo of Seth asleep in the crew mess and adding that someone sent it to him but he wasn't going to say who.  It's not like you have a crew of dozens.  Easy enough to figure out it was Kacie.  Lewis should have just shown Seth the photo and said don't sleep in the crew mess.  Enough said.  But we must have DRAMAH.  

    I'm not much for jumping off cliffs or climbing up the cliffs or falling into freezing water but the horseback riding would be heaven in my book.  Norway's scenery is just gorgeous.  The caves for next week are stunning.  And it looks like they are equipped to allow for a full meal to be prepared -- although Jess will likely still have a meltdown.  

    As emotional as Jess is, she does seem to turn out good food.  Have there been any complaints from anyone about the actual food?  The only thing I can remember is the hair, and that wasn't anything about the food.  

    And as annoying as I found Faye to be in the beginning, she does seem very focused on giving the guests a good experience and she does try to communicate with the chef so I'll give her props for that.  

    Wonder if there will be a reunion? 

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  23. Bye, Camille!  Happy twerking elsewhere.  

    I was almost waiting for her to scream about "the lies!  the lies!" after mangling "debauchery" and running off to people she thought actually liked her in an attempt to get them to commiserate with her. 

    Rachel was a total boss in dealing with her.  Exactly how every person on the boat should have dealt with her.  

    I agree with @aghstthat so much of the "drama" we're seeing is producer manipulation.  Based on the upcoming scenes, the new "deck/stew" is going to be someone that Ben actually knows and someone he's been exchanging nude selfies with.  Suuuuuure.  And don't be so quick to think that now you'll get sleep, Tony, because apparently Ben is going to be humping the new deck stew . . . just in time for Camille to return.  Suuuuuure.  Although it will be entertaining if Camille goes Fatal Attraction on Ben.

    I do feel for Fraser.  As someone posted above (apologies, I cannot remember who and I'm too lazy to scroll), he's great with the charter guests but not as good as chief stew with the crew.  I think he's very sensitive and he was being very genuine about not wanting to crush someone's spirit.  I hope Alissa doesn't prove to be a problem with or without Camille and I hope the new deck stew will not turn about to be Camille 2.0.  

    Question:  so that white furry coat Camille wore on her way out, did a previous charter guest borrow that from her or did she lift it from him?    

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  24. 7 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

    Who GAF what Ben's inconsiderate ass does?

    It was a rhetorical question, kind of like the others I listed. Does anyone really care about most of this crew?  

     

    44 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

    She better not follow that up next week with " . . . to the beach picnic!" 

    More and more I see Alissa as a big part of the problem. When they were getting ready to go out and Camille asked if she had an eyeliner sharpener, Alissa leaned into her ear and whispered "I hate you."  I mean . . . talk about childish, uncalled for and unprofessional. She wasn't even drunk yet. What on earth is wrong with her? Then all through dinner she kept trying to provoke Camille like saying her drink order was "so basic." I actually thought Camille was the bigger person that night by not taking the bait. 

    It's too bad Camille was so incompetent and lazy because at the end of the day she's probably a nicer person than Alissa.

    Alissa is definitely part of the problem; at the end of the day, maybe as much responsible as Camille.  But I think Camille started everything by being offended at Alissa asking her to do things and then questioning/announcing to Ross and Ben (at least) whether Alissa was her boss.  Alissa may not have been her boss but she was her direct supervisor.  She's second stew and there is a pecking order.  If she thought Alissa was being unfair (and I don't think Alissa was, at least not at first), Camille should have gone to Fraser.  I think Camille did what she's done for years -- she griped and complained and thought she could skate by on her looks and flirting with the guys.  I don't think Alissa had a problem with Camille until that started and Camille took an attitude because Alissa expected her to actually work and not act as if she were on vacation.   

    Honestly, Alissa and Camille both made mistakes by not going to Fraser -- and Fraser made a mistake by not keeping an eye on what was going on.  He's fortunate that Hayley and Alissa are both good workers -- and Alissa is lucky too because had Camille been a good worker, the decision could have gone the other way.  I also think that if Alissa had brought Fraser in, as well as getting Rachel to give input (because Rachel clearly saw what was happening too), things could have been sorted out much earlier, and probably much smoother.  But then we wouldn't have that Bravo drama.  

    I'm probably one of the few that generally doesn't have a problem with Captain Sandy.  She was absolutely correct that part of Fraser's job is to stop situations like the Alissa/Camille one before they get to the screaming in front of guests level.  Of course Sandy is the same captain who knew that one of her deckhands in a previous season was drinking like a fish and showing up for work hungover and did not fire him so there's that.  

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