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True and interesting thoughts on firemaking to shake things up and for a challenge. But the winner of F4 IC challenge letting someone sit out is a lot of power. Could be not wanting Nick to win, or Mike having known them from the beginning and Nick not being able to "Outplay" him in that regard as it wore on. I still give C-man a more favorable interpretation. I didn't get a read that he thought people would be intimidated, just off-put by the way he talks - like many people here. To the point of understated humor below (I bet he's seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail more than once), you could think of him as discussing whether a geeky guy would be accepted by the 'cool kids' who don't do puzzles for fun :D Some innately, some producer induced I bet...some I missed their humor entirely. Any vote can be a terribly incorrect vote for themself IMO. Even in the absence of all the information, we can't assume that people have formulated a correct premise with the information they do have. Or even that they are thinking things through rationally. The Carl vote is a prime example of a "wrong" vote IMO. Very interesting find.

Just prefacing this on the fact that if I ran into a name from a different season, I tried to skip over that section. To the matter at hand (Angelina's 15 minutes): There definitely are people to truly despise elsewhere in this world...you know, like terrorists and mass shooters. I see little true hatred of characters than I see commentary on behavior. Sure, often with judgement on that behavior. Talking about the foibles and great moves on a reality show is a lot less prone to give one an ulcer worrying about all the evils in the world that are truly worth one's ire. To me, Natalie, Elizabeth and Lyrsa were a little annoying to watch, but generally I liked the tribe post-merge. Certainly nobody to truly hate-on. And of course the most well known player who went to prison. Given that player sentiment, I would say 'goof' is a little harsh. In fact, at this point I think even more so that she's a victim of the editors (except the whole sexism schtick). She's probably the one they could pull the goofiest off-the-wall answers from, who also fit a given archetype they ran with.

It puzzles me too that at the most pivotal point, they decide to ditch the central elements of Survivor (IC/voting) in favor of a skill that is arguably one of the poorest indicators of deserving F3. They've have 30+ days to show their fire making. Sure one can argue that makes it a level playing field, but puh-lease do something else. Notice how 3/4 of the last jurors voted for Mike...may say something strong about his endgame. Why not? I've called Nick [too] emotional on more than one occasion as well... Per some other comments, at least one of Nick's outbursts could be heard all the way around camp. I really don't like Flip or Flop hosts, if that's the show I caught briefly. But I didn't mind Angelina's voice or manner of speaking one bit...just the content at times. But over a season, I'm not going to like everything everybody has to say all the time. You mean the humorous sketch like they did for the Brochacho code a few eps back? Might you be open to the fact that you are misinterpreting his expressions, and he truly believed Mike deserved to win, along with 2 of the other 4 final jurors? I won't get all political here :D Either way, for reasons listed in her own thread, success will probably be elusive.

That's why said Rotary Clubs don't need a middle[wo]man....Who is trying to jump into a high level position w/o integrating with others. Selectively quoting to be more generous; I do think her heart is in the right place, but that's not the basis for a successful business or charity. After-school programs would be a better focus. Data shows that these programs lift up students who could/would never even consider student government, college, or some extra-curricular activities. Grooming for student government is about helping the top 10% a little bit, more than helping the bottom 50% in ways they need seriously more resources. And by her subsequent statements, let's see how well that works out. Seems she could have had the foresight to be prepared earlier. I've filed federal paperwork, and it's not as inefficient as many think. Like 24-48 hours response often. Exactly - how about first we focus on the achievement gap across socioeconomic/racial/gender lines and look at everyone at students first. Not girls, not black, not poor. Just give extra attention to those falling behind, first. So give resources for after school programs for the 50% falling behind, as opposed to extra resources devoted to advancement of a particular demographic (girls, in this case) in student government. In my experience as well, boys/men were underrepresented as it is. Just pointing out that I was wrong about predicting second place in a Nick-Mike-Angelina or Alison-Angelina-Mike hypothetical F3. So if I could be wrong about, maybe the multitude of points above could be wrong and Angelina's charity will take off.

I wasn't a huge fan of Alec, and that showed what kind of guy he was off the show. Natalie: throw all the eggs into boiling water over people's objections. PET PEEVE #1: people who do the exact opposite of what someone wants, when both points of view are equally valid. Food is good. Plus Angelina and I both run cold, and apparently cuddling isn't cheating, so...

I have also seen public sector folks go down the tubes because of different public-sector employment that seemed more "noble." And I'd bet most who returned to the corporate world hit a set back compared to if they'd have stayed there. She does list "Ready to Run" in the pre-show bio, along with convenient explanation of what its goals are. But note that her official start date is this month on Linkedin. It doesn't list it as volunteer prior to that, either. One can file paperwork or even just say they've started a non-profit without really having done anything to support it. I'll grant on the show she played up the women's equality angle, but I don't see her pitch translating to mass funding. Why give money to someone who [might] be in and out of your state to raise money, but have no concept how the local people want to encourage student government participation? Parents' helping their own students and donating to local groups (who often volunteer time) seems like the more solid, sustainable route. A lot of student debt, and especially wanting to travel the world are a bit concerning conflicts to running a non-profit IMO. Of course I could be wrong...I did think she'd take 2nd place after all.

You know, Jeff would take her back over Christian. Original thought on Mike-Nick-Angelina 0-6-4 is probably the same, but I see Gabby as the swingiest of the swing votes.

What did she do that was cruel?

Mike-Nick-Angelina 0-6-4?

He's shown himself to bee too emotional before.

And Christian for going along with it, but more on Gabby.

I really wanted a puzzle last week for immunity. After Jeff said the reward today, I was even more bummed because Christian prepared himself in case pasta came up.

How 'bout Angelina and Natalie :D Just kidding...Angelina and Christian? From a producer viewpoint, I'd give a Christian-and-Gabby duo a shot, more so at a weekly independent show than TAR. It would be concerning whether Christian would sign up, but they did spend all but a couple hours together over 32 days.

Two people in particular come to mind as being voted out to make it more harmonious. But I miss a couple people who went before their time. Agree. Except that I think she would interject, rather than just raising her hand.

Ironic this was the first post in this thread that came up for me today... I'm admittedly too in to this season, and had my own dream too. It was the premiere of an unusual season...that included Angelina. She was cold, and asked one castaway for his hat. He said no. Then she asked me for my hat. After asking her whether we were paired up at the start (essentially tribes of two, and we were not), I said no as well. Some time, somewhere, I came across research that concluded people enjoy a book more when they know how it ends ahead of time. Although I don't know of any similar study applied to reality TV. I personally avoid "hard" spoilers of this and past seasons I intend to watch, but watch previews, read [presumably vetted] exit interviews and enjoy Tweets from some current season players.

From an episode thread. Adding it here since the following speculation is from a preview: Would the editors really include Mike calling Angelina a psychopath if she actually won?

Hmmm...food for thought. I can't say I've watched Survivor enough to pick a winner based on editing, but I couldn't blame the editors if none of the F3 gave them enough gold to work with. And they still have the first half or more of the finale to paint anyone as a contender. Alison, and Kara to some extent, may not stand out, but do stand out more so than Mike and Angelina. You got me thinking more that Nick or Davie made it into the final three and pull off the win, if the edit hasn't been consistent with an Alison or Kara win that is.

As it stands, I honestly think Angelina could turn things around to win. Just one person singing her praises at Ponderosa or a killer final TC speech could separate her enough from Mike and Alison, should they be the other options. In that scenario, Alison is still where my money is. We've seen her too much IMO, with endless references to her resume, big moves (which she never makes), and "this game." It's not because of that why I think she'd win, but because I don't see Angelina pulling a 180, nor Mike convincing the jury that he needs a million dollars. Or of course Kara could win immunity/firemaking (I'm unclear on which at this point) and then any of those three wouldn't win overall. If they're smart, and player sentiment matches viewer sentiment, Nick and Davie will be ousted ASAP. I don't remember the TC physics thing either (just the poached egg thing lol), but as to the challenge: 1) he talked to alleviate pain (I think it was Carl who he reassured that talking was helpful) and 2) relaying information is not, in and of itself, condescending. The guy had an opportunity to talk to Jeff Probst for hours and make the best of an uncomfortable situation. The other contestants even joined in. Do you have reason to believe that they knew anything about his robotics research before he told his stories? I doubt it. Christian is a professor. There are certain expectations for someone who is being paid to teach at that level. Don't you talk differently in a work environment compared to informally with your friends? Or mother-in-law vs brochachos :D So I'd grant that he may very well have a "professor mode." I'd have to re-watch, but maybe you're interpreting a more formal professorial tone as a "nerd voice." That's a far cry from being an act for the show or a "So Much Smarter Than You" attitude. Again, one can convey information without thinking they are more intelligent than whoever they are talking to.

Nick and Angelina have in the past also. Alison may have broken down when her name was floated before and only now are they showing it. My guess is Alison is the person who Nick and Davie are trying to convince the others to vote out. I highly doubt Mike would call Alison a psychopath, and since Angelina is the only other woman left (Mike said "she" while talking to Kara), I wonder what makes Mike say that if it's not referring to the exchange between Angelina and Alison.

I like him, but can see how others wouldn't. And he's done well this season. Angelina would definitely need a co-host if she were to be on an ongoing show. It would be interesting to find people to participate who haven't watched recent seasons of Survivor. Maybe dust off all those old applications and see if people are still interested in participating. I personally wouldn't call Kara stereotypically "hot." Dare I say it, based on looks alone, Natalia or (gasp) Angelina could fit that description. Kara is really likable though. She has a good head on her shoulders, but doesn't over-analyze or get bogged down in unconsequential details, and is pretty good physically.

@LanceM this isn't personal to you, just addressing the many, many claims Angelina made to state her case. FYI I still kinda like her. First, is one win really a hot streak? Anyway, choosing Mike (Angelina's closest ally) and Davie to join them last time seemed more like an "each winner chooses one person" decision than a joint decision on both open spots. Either way, that doesn't compel Davie to choose her this time. And "not looking for reciprocity?" That's exactly what she's looking for...both on the damn rice thing again* and asserting Davie was also her choice for "love" (I don't buy it) on the family visit. Seems like any minor good will the rice thing got her has dried up, ironically in part because their bellies are now fuller and hunger is not as much on their mind. No, the producers wouldn't let them nearly starve to death. That seems like bad PR and bad TV. Alison already looks exhausted as it is, and she's probably used to long shifts. Angelina, you have not been feeding Davie for 11 days. That's TPTB. And no, you didn't "allow" Davie to win the IC that you sat out. Ugh this is getting tiring. So you have been in an alliance of [redacted quantity]. There are so many reasons to consider who Davie chose. Oh wait...it's not all about you? End rebuttal. My opinion on Angelina took a nosedive through all that, but I may have figured out why I actually still kind of like her. Minor details seem to matter way more to her than to other people, and it doesn't register that her thinking style/calculus could be different (*in part, that rice thing being so big to her but getting eye rolls from others). The nosedive is because the prism through which she seems to interpret those small details is kind of egotistical. She also said elsewhere that Christian was her strategic equal. React however you feel appropriate.

Probably was a split the vote plan. Nick was a moron though. I much prefer Davie and Kara of those who are left. Nick is too emotional. But I did figure out why he used his idol despite Angelina's reassurance. Because she's a sketch-ball.

There's always immunity to hope for... A couple other folks (myself included) over in the Previews & Speculation w/o spoilers thread figure that will be the case, barring immunity for a different one. I put the final vote at 0-3-7 if it's those three.

That's what my money is on. Though whether they included Nick in the plan or not I can't say. Again, that plus prompting Nick's idol flush - brilliant.

Unless immunity or an idol get in the way, I'm betting F3 is Alison, Mike and Angelina. I suspect all three know they don't have a prayer against the others. They'll start by wiping out Nick, then Kara and Davie. 7-0-3