Featherhat

When was the Con? I wonder if this is an indication that she's mostly done with Arrow despite the "cross show contract" and just looking to cash in as much as she can? If she was going to be on a lot more, surely it would be more prudent to as you say, take the long term perspective and agree to release them, especially as you get paid a *lot* to attend the con in the first place. Or she could just be petty and stupid.

Yes, Sara and Ra's had a conversation about it where she basically sets up her own rescue by Nyssa.

Well a lot of the "comic book fans" don't really seem to care that much because at least she isn't Felicity and they know she won't last. But many of them are going apeshit over the possibility of Canary 3.0 who isn't DLL (or now a reformed BS) and to add insult to injury is apparently a meta AND also another potential longterm "non canon" love interest for Oliver. Shit will hit the fan if speculation on her turns out to be right but I don't think its the kind of shit a passionate, engaged fanbase throw either. But I really don't get the Susan storyline. As everyone has said it makes Oliver look dumb and thinking with Little Oliver (again) and why talk up a romance you know will be done with in 3 episodes anyway? I guess they're hoping for Olicity/Lauriver Outrage I Say! to drive up clicks on websites and social media where they have fallen a lot recently. And ratings needless to say, but it's making people apathetic rather than interested in turning in so they can rail against that stupid hussy! It has more chance of encouraging people not to watch than anything else.

The people that love LL are going especially crazy over this, even more so with Tina being introduced the very next episode. I guess if E1 LL doesn't make an appearance death will still matter for her and BS was an already introduced doppelganger but yeah it seems like a trifecta of can't win storylines for fans. Olicity is still going nowhere, LL is still dead and BS is not sticking around so no Lauriver and they're introducing yet another Canary in the ep right after who may well have meta powers AND be Oliver's latest LI.

This is the Quote from WM in the interview: "I can tell you that we’re really excited about having her back. You will see in the episodes where she appears – Episode 510 definitely, our midseason premiere. Keep your eyes out for that. We’re so excited about getting to work with her again and her willingness to come back. It’s one of the fun parts of the show. People can leave and get killed and you can still find new and crazy ways for them to come back. I can definitely tell you that there’s a way we’re going to bring her back and she’s going to be alive and well. And Flashpoint might have a little bit to do with that." Nowhere does she specify E1 LL or back from the dead LL. I was surprised so many people took her at face value, it seemed like typical EP weasel wording to me. "well technically....BS IS LL....from E2, alive and well" and she certainly wasn't promising LL/KC was rejoining the team or show at this point. She was only promising the 1 episode for sure at that point and we haven't heard if she'll be back towards the end of the season yet, but she might be.

I heard it described by someone who saw the pilot at SDCC as "Archie meets Pretty Little Liars" (and I guess for others Twin Peaks) but I don't know how that will be interpreted by others.

Way to be professional guys. And let me guess, they would be fine with her if she went back to having like one quippy scene per episode that hasn't been the case since early S1. But LL/BC should be in every scene because comics. Ah well, TVfanatic isn't exactly relevant anymore and has always been at least 2nd tier. Didn't see this before, but whilst I can't say for sure what she'd want, I can't believe KC would want to be full time on either Flash or LOT. Flash is 95% Barry and everything else is background and with LOT she'd be going to the show for 2nd tier characters who couldn't anchor their own spin off and the closest thing to a main character is a character/actress who already overshadowed her once and team that already has a lot of well known names and faces. Guest spots on both might be a different matter though.

Hah, you mean that wasn't just a wind up rumour? Well that is a completely crazy one, but I guess they did find a way to tie it into the characters. They should both still be brilliant (well Ray anyway) but if you don't have the knowledge to create an Atom suit or work with the futuristic tech and did something else then you might be pretty useless. Nate seems like a rubbish historian since he got his powers and even moaned that research was like being back at high school. And this is the guy that supposedly was so obsessed with tracking down history for obscure time anomalies? Yeah. Matt Angel doesn't particularly strike me as looking like young George Lucas did but I guess we'll see. I wonder if they'd have to ask his permission? Possibly not but it will be fun to see his reaction if he was asked or if he found out.

RE that thread, I can't believe it was Olicity fans that finally got their way (unless those fans were also producers) otherwise if they had that power Olicity would still be together. There has been room for both actresses for 4 years, at least in front of the camera. But I don't think Laurel really worked from the first season, witness how completely they dropped her as LI and almost gave CL the full time BC gig. No idea how BTS personality issues impacted everything but I too would be interested in "all the straws". That said I don't think she's being brought back as BS to dump on the character/actress/fans either as Reddit is hysterical about. BS is already a character in the Flarrowverse and was a popular character that episode. If they had ever intended to bring KC back full time then they wouldn't have given her one of those "glorified guest star" contract across all shows, they'd have planned her "death" and then used Flashpoint/LOT to resurrect her. I guess they still could but even in the "alive and well" quote WM only guarantees 5.10. Depending on how it pans out in the ep they can always use BS for other guest spots but I guess that will also depend on KC as well.

Yeah but even with that I guess it might be seen as a bit too meta by some? Especially if NuCanary is introduced in the very next episode. I think it's sort of amusing that we are potentially on the 3rd Canary and still the biggest point in LL's favour seems to (mostly, certainly not all) "well she has the right name!" I guess if she turns out to be "Tina Drake" then she's also half right like Sara.

Well at least this way, no one can say they weren't warned that it wasn't in fact a Laurel resurrected by Flash Point or rescued by Sara. Although there seem to be a lot of people upset that "MG lied to us" about KC/LL. However getting a "cross show contract was never a guarantee that she would be back full time or even part time. It doesn't seem to have been an "oops our bad" rather a consolation prize or a way to tell her "legacy" as needed. It's not like JB or WM are on a different DC show every week either. And even when they resurrected Sara CL went to be a regular *on another show* not come back to Arrow.

I hadn't seen this before and if it is true its great. I think they did rush things a bit with the storyline but CL has been great and many things have felt authentic from Alex finally realising why she really, really liked sleepovers with her best friend in highschool to Kara being shocked and upset that she had never even realised that her (human) sister was potentially going through some life changing stuff whilst always having to be focused on looking after her alien sister and their mother not making a big deal of it in any way. I've also been extremely disappointed in how so many (maybe mostly male comic fans?) are handling it online. I know IMDb is a cesspool at the bets of times, but the number of threads about it and the level of vitriol actually stunned me. Then again there are also people who complain that we don't see any upskirt shots of Kara or that they should digitally enhance her breast, because comics.

I think at the time they were more involved in a church. Before the show started and they moved to Vegas many of the ids were enrolled in a private church run AUB school, (which Mariah kicked up a fuss about leaving. I think they have been religious, except even more so than the Duggars they declined to show any real insight into this religion or what's so important about it to them (if anything) other than tired platitudes about how awesome your sisterwives are, even when it is clear you hate each other guts, especially when they know *about the sex y'all*.

Seconding your sucky day in the news so fandom threads of all kinds are a kind of comfort/release valve of things that don't matter but we still care about any good news, for me. BIB That's the way I read it, as WD has been hyped by TPTB but there seems to be very little actual fan enthusiasm for him from anywhere (not sure about Reddit don't want to venture there very much) but even from more comic based sites. They want to say how awesome he is whenever they get an opening. It may just have been that Diggle just doesn't have any interesting stories coming up and "yep he's still in prison so no it's boring" isn't going to cut it as an answer (or both). There's no way for several reasons that Olicity will get together for now (or maybe anytime soon) but whilst I'm glad Mayo made a low impact on actual screen time or attempts to prove how amazingly awesome and possible real deal he was, it does frustrate me as well. Ray Palmer I miss your onscreen actual relationship with FS, except I don't and you are terrible in relationships even on LOT (but good without them) but when you caused issues or catalysts at least I saw most of them on screen.

It really isn't hard to google "Non denominational Christian Wedding ideas" and yes, at least set out a template. But then it wouldn't be the Kody Brown Wedding "Poop Storm" (Shitfest) would it? I hope that Caleb and Maddie were either married before or after the ceremony in something that was less Kody-ish. Didn't we know Maddie was likely living with him for a while? It wouldn't be exactly surprising if she had the proverbial giant preemie As a Brit I didn't feel offended by the "Knighting" or anything but confused. I mean why? It's a "boho/gypsy" wedding with groomsmen in ultra casual. If it was a ren faire themed wedding I could see the point even but it was just weird here. It doesn't confer manliness on you, these days its as likely to mean that you're a 70/80s rock star who has managed to avoid overdosing long enough to be considered "a national treasure" as anything else. If it is indeed true, I can't see them (and maybe even her) knowing before she went to college at least, although that was a couple of years ago now. One of the big reasons she wanted to go to Westminster is that it was near a Plyg church where she could find Mr Plurally Right and I don't think her parents would have been persuaded to pay if she'd already come out. Plus she may have considered staying around the more progressive LV area to go to school. I don't think she started posting what look like fairly obvious interested pictures of women until a few months ago. To Meri's credit, I don't think the fact that there might be two brides would stop her throwing a wedding to "rival" Maddie's and (hopefully) revelling in it. She wouldn't want Mariah to down play it at all. Especially because if there's one thing she seems to enjoy its organising and decorating parties.

That was awful. Poor Diggle/DR (hey David we totally sidelined you so we could bring in this cool new character and have the actor remind everyone of how he is so totally like SA's double/heir). Look writers if you aren't getting enough questions about WD (except maybe "when his he leaving/can he stop calling Felicity "Blondie" when they don't have that kind of relationship and the actor can't sell it like CC/HW might do?") to be able to rave about writing him in a question asked about him, then maybe he isn't as popular as you'd hoped and you shouldn't pin all your hopes on selling him (or promise the actor he will be a regular next season?

Yeah I assume that was just a teaser for next year's big "hook". That is if Mariah doesn't come out on camera first.

I wonder if MLR wasn't available enough for a wedding or adoption storyline and they just decided to have the adoption happen off screen when Jake was undercover for that reason? Because the last one she was in was the one with Boyle's ex wife, over a year ago. Vivian was in more episodes and that started at the over half season mark (The Party, which is indeed one of the best episodes). I think this may be the least fleshed out relationship on the show and when you show some of it and then make it fairly rush and add a random 5 year told to it, it makes it seem very disjointed.

Do we have any confirmation of when KC is scheduled to be on LOT? Because I assumed that if that spoiler was correct then that part would be featured on LOT, which probably doesn't match up with the Arrow airing/scheduling either. I imagine they may just want to always have a character in reserve unless they *know* the actor is never coming back, what with having to do the Lazarus Pit SL to get Sara back after agreeing to make KC BC. If KC's cross storyline contract is potentially multi year? then they'd probably think they'd be stupid not to. Only seen JH on TWD and a couple of other random things and I don't think she really made an impression but I hope she is at least decent or this is going to be uglier than ever.

Yeah if it does go down like this, I will feel sorry for those fans who really want LL back as BC part of BC/GA, especially those that seem to have taken it for granted that LL/KC was back on a fulltime or very regular basis. It's kind of the worst of both worlds. LL isn't back and there's a new non DLL as BC (which was apparently so uber important that it justified SL being booted off the show. And yes it seems like JH will have a rough time of it, especially if anything remotely similar to this storyline plays out actually does happen.

They're all looking out for themselves and their kids first despite what they try to tell us, although I do think the wives do care for the other kids to a large extent as well. Robyn went from No.4 (just as the series started filming, which was apparently well known within the community) to No.1 within 5 years, which doesn't just happen unless you are actively rooting for it, which in polygamy means trampling over a few other women. For a long time she has seemed to hold much of Kody's attention and has seemed to be an expert in the Mormon version of "Bless You Honey!" (insert real meaning here). Plus Robyn's insistence that "we should have all been together from the start" and rewriting history so that Kody is the Father of her very young kids in that photo was one of the creepiest non murder things I have ever seen. This lifestyle encourages many women against each other and whenever I hear MSWC I do automatically think "well they already share a husband and don't seem to like each other, do they have to borrow tacky jewellery as well?".

Well according to some of those Purity Groups you can get a "2nd Virginity" if you pray hard enough, not that it makes you any more or less "pure". Technically if you love each other then the "physical gift of your love together" should be enough to make a special wedding night. (that is if you aren't too exhausted, emotionally drained, too unfamiliar with each other/sex if you are both virgins etc seriously I'm not married but it seems wedding nights can be a big let down sometimes. ) Having gone some pages back in that Tumblr it does look like it might be Mariah's and if that is the case then I have to be a bit shocked that she put those pics up, although I know she had been expressing similar sentiments on twitter as well. Who ever is running that at the moment definitely enjoys naked women and is entirely open about it. Speaking as a Bi person I don't feel that is "simply" a straight ally blog. If it really is her she probably is out to the family and if that is the case then good for her. They'll probably want to use it as the next hook to get renewed and I wonder if that factors into Meri and Mariah's relationship has portrayed on the show at all. Again only speculation and at any rate staying at college and getting a physician's assistant post can only be a good thing id that is what she is still aiming for.

Lucifer (also "loosely based on DC Comics) had a title of Sin Eater earlier this season and it ended up being about both punishing the guilty and accepting your guilt, though I don't think anything can be construed from this for Arrow.

Yeah I'm not a shipper either and this episode convinced me of it. The courtroom delcarations of faith in each other were really well done and it's believable that both characters have come to a place of trust and friendship like that, but I don't see any romantic or sexual spark in their scenes together. I think it may partly be the way LG plays Chloe but I can't imagine them actually dating, even before Dad/Amenadiel's role in Chloe's creation comes out into the open. Speaking of: Amenadude this attitude you've got going on is what lead to your current "fallen" status in the first place and the whining is making your extremely goodlooking self, seem very unattractive. Dr Linda being completely unsurprised and completely unsympathetic when Maze blew up his car was golden Rachael Harris has turned into such an MVP this season, as has Maze. Dr Linda, totally dealing with no longer being Beverley Hills Therapist to the Stars but therapist for Celestial Beings! For a light hearted show build around a very charismatic title character/actor this show has a wide variety of very different but interesting female characters, which is nice. Mum has a screw loose. "If I blow up his crush he won't have any reason to stay" "If I she'll betray him, he'll come back with me" because he's always been such a good boy in the past and it's only since he met Chloe that he's rebelled against her, right?

That was really gross. Especially as according to their "courtship rules" they weren't supposed to be kissing until they got married and Christine was so upset when she found out. So it really was a guy "cheating" on his wife whilst she was in labour, according to their rules. Yet another reason polygamy sucks for the women and I don't think her "sister" wives were much in evidence supporting her at the birth before Doofus managed to get their either. Of course I'm sure they'd done a lot more than kissing before they were married. Kody wasn't driving hours to see her for a hot meal and some light side hugging.