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  1. In this interview Robbie Thompson once again says the show will not undo any SPN canon. And also other titbits like the big reveals in Ep13. https://www.tvguide.com/amp/news/the-winchesters-boss-breaks-down-what-secrets-will-be-revealed-after-that-series-premiere/
  2. It's all possible. When I heard the line I immediately thought that the Akida threatening all of existence would prove to be one of the ways that these events eventually end up coming into line with SPN "canon" such as it is. Maybe with some things being different or "the truth depends entirely on your POV" as someone from another series with a whole lot of prequels that fans still argue over says. Like the "Missouri" quote turning out to mean something completely different to what was thought. I don't know, I just continue to hope that hiring a Fringe writer and making him and exec producer pays off well at some point. I never even thought about Dean being the mysterious stranger but it does make sense. Although very bittersweet if Dean ends up being the one who sets his father and thus himself and Sam off on a difficult and tragic path. I do care about canon in other shows, really I do. For the LOTR series I haven't yet been able to separate my Silmarillion love from the show even though generally I can keep books and shows/movies separate. But not for this show. I really don't care about canon because it's clear later showrunners didn't give a flying fig about it to the point where they were actively destroying the concept of canon. So as long as it ends up with either an explanation of why things are different to ITB or ends up vaguely tallying with it (with minor difference allowed) even if our understanding is changed then I'll be happy.
  3. I enjoyed it. I did think it had a Buffy vibe but that's not a bad thing for me. It was very "instant Scooby Gang" but no worse than many other shows do and both Lata and Carlos are decent characters. I hope they get more to do, especially Ava who had all of 2 scenes. I think they will have to be careful that Carlos doesn't become solely comic relief though. He does have some pathos with his family being killed but whilst the menu thing was funny it will get old quick if that's all he brings. So Ava and "hit by a bus girl" were possessed by two different demons? It seemed Bus Girl was the one Mary and John first encountered together but Ava got possessed before she did and also had a familiar line of dialogue. I thought Meg and Drake had good chemistry, not lightening in a bottle necessarily but it was fine. I was kind of worried about how I would find Mary given I did NOT like her during her return (although I did in ITB and TSRTS) and was worried I'd find her abrasive attitude insufferable because of it but I thought Meg generally managed to pull it back when needed and we see glimpses of vulnerability without too much neon blinking lights going "she's SUFFERING EVERYONE!" and we saw moments where she was the person she could be without Hunting. Drake seemed to do well with the war flashbacks and I'm actually interested to learn more about his time there when I thought I wouldn't be - flashbacks can be tricky to make interesting at the best of times. Some of the dialogue suffered from pilotitis but it wasn't too bad. And yeah @Aeryn13 at least no one was forced to say #TeamHunters or something even worse. I think the CW's goofy storytelling actually works for the 70s. I liked the idea of the MOL much better than the execution a lot of the time so it's good for me that they're reworking them. I wonder if the fight with the Akida will somehow rewrite reality or people's perceptions of reality and that's what Dean is trying to untangle? It will be interesting to see if they actually team up with some demons to stop it. Although I don't really want a "Spike circa Buffy S4-7" character in S1.
  4. Didn't she say at one point that she and her Dad moved there after the divorce? That could have been after Bode left. Even if she hadn't been there since she was a kid and had spent a lot of time in Florida training Edgewater could still have gotten excited and given her the key to the city. It's a tiny town with a couple of con camp where people would rather go and get drunk than evacuate during a fire where despite the firefighters getting a full on hero clap the board doesn't think they need dozers. They could use something to celebrate.
  5. I didn't remember the promos but I assumed the reason they put the part about the owner speaking up for him as well as that entire speech to Cap was to show that the main character was "worthy" of rooting for. Even though wanting to save money to open a food truck is a perfectly valid reason for signing up for this incredibly dangerous job. Or even wanting to cut down your sentence even if you aren't sorry and prefer Con Camp to concrete walls and barbed wire. TV has such a weird relationship with characters who want to leave their home town for any reason (see Gabriella as well) even though many people involved in TV/movie production have left their home towns and moved to LA and been successful. But they message is so often "stay in your tiny hometown and give up your dreams because family." Bode left, possibly for the "wrong reasons" and ended up going down a wrong path. Now he's seeking redemption via the family business. Gabriella feels she choked at the Olympics and now she wants to stay, is getting involved in firefighting, a job at the local bar and a boyfriend with commitment issues.
  6. I liked it. It was definitely a pilot but it had enough potential to keep me watching for a couple more episodes at least. I had a hard time keeping track of characters besides Bode and kept getting Bode's Dad and Gabriella's Dad mixed up even though I definitely know who Kevin Alejandro and Billy Burke are. So Bode failed a parole hearing for a robbery even though the owners spoke up for him? I guess that's to show that whilst he's a felon he really is sorry and that he didn't *just* take the firefighter job to get time off his sentence. I didn't twig that the chief and Vince being married but once it was revealed that they were I knew Bode was going to turn out to be their son. I liked Gabriella well enough and it must be something that many Olympians go through, whether to "put your life on hold" for another 4 years in hopes of a medal or settle down and do something else. Especially if the passion is gone. I'm really not looking forward to a potential love triangle with Bode and Jake with added animus because of Riley's death.
  7. I would prefer Mitch Pileggi, especially because I'm a long term fan of his, but for obvious reasons that's not possible. The only things I've seen TW in are SV and Lucifer neither of which impressed me (although I don't think Pierce/Cain was entirely his fault that story arc was shockingly terrible in every way). I'll wait and see. It's a decent casting from a name recognition in genre TV way.
  8. Often shows that have 13 eps ordered initially plan big things for the potential "final" episode. Either revelations or cliffhangers or the "wrong" choice e.g. the showrunner of Emily Owens MD on the CW years ago said that she planned for Emily to sleep with the "wrong" guy in ep 13 so she could choose the "right" one in ep22 which was never produced. I don't think it necessarily means anything as I don't think this show will run out of things to reveal in 13 eps. Although I'm sure everyone is conscious of how much the CW has changed since this was initially ordered to pilot.
  9. It kept most of the Walker audience but neither set the CW on fire. I guess I really don't know what's considered "good" these days when even Grey's getting a 0.5 is considered doing well.
  10. I enjoyed this, although it suffered from a little Pilotitis. The setting was gorgeous and there seemed to be a surprising amount of attention to detail and they'd clearly worked hard to make it seem at least "attractive TV authentic" as opposed to clearly half assed in Vancouver or somewhere. I'm not from the US and not a big fans of Westerns as a genre so I didn't catch a lot of the details but there was clearly more effor than something like "Reign" for example. It was interesting to see a Western reimagined for the CW and I think it more or less works. I like Calian, Augustus and Kai. Not sold on Kate although she did bring energy and she's obviously using dancing partly as a cover. I found Hoyt and Abbey a bit boring and cliche, although I like both actors a lot so we'll see how they develop. Obviously they're starting Hoyt at a really mercenary place so they can develop him and Abbey really wasn't given a lot of do apart from look understandably shell shocked by this turn of events and plot ill thought out revenge on Davidson. I really don't want a love triangle with them and Lucia although it feels inevitable. It just felt very play by numbers/cliches with those characters and I'm not particularly interested in the mystery or the Davidsons. I guess Of course it opens on a sex scene (sort of) and this whole tragedy/murder might have been avoided if the Collinses had just stayed with the wagon train and got into town a few hours earlier with everyone else. Ah CW (and human nature I guess.) I rolled my eyes at Cordell the Horse but I liked how Abbey got her Walker name.
  11. Especially because Dr Wilder is also deaf and many deaf and Deaf people have very strong views on Cochlear implants and similar which is intrinsically about bodily autonomy and what is actually best for the person involved and not what many people unaware of the issues would think without knowledge and research. Which she did not do in this case. There have been not many storylines surrounding the ethics and personal choice of those on TV. Not that this storyline was about that, but you'd think a show like this *should* be more aware of the various influences which surround its characters. Instead it's Max and his magic ATM machines. That has got to be a parody right?
  12. This one? Wanna hug? It amuses me that I still use this show as an example of writers ship stalling and having no idea how to have the main couple be happy together. "At least it's not a kidnapping from a wedding/frog eating clone/amnesia/arranged marriage/invasion arc!" Whenever something ridiculous happens to a couple on a TV show.
  13. I've started something of a rewatch and Nick/Juliette are extremely dull in a way that definitely fits with both of those character's low-key nature and long-term relationship even though I don't think the chemistry is there very often either. They'd probably have had a very average, happy, dull life if Aunt Marie hadn't rolled up with the trailer and ruined his proposal. Although even with straight procedurals that rarely stays that way on TV. DG/BT seem a lot livelier together and have more chemistry on BTS videos than they do as their Grimm characters. That said, they clearly had no idea what to do with her outside of 1-2 domestic scenes in S1 either. Even now I think the fact that she was a vet was supposed to lead to her being more involved earlier than she was in the show. I do wonder if Rosalie moved into her narrative space. Obviously not as Nick's girlfriend but the writers realised that having a "quirky" female character who was part of the Wesen community, could mix up a variety of different magical potions to help save the day, whilst also giving the very popular, fun Monroe something to do was more interesting/easier than writing more for the low-key, strait-laced vet give her opinion on a Kunigshlange's weaknesses via her knowledge of King Cobras for example. Which lead straight into "giving Juliette something to do" by creating one of my least favourite ever TV arcs in Grimm S2, it's almost more frustrating than the kidnap/frog eating clone/amnesia/New Krypton arc on Lois and Clark. And I still can't believe Nick ended up with Adalind partly due to a rape storyline, even 5 years later it kind of blows my mind even if they did have some chem.
  14. I think we roughly agree on a lot. A strong/interesting premise and good storytelling are certainly important to be but looking back I've stuck with shows long after their premise is played out and their storytelling falters (or dives off a cliff) if I like the interaction between the characters. I'm more likely to give a show another chance early on if the actors click on screen either together or separately.
  15. Exactly. I really get people wanting the potential explanation right away for various reasons but it was never likely to go that way. I mean, I hope they don't tease until the last second and (if lucky) end up with an "oh it's an alternate universe 'twist'" in the final 30 seconds but we shouldn't be surprised that they aren't laying all their cards on the table. We were discussing Fringe a while back and even Fringe didn't become "Fringe" for a while. Walternate wasn't on the table in the pilot for example. People simply compared it to Alias, JJ's other works and X-Files. Most good spin offs really only get into their mythology as the show gets going and whilst that's tricker for prequels, I think still holds true. Of course since this show definitely doesn't have the luxury previously afforded to many CW shows, we can hope the "tight storytelling" leads to some answers this season. I'm glad that the chemistry between the four leads is mentioned in more than one review as good/excellent/standout, although obviously it's still subjective. But to me a series lives or dies on the chem between the actors, hence why I still checked in with SPN over the years despite not watching constantly to the end.
  16. It definitely was but it's still a cute coincidence (or semi deliberate foreshadowing). I just like that art so much better than the previous ones. It's striking and different than the general CW stuff has been the last few years but also reminiscent in a good way of American Horror Story.
  17. It may or may not be a dead show walking but it has a new and much better poster:
  18. This is an advance preview of 5.01 from SpoilerTV. There are few specifics but there are spoiler teases. Safe to say it sounds like it will end up upsetting as many people as the finale did and not just Sharpwin fans either. https://www.spoilertv.com/2022/09/new-amsterdam-season-5-episode-1-title.html
  19. Bridget Regan is a good get for this show. Is the WB camping down on other unofficial merchandise for other properties? I feel like SPN has often had more leeway than some others, a friend bought a hoodie with Sam and Dean fanart on it once but very clearly J2. Then again it surprises me what for profit fan artists can get away with in general. But it is "free" promotion for the show, unless they're planning a lot of official stuff down the pipe.
  20. It really was beautiful. My thoughts are pretty jumbled right now and I think I'm going to need a second viewing to absorb it all. But I do know I am going to have to turn off my Silm geek head and just try to enjoy it as it's own story as I did the LOTR trilogy (I couldn't do it with the Hobbit unfortunately). "Galadriel" in Valinor instead of Artanis, Silm chronology all over the place, Galadriel's oath to end Sauron because of Finrod etc etc I know there's some question of what they were allowed to use from anywhere not the Appendixes but still. I do like Morfydd Clark a lot as Galadriel though.
  21. @Lastcall mentioned that ET said that that line was said to Dean, although I don't know it ET are just taking the trailer at face value or if they have confirmation from somewhere. If it's the former then it might well have nothing to do with Dean at all. Because yeah, promos be deliberately misleading all the time.
  22. I think if they were going to bring Sam's son into it then they'd have just started developing a show about him. It's not like Legacies type shows haven't happened on the CW. JP seemed interested in one happening during Walker promo IIRC and he might have actually assumed that that would be the SPN project that Jensen was developing. Since Jared is not involved and no one felt the need to consult him I doubt they have any plans to make it All About Sam. I think the WB owns all the rights to Supernatural's characters. IIRC they didn't actually need Kripke's permission but wanted his blessing anyway. The most Dabb would likely get would be royalties for creating the character in the first place and maybe a "character created by" credit. I doubt they're going to change the ending at least in a potential "prime timeline" but they might play with it in alternative ways.
  23. The thing is, if the mission or framework of the whole show is about Dean needing to know about his parents in order to find Sam then there's going to be even more outcry over JP not being involved from the beginning or given an Exec producer credit etc. IMHO best stick fairly clear of Sam stories until/unless JP does guest narration one day "so I was telling my son about his grandparents and it got me wondering what was the real truth...." They could even start to play with unreliable narrator that way with Sam "imagining" his parents doing something. I wouldn't necessarily mind if it was set before Dean died but then "knowing the real story" didn't change anything for the better. I doubt they're going to make the framing device and Dean's appearances too complicated because he isn't the story and Jensen is busy on other shows but I agree, it's definitely getting more curious than what I thought originally. Which was basically a mash up version of HIMYM/Young Sheldon and "old Bilbo" and Frodo's 2 minutes in the Hobbit. Even though he wasn't there. I imagine that this show will become a sub forum here since it hasn't got it's own yet?
  24. Here's the link. Not a huge amount of new scenes but apparent confirmation that Dean is talking to someone. I wonder if there's a reason that Dean is looking into the "truth" about his parents other than being curious and wanting something to do in heaven? The woman is right, heaven would be the place to let the past and earthly pain go, in theory at least. A love story with blood, guts and monsters would make a pretty good tagline.
  25. Heh, yeah. In SPN there was a lot of propping of certain characters and none of them were female. Much as I enjoyed early seasons of The Flash the writers had a habit of Barry not just getting pep talks from his own team but characters from other shows talked about how he was the purest hero or whatever. In the context of the original remark about OUAT. IMO that show stumbled because it propped Regina but not because she was a woman who was a Mary Sue but because she was a villain. But we're told she was the biggest woobie victim of all time and all *her* victims totally deserved her wrath because they were mean to her and didn't want to eat her lasagne. But she still was shown doing awful things (like genocide!) that get glossed over almost every ep. The phase Strong Female Character has a lot of baggage around it in part because the mostly male writers in Hollywood (maybe until recently) only knows how to write one of those - basically a man with boobs who can do everything but have feelings. So many other female characters boil down to the Love Interest or Girl Friday and so many (not all) male writers have no idea what to do with them. With The Winchesters Mary looks to be the physically and probably emotionally dominant one in the pilot because she's the Hunter and John is the overwhelmed newbie who is just finding out about this entire world and his history with it. And also dealing with coming home from the war. But that doesn't mean it will stay that way. I think they'll balance each other out. I assume they're also trying to create a contrast with later John and all his many flaws. I hope Carlos is *just* the comic relief as well.
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