SnarkyTart

Most of the season 4 premier episode of Fear The Walking Dead with the Morgan crossover has been spoiled (if you're interested, it's in that show's thread). Its story begins after the end of the "All Out War" Walking Dead finale. In the opening scenes, Rick visits Morgan (who's taken up residence at the garbage dump) to try to talk him into coming back to Alexandria. Carol visits Morgan to try to talk him into coming back to the Kingdom. Jesus visits Morgan to try to talk him into coming back to Hilltop. So, at the very least, we know Rick, Jesus, Carol and Morgan all survive the finale.

Oh, @icemiser69, we wish it was a joke. As inconceivable as such a thing is, it's truly happening. April 15, in over 750 AMC theaters nationwide, those who are weird enough to buy tickets will see larger-than-life Negan leaning, smirking, and dick-talking on the big screen. If you do a google search on "Survival Sunday AMC", you'll find a lot of links to confirm. I hope this ill-conceived, horrific marketing idea fails even more miserably than I predict and AMC loses a shit-ton of $$$.

An enjoyable show overall, unlike last night, which was mostly cringe-worthy for me. All the duet pairings were good, the celebrity singers generous, with one exception that I didn't mind at all and will come back to. My favorite of the night was Dennis Lorenzo and Allen Stone. Dennis hasn't grabbed my attention previously, but he held me transfixed tonight. He and Allen sounded so good together; both of their vocals were transcendent and when they blended together it was magical. Bishop Briggs blew Trevor McBane off the stage with that performance of her song, "River". But I didn't mind, because she was so awesome! Aloe Blacc's voice is so smooth, and so easy to listen to, loved hearing him on "Wake Me Up", though Dominique was just a'ight for me. Lastly, the celebrity singer who did the most to elevate their contestant/partner...the award goes to Luis Fonsi. For me, the song "I Can't Make You Love Me" has been overused on talent shows, plus I don't particularly like Michelle Sussett. Somehow Luis's coaching and interactions with Michelle made the song fresh for me, and made me enjoy Michelle's part in it. I wasn't sad about any of the eliminations, though there are at least a few I would have kept rather than Jonny Brenns or Catie Turner. I don't get either of them. At all. If I had to pick their replacements from tonight's contestants, it would probably be Dominique and Trevor, or even Brandon, though none of them were particularly good.

I agree with this sentiment. So, allowing one small sliver of hope that maybe Fr Gabriel sabotaged the ammo, rather than Eugene? Unlikely, given the show's habit of saving the characters most hated by viewers. Ugh, indeed.

Me three. He's an adequate guitarist, a mediocre vocalist, and a slightly above average (for this show) showman. But, when it comes to "rock", as a vocalist he isn't the equal of any of the past Idol "rock" singers - Chris Daughtry, James Durbin, Caleb Johnson, and throw in the arguably rock singers David Cook and Adam Lambert. Katy Perry has reached unbearable levels of embarrassment, and none of the three judges seem capable of offering honest or helpful critiques. With Catie Turner looking to be a frontrunner, this reboot isn't encouraging.

From the Spoiling Dead Fans forum. This was initially reported as being from a good source, but uncorroborated by multiple sources. It was later updated to say that it had subsequently been corroborated by another source. If your tolerance for the meep meep at wit's end, you might want to skip this... I wonder if they'll end the season finale with Negan running off and Rick chasing him, or if they'll end it with Rick capturing Negan and putting him in the jail that Morgan built. Either way, there will be no end of Negan, his dick, or his nutsack...ever.

Wow, now that I watched that, I do remember him on Majors and Minors (a show that I loved). On American Idol I've been wondering if he's on the autism spectrum, whereas on Majors and Minors I thought he was ADD.

A mildly interesting point buried in Negan's interminable monologuing is this toss-away line, revealing that Simon's the one who wiped out everyone at Oceanside. Maybe they bury this in Negan's verbal diarrhea because they know by now no one cares what happened to Oceanside, if they even remember who Oceanside is...though that speculative awareness gives the show much more credit than it deserves.

Me toooo. Oh, they also debunked the rumor that Sherry would be in this episode. However, for those who elect to watch 8.15 tonight, we will see Dwight imprisoned by Negan and wearing the orange jumpsuit after Laura rats him out.

Yahoo accidentally published a day too early an interview with Steven Ogg about how he's gonna die tonight in episode 8.15. They caught their mistake pretty quickly and deleted the article, but someone on The Spoiling Dead Fans forum (not facebook page) had already copied and posted it. So, if you have any interest remaining in how Simon gonna die tonight, here you go:

Placing the official gif of the Pre-Air Speculation threads :drinks:

Ed and Lee, I ship it. Their chemistry was outstanding. The set-up with the Riddler Game Show was delightful. I hope Lee's not just playing him, but suspect that she is. In either case, Riddler told the truth - she is playing a dangerous game. Ed loved Kristen Kringle too, and that didn't turn out so well for her. Oswald isn't going to be too happy about it either when he finds out, and that didn't turn out so well for Isabella. I liked the Jeremiah/Jerome twist. I didn't see it coming that Jeremiah as a child was (probably) crazier than Jerome, and that he made up the whole story about Jerome's attempts to kill him in order make their mom hate Jerome. Even if Jerome wasn't originally crazy, and this is what drove him mad, they are both cray-cray now. It will be a toss-up as to which of the two is the crazier adult. Not too much Tetch in this episode, so that was a plus for me.

I'm thrilled with the shocking, to me, winner! Anthony so deserved the win for that collection, which is why I never dreamed he would get it. I was sure the fix was in for Fabio's style, or as I call it "Brandon Redux" (of Project Runway last season). It was heartwarming to hear Anthony tell each of the judges what he learned from their notes, and exactly how he incorporated them into his collection. I also loved how drama-free this season was and how much all three finalists supported one another. It would be awesome to see Catherine Zeta-Jones wear Anthony's final dress on a red carpet. The dress was simply beautiful, and she would look gorgeous in it. Lastly, I thought Georgina Chapman looked particularly stunning, and the less said about Alyssa's finale look, the better.

From the Spoiling Dead Fans Army facebook page: So far, the only thing I've seen them confirm is that Simon gonna die in Episode 15. They're reporting an unconfirmed rumor that the person Negan picks up in his car is, indeed, Laura (the lady who can/will tell Negan that Dwight is playing for Team Rick), and another unconfirmed rumor that Daryl and Rosita will come across Sherry (Dwight's long-missing wife) in Episode 15.

You're right about that. From the always reliable Fear The Spoiling Dead Fans facebook page:

There was a time, many seasons ago it seems, that I looked forward to TTD. Back when there were still mysteries to be pondered, i.e., where did the zombie virus come from?, are there people working on a cure?, are some people immune?, are there pockets of civilization still functioning?, what can zombies actually do or not do? As well as character mysteries, i.e., where did Michonne and her leashed walkers come from? Back then, there were a lot of celebrities who were fans and would show up on TTD and fangirl/fanboy their little hearts out with theories and speculation. Back then, Yvette Nicole Brown would show up with reams of pages filled in a spiral notebook with all her speculation, observations and character theories. It was great fun. The show blew all of that sky high. Now every "reveal" is stupid and predictable, and the show made it obvious long ago that there are no mysteries, no unsolved questions, no interesting character backstories, no character development beyond their use as cardboard props. The Talking Dead no longer has a reason to exist, and I rarely watch it.

I felt like I'd seen both of their performances a thousand times.

Speaking of Coral, here's a trailer of the opening 3 minutes of Episode 15. We get to hear Coral's voiceover as Rick reads his death letter, and Coral (metaphorically) punches Rick in the gut about how Rick needs to make peace with Negan. This show killing Coral solely for the purpose of turning him into an easy, cheap plot device in the redemption arc for Negan can never be forgiven.

Thank you for bringing this over. From Part 4 (The decline and end), this made me sad... I so would have loved to see at least one season of Idol with former Idols as the judges. We'll never know for sure, but it could have been the show's salvation. I have to wonder why they bothered wasting all that money on hours of focus groups only to ignore what they learned from them.

Ima have a hard time hanging with this show as long as we're subjected to Catie Turner. I wouldn't even care if she's the world's greatest undiscovered singer, she's making the show nearly intolerable for me. Even when I try to FF through everything related to her, she manages to pop up everywhere unexpectedly, like the worst photo bomb addict ever. My guess is she turns into this season's Sanjaya, becoming impossible to be rid of until she outlasts a few fan favorites.

Yeah...this. Since all the other idiocy has been (well) dissected by others, this was the only piece of idiocy left undissected until you mentioned it. It really bothered me. Negan is strapped to the mechanic's dolly with what looks like cat 5 cable just below his shoulders, another above his wrists, and another at his ankles. His head is maybe 18" above ground level. The zombie, Winslow 3.0, is arched like a bow, with its head, arms and legs all secured to the cart (which looks a little like a hotel luggage cart). The zombie's mouth is maybe 3 1/2 feet above ground level. Jadis wheels the zombie cart into the arena and gives it a push towards Negan. Now, assuming that Jadis intended for the zombie to slowly eat Negan, if her plan had been realized, exactly how was this supposed to work? Neither Negan or Winslow can move, and Winslow's mouth is easily 2 feet above Negan's body, well beyond munching range. Not that it matters much, given that, in the short moment it took Jadis to disappear around the corner of garbage to get the zombie cart, Negan somehow managed to get out of the one strap of cable that had been around his wrists, freeing his arms to grab Jadis's bag, get the flare, remove the flare cap, rub the flare against the striking surface to light it, grab Jadis's photos and stack them in a pile on the ground next to his hand, and grab a gun. Meep meep.

Shrodinger's cat

LOL! I'm just reading along here in Pacific time zone and came across the post and said, "Meri? Kody? Crap, there's already more people I'm supposed to know, but don't!"

Oh, yay, the Spoiling Dead Fans Army facebook source came through.. Jadis ties Negan up and has every intention of killing him using a Winslow 3.0. She also plans on burning what's left of Lucille. However, Negan gets ahold of a gun and a flare and threatens to burn up all of her polaroids. He also promises that he will make right what Simon did, and so Jadis finally lets him go. Negan does make it back to the Sanctuary. Meep meep