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I think he gave his blessing to Tommy and Laurel it was more in "I have bigger things to worry about than relationships; go make each other happy." With Felicity, it would be more like "I love you but I can't give you what you want and now that I may never come back, I want you to be able to find happiness." But I'd really rather they didn't go there at all. But given MG's thinking and his multiple hankie spoiler, I really doubt it's going to be mutual I love you's and 'see you when you get back'. I know. They've written themselves into such a hole with Laurel. Either they change her personality or she's never going to make superhero status. I guess she has to have a series of islands because it never sticks. And why should it because, as John Campea said, the problem is Laurel's personality. I think she doesn't tell them but suits up and beats up something instead. If she told them, Quentin at least would be / should be angry, and they're going to need him to be on her side in the upcoming four part trilogy. Totally. Even to the producers loving her so much she never has to pay the consequences for her actions. While I'm all in favor of turning the knife in Laurel's gut, I'd rather it were off-screen so I can spend more time with Diggle and Felicity.

No, I don't think we have any confirmation that Felicity actually start to date Ray, and I really hope she doesn't. It's just the assumption for the "how is Guggenheim going to keep Oliver and Felicity apart next?" step.

I was thinking about what meets the criteria of a scene between Oliver and Felicity that the audience will need big box of tissues for; that Felicity knows "where Oliver is and where he isn't"; and that ends with Felicity dating Ray Palmer. Having Oliver leaving and telling Felicity before he leaves that he knows she wants a relationship (Diggle's weird wording of 'Felicity doesn't want to be alone') and that she deserves one and since he can't give it to her, she should have it with Ray because he'll treat her well. I will totally hate it as even more cheesy than Oliver seeing the kiss, but Oliver is that kind of idiot and MG would probably be thinking it's a brilliant twist to string out the agony I think the only reason that's in there is because the comic book boys, AK and MG and Geoff Johns, like arguing about it amongst themselves. Yes, I think so. But usually the Canadian promos are about the fights and hardly ever about Felicity. Even the Secret Origins promo only had a brief moment of Felicity saying that she wrote the program five years earlier and the rest was Arrow and Arsenal fighting.

It's interesting, the Canadian promo hardly ever shows Felicity and never Olicity. But if Cisco is saying "I'll always remember this" in response to a shirtless Felicity, it's nice to see Caitlin running to get something to cover her up. Solidarity among sister nerds.

I think Felicity is going to try to move on but you don't stop loving someone like that. Ray may do the salmon ladder and he may have the billionaire CEO stuff down pat, but he's not Oliver. When the writers do the next stall to keep Oliver and Felicity apart (and you know they will), I want Oliver to tell Felicity that even though he feels he can't be with her now because reasons, I want him to tell Felicity that he when he saw her with Lyla's baby, he wanted a life like that with her. That he has his own silent dreams (as she said to Barry) and they're of her. Tie together all the little pieces the writers have been dangling in front of us. Just to give me something to go on.

I don't think she was waiting for him until they were flirty flirty during the summer (which we never got to see) and then he asked her out in The Calm. But after he ended it before it began, I think she's been hoping that he would figure things out and decide he really can have a relationship with her. But he repeatedly shuts her down while continuing to dangle maybes (like the "and you know how I feel about her" in Secret Origins) and I think hearing him tell Cupid yet again that he can't be with anyone was the last straw. I wonder if that's why she gave herself permission to enjoy another man kissing her, and went in for more.

Hey, that analogy came from here. I can't remember whose it was (Orion? Ceylon5?) but when I read it, it struck me really nailing it why Felicity needs to stop waiting around for Oliver to get his stuff together and live her own life.

Yes, it is like slapstick and Arrow needs that. EBR seems to do it well, which is why the EPS were all about how wonderful her scenes with BR are (except no, they're not). That was kind of what Ryan McGee was saying in his part of the Ryan and Ryan report, that now that they've realized how popular Felicity is and how good EBR is, they're doing overkill with her. I saw it but I don't remember any Felicity scenes at all. The Canadian promos rarely have Felicity in them; I have to look at the New Zealand ones for that.

I hope Oliver doesn't. That would be overkill and cheapen all the feelings; he'd be thinking Felicity is making out with every guy but him, and then Felicity would have to placate him. I'd rather it be played for laughs between Barry, Felicity, Cisco and Caitlin. Thanks, New Zealand promo makers. You guys always come through.

This season? It wouldn't surprise me at all. Sara's whole death was a Bullshit move. It would be ba enough if it were written to plot. But it's written to plot contrivance, and that's much worse. The sad thing it, it wouldn't have been hard to write properly from the beginning. First, have Sara suddenly go missing rather that most sincerely dead. Then we could see everyone be more cautious while they frantically search for her, along with Nyssa who brought them info on what cases Sara was working on, and Laurel would be worried and scared instead of rage 'roidy. It would also make it acceptable for Quentin to be kept in the dark since he would be worried about what had happened to her and they don't want to tell him until they know for sure. Then produce all the possible suspects and eliminate them one by one instead of one suspect each week until you get to the last. And do the mystery continuously rather than one episode one, two off, so the suspense carries on through the half-season rather than having the audience forget every few weeks what it's supposed to be.

Mo Ryan and Ryan McGee seem to have picked up on that same theme, that "this is beneath this show", and while they're willing to say every show has it's bad episodes, they also spend a lot of time talking about how this season is meandering and pointless. They Oliver has been unpleasant this season and they're writing Felicity badly. They liked the Corto Maltese episode, likening it to first an episode of Strike Back (Strike Force in the rest of the world) and Burn Notice, two shows I really like. They both didn't like The Secret Origins episode because they don't like what the season has done with Felicity, who McGee has a crush on and Mo Ryan likes. (She's said before that Team Arrow is the heart of the show.) I'm happy that McGee said that Felicity being awed by the diamond necklace makes her "shallow" since that's the word I tweeted to MG. Both they and Rober Dougherty pretty much said every criticism we've had of this season. I wonder if the EPs pay attention to reviewers, and if so, who they pay attention to.

Yes, Oliver will think it's Thea and based on that go off, and then the audience learns that it wasn't her after all. Maybe even Sin, if she's deliberately feeding them bad information. Manipulated by Amanda Waller or Ra's. I've seen romance novels better written but I wouldn't put it past MG to mean this very thing. In Unthinkable, she concluded that Oliver was willing to sacrifice Felicity to save his true love, Laurel.

I love Dougherty's analyses, from " Arrow starts another season stumbling with Laurel Lance" to "Arrow Now Rushing to Overcome Ray Palmer's Awkward First Impression" because for me he just nails the problems with the show. Live this one: ... No matter what Stephen Amell says.

At the crossover screening, when asked about whether Caitlin will become Killer Frost, AK said that

That's what worried me when I heard Kreisburg was going to The Flash and leaving Guggenheim in charge of Arrow. I like The Flash, it's good fun and as Matt Roush said, it's the show with no casting mistakes. But somehow Stephen Amell, EBR and David Ramsey got me in my gut with Arrow and I'm having an awful time being able to quit it.

Didn't she even say that in the 103 episodes, that she's normally closed off and Ronnie reached out to her and warmed her up? The foreshadowing that scene was layered on with a trowel.

That is such an important message for girls ... and one that was absent when I was growing up.

I think that's what they're going for. They've brought it up a number of times, from her being cold to Barry at the beginning (she explained it was because her fiance died), to her refusing to go down to the machine, where he died, to the plea to Barry last episode saying she can't lose someone else she cares about. The difference between her and Laurel is that it's only been 10 months for Caitlin, whereas it was five years for Laurel. The other difference is that she's got a dry sense of humor, much like Diggle's. Her line to Cisco about the boomerang he was about to hand her in the episode where Plastique was turning everything into an explosive and blowing it up "You didn't think this one through, did you?" was the best line of the episode, I thought.. This is the first role I've seen Danielle Panabaker in and it's a MMV because I think she's a better actress than KC. Although the fact that I love Caitlin probably factors into that.

But he's tweeted it knowing that people who have no interest in Laurel will tune in to find out about more about Felicity.

So manipulative ...... to put Felicity's birthday in an episode about Laurel so we'll tune in to find out.

Having her crucible all in one night negates what Guggenheim says about it's not going to be an easy road for her. Getting it all over with in one hard night sounds easy to me. One of the EPs (MG) said that 10 - 12 were about Laurel becoming the Black Canary. Later AK added that episode 13 was called Canaries. So they're thinking of it as a Laurel trilogy, and I'm thinking it's 4 episodes I'm not interested in (except I do want to see Sara again if it doesn't make me too sad). And if Felicity is not even looking for Oliver, which means less storyline for her and Diggle as Team Arrow, that ramps the "I don't care" up to 12 for me.

Yeah, they blame bad storylines for the problems with the character. I think compared to Thea's, Moira's and Quentin story lines, they've been pretty good. The problems lie elsewhere but we'll see.

I was seriously worried for Eddie, and then I remembered he showed up on set while they were filming the cross-over episode so he wasn't going to die. I thought for a minute that Wells was going to go evil, and then they pulled back just before. Love the grey, grey. In terms of the storyline, I liked best that Iris saved herself It wasn't as interesting as some of the other scenes but very satisfying. it wasn't that so much for me but the "I've already lost someone I cared about, I can't lose you too" speech she gave. Keeping a ship on track is a delicate game and more and more I'm liking Iris/Eddie, and I always preferred Barry with Caitlin. Plus, they can talk science together which he can't with Iris. The feeding and facilities is getting more and more ridiculous. They need to figure this out because it's beyond the point of handwaving it away. Wrt the Central City DA, I can assume that Tockman committed some crimes in Central City before he hit Starling City and the CC DA got first prosecution.

If they don't blame it on rabid Olicity fans, what are they going to say? People are dreading the episodes because it's way too fast? John Campea said that but Laurel/BC fans won't. That people don't like Laurel because she's not in the fishnets yet, but here she's going to be and that's what people are complaining about. Any other reason other than Olicity means that Laurel/BC isn't working and they're not going to say that. I can understand including MG now because people are dreading it and hoping that he will give them something that will make them excited about it, like a tweet about really good scenes with Diggle and Felicity while Oliver is gone, but yeah, better wait till the episodes actually air.

That promo does look like fun. I'm looking forward to Barry/Oliver and Caitlyn/Cisco/Felicity. Is that Diggle's arms Iris is talking about? So Oliver just appears at the end then? Ta Da!