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I actually enjoyed the finale, because I did not see the twist coming, and being surprised by a twist is one of my very favorite things in life. But I really do not need to see another scene of Huck mounting Quinn ever, ever again. It is the very opposite of sexy. It's something you would show to people who were trying to remain celibate, to give their willpower an extra boost.

Even though his wife was a horror there are other ways to get out of a marriage, so I felt sorry for him too, but not to the point where I'm ok with the murder. (Edit: changed 'was was' to 'wife was.')

I think we do that as well, and I wonder why that is. Wish-fulfillment maybe? A desire to be so good at something that people just had to put up with your crap and bad manners? (I apologize that I didn't put your name in the quote, but I accidentally backspaced twice now and the system ate the quote, so I give up.) Anyway. That's the exact same gripe I had with it. I love the episode in general but I wish they hadn't tacked on that "I had a feeling" ending. In my head, I pretend she's lying so that she doesn't look suicidal. Sure, until they cloned themselves right out of existence!

But humans wrote the supersmart condescending aliens, so on some level we must believe that we're the dumbest species in the universe. Dumb, but with better manners.

Funny you should say that about BBT because a few weeks ago I was telling someone I loved sci-fi and their response was, "so, like, you get all the jokes on Big Bang Theory?" And I just remembered that one of those jokes was that Sheldon doesn't like B5, heh. Anyway, sorry for derailing this, back on topic! It's interesting to me that I probably would have said the Shadows were the evil ones if I was just answering off the top of my head, because the one we got to "know" was a Vorlon, and so often it seems like that makes all the difference. I think maybe we'll make excuses for/try to understand/have empathy for the party we know vs. the one we don't, so that even if all things were equal otherwise, the people we know would come out on top. And maybe that's the mistake the Shadows made - they should have sent someone to represent them as well.

Sorry, of course people in this thread would have watched most sci-fi shows, I'm just unused to that. In real life I know people who watched Star Wars (or at least heard of it) and that's about it. The books sound intriguing, I'll check them out.

I never thought about it before, but that is so true. Advanced races are condescending jerks and when humans prevail it's because they're not too smart for their own good. In fact, that was the entire premise of Eureka. (Except they were all humans in Eureka.)

I agree on the Tollan, but for me the difference was, the characters weren't enchanted with them either. Somehow that made their smugness less irritating.

I never knew that, thanks for mentioning it!

Oh my God someone else who watched Earth: Final Conflict. That's a good analogy, I see what you mean.

And along those lines please feel free to call me whatever shorter name you want - RC, Chance, Random, something else ... it doesn't matter, so long as I can tell you're talking to me. I saw the episode 1969 before I ever saw CoTG and I only watched the movie a few months ago because it was streaming on Netflix, so it was 1969 that got me in the door (or through the gate, ha) and I honestly don't think I would have ever watched another episode if my first one was either the movie or CoTG. Which would have been my loss, but I've never been keen on sci-fi where it's all just people shooting at each other. My favorite S1 episode was Singularity, with runners-up being Brief Candle and Thor's Hammer. I have never been all that enchanted by the Nox, maybe because their smug know-it-all attitude reminds me too much of a really irksome family member.

Haha - seriously! "What is wrong with this picture?" I've only watched The Middle a few times but the actress doesn't seem as screechy in that one, so I wonder now if the shouty yell machine was an acting or a directing choice.

Maybe they should have had an episode where Debra locks the doors and then Marie breaks a hip climbing in through a window or something that would serve as an explanation.

To me, it was always Zoe and Wade, but I agree that it would be weird now for them to get back together. He was friends with Joel, his current girlfriend is her cousin, there's a kid involved (even though I can't stand him) - it all got too complicated. It used to be a lovely fantasy and now it's as messy and awkward as real life.

I like these new Swiffer ads so much more than the old ones where their products made a mop cry in the corner.

I think the audience probably prefers Wade but I'm not so sure about the writers. And I agree, there is absolutely no chemistry between Zoe and George.

To me the Shadows philosophy is right up there with "the needs of the many outweigh the few" and the Prime Directive as horrific things that pose as noble intent.

I could be wrong but I think I remember their explanation being, it's too close to syndication. But even so, I agree that the writers are treating this like a maybe-final season. Although I'm surprised that they went Lemon/George, I thought their pets were Lemon/Lavon and George/Zoe.

She's the reason I even gave this show a chance, so I'm forever grateful to her for being in the cast. I did not think a show about criminals in prison would be even marginally interesting, or that I would care about any of the characters. I was very wrong.

TVByTheNumbers still has this as a certain renewal, for what it's worth. I didn't like Joel originally but I started to warm up to him at some point, so I was sorry they wrote him off. I guess this show is going to be just as stubborn as How I Met Your Mother and whoever they envisioned as endgame will by God be endgame, no matter how little sense it makes.

One thing I noticed watching it on Netflix, there's an episode where Robert's ex-wife is bitching at him and running him down in front of his family, and Debra tells Robert he should stick up for himself because he doesn't deserve to be treated this way. The ex-wife's behavior is virtually indistinguishable from later-season Debra's. Ninth-season Debra is even a little worse.

I know what you mean, I'm always trying to solve the problems of fictional people. "Buy a lock, Debra! And let her clean the house if she wants to, damn!" Ray did stick up for her in the earlier episodes, but I suppose at some point they figured he would be funnier if he let her hang.

Debra was a passive-aggressive mean person - she'd say something really mean, wait for the reaction, and then claim she was just joking. She also almost never stood up for Ray vs. anyone (offhand I can only think of the cookie lady), and she'd often run him down in front of other people.

I'm no expert on this show either, mstaken - I would have no idea what "it's all about the hair" meant for example without someone explaining it to me. There are a lot of episodes I've only watched once. I'm pretty sure there are a few I've never seen. I like S9 and even S10, and Cam. My memory is like a sieve if someone jabbed a big hole into the sieve. I'm glad you're joining up! Edit: Forgive me but, I didn't notice this got changed from June to April until just now.

I forgot about Rachel, she did seem pretty cool. As for Lorelai, it's not the drama that would put me off, it's the endless jibberjabber. The bits, the asides, the tangents, the interruptions, the explanations nobody asked for - she never stops talking. I could take maybe a couple minutes of that a week, tops.