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I'm not sure this is true, didn't she say the shade was in payment for her help? She still helped them. As for these episodes: you know when a show has lost you and you're not sure if it's because it's worse than it was before or if it's because it's just... lost you? Well, this show has lost me. I was mostly bored. Apart from the digs at Trump of course. That shit never gets old.

They are, the show is being tipped for cancellation. This is season 5 and the ratings are nonexistent. I would be very surprised if we got a season 6. Hopefully the writers are prepared to wrap this up in some way, otherwise we'll be left with some crappy incomplete ending. My main source is Cancelled Scifi, which has put it 'On The Bubble' and is suggesting a Call to Action for fans to convince the network to keep it or to get someone else to pick it up. I'm of the opinion they killed their own show last season so I don't really care either way.

Did they reference The Celestial Toymaker? Wow, that's an old story. Chibnall continues his Classic Who crusade. Regardless of how you feel about it, it is certainly endlessly interesting.

Delightfully scattered but always thematically on point. That is not true of this season because its main theme is just 'not a cis white guy doing this'. I know this because they literally told me that was the theme i.e. they actually had it come out of a character's mouth.

Not just you, this season doesn't know what it's about. I could cue up my regular rant on this issue but they've played my song already. Just read back. I suspect it won't be. I suspect all three quests are actually the same and something about the convergence will result in magic that caused the time dilation.

That spoiler reminded me of something that occurred to me during that "sexist pig" scene. That if somebody wanted to send Juila off on a quest for their own benefit, then telling her she's not good enough for it would be the number 1 way to ensure it would happen. This. I've felt manipulate all season, I don't like it.

I completely agree but for me I like her far more than Julia. I find Julia self-righteous, entitled and with zero self-awareness. So while Alice can be hard to watch she doesn't make me furious like Julia does. Even in this, she doesn't call Alice selfish because Alice is selfish. She calls Alice selfish because Alice didn't take into account Julia's feelings. On account of her being way more important - both to Quentin and to the universe generally. I legitimately hate Julia as a human being and that has not changed. She is the worst of entitlement made flesh, even in a show that is about privilege and entitlement (and that says something). On the other hand, at some point Margot became my favourite character. I just love every second of her. And that's because her growth as a person is extraordinary. She doesn't want her Kingdom back because she deserves it. She wants her Kingdom back because at the moment that's the best thing for her Kingdom. Just like she gave up her Kingdom because it was the best thing for her Kingdom. Julia would want her Kingdom back because she deserves it on account of being Julia.

Parts of this episode didn't make any sense and I assume that's deliberate (since I'm still giving these writers credit through the white-hot rage of my fury) and near the end it occurred to me that they could be angling for Quentin to be the Dark King - and thereby giving themselves a post-hoc justification for killing him off (he was probably evil, yo!). I really hope not. That would piss me off good. Nonetheless, parts of this episode really didn't make sense and I hope those discrepancies are deliberate. For example, they are being mind-fucked by the Dark King.

That's a good way to put it. I'm cynical as hell but I guess I didn't have anywhere else to go and may as well give it a shot.

Hey, remember how the Magicians was always quite good but had a tendency to be subtle as a fucking sledgehammer? Yeah, me neither. Congratulations, you killed your own show. "Sexist pig" - oh yeah, hilarious PS It's more effective if you show us things rather than have them come out of character's mouths as dialogue. But thank you for explaining the show's themes using exposition. That's not clunk at all. BTW, your show? Isn't about anything anymore. Because the only way you can subvert the sexism and classism in the traditional hero's journey is by subverting the arc of the traditional white cis male character you just killed off. If you wanted to subvert it by not having one then you should have... not have one. Oh wait, then your entire storyline wouldn't have worked. Before I tuned in, I asked myself if I had yet recovered from the white hot rage of Quentin's death and... yeah, nah. Apparently it hasn't been long enough. Don't tell me how to grieve!

I enjoyed this episode a lot as long as I didn't think about it too much. I'll just hand wave the alien pathogen as "It's alien!" and that's why everything about it made no sense. the thing about this episode - and in fact about a lot of episode since NuWho started - is that it needed to be a two-parter. Some things, like the circling birds in particular, could have been milked for menace. The birds from above, the aliens from below, the bacteria from within. The sense of all those things closing in on you could have been milked or horror and we wouldn't have had a character death that everyone just... didn't notice... which I thought was kind of awful). As a two-parter, this would have been really good.

I'm not going to argue about interpretation from a subjective medium but to me that wasn't what that meant at all. What it meant was that her life changed the universe slightly towards the better. Her acts were the impetus for others to be better, even if it's just in small ways. That each good life lived moves humanity slightly towards being better. The Good Place has named their philosophy more than once - it's that life has no meaning but to live well now to make the world better for everyone.

Who? They should do what we did and come back when there's a new showrunner because, fracking hell, Moffatt was a dumpster fire. Whether you love or hate his decisions, Chib is not a dumpster fire. I may have some issues with his steady middle-of-the-road storytelling but at least the show isn't spraying burning trash down upon me. I do hope he brings this storyline home though. He has the potential to piss off almost everyone so I hope he doesn't. Someone above mentioned the Cartmel Masterplan though, and those are words I hoped to never hear again -ever.

It got a bit overwhelmed (what with my hatred of this whole season culminating in Oliver 'accepting death' and him being treated like some sort of Father of Everything while simultaneously being separated from his actual children) but... I can't express how irked I got at William being rescued and neither him nor Felicity having a moment. The whole thing about him feeling abandoned by her and Oliver was a huge part of his character. That's just been overthrown but no time was spent on it. In fact William as a character got almost as short a shrift as Felicity herself overall.

I don't know, maybe I am. I'm one who found the Eternal Library Matrix ending for River in Doctor Who to be a horrible nightmare too. Sure it might be good for a hundred years or so but what then? You can NEVER LEAVE. I'm all for the Good Place and its "heaven needs an exit sign" philosophy.

But it's not real. And none of his friends and other family are there. They don't get to grow old or watch their children grow up or be a part of any of their friends' lives. This Matrix nightmare of eternal sameness is... horrible. It's horrible.

Apparently I still have more because I'm just so angry that THIS character gets deified when that's literally the last thing either he or his fans wanted. All he wanted was to retire somewhere with his family and cook omelettes. Not give birth to a new universe where crime miraculously disappears and people worship him. This is the exact opposite of a happy ending and it's the exact antithesis of who this character was or what this show was about. Like Oliver himself, Arrow really was sacrificed on the altar of a franchise; his death giving birth to something bigger than himself but only by losing everything he ever wanted or was supposed to be. I hate it. I'm so glad it's over. I'm so glad I'm free. Farewell Arrowverse or whatever your creators are calling you now. I will miss you for some weird reason. I will miss what you should have been.

This has got to be the saddest goddamn ending I could have possibly envisioned for this show. I can't believe I stuck around this for 8 years so that I could watch Oliver's "Mission" succeed through mumbo jumbo magic while he and Felicity get stuck in some imaginary bubble universe away from everyone they cared about. As well as being Arrow's Regina, Laurel is literally this show. She died several years ago and we were all glad but somehow she's still around, pretending to not be a showy platinum doppelgänger of something we cared about for two seconds but disappeared a long time ago. RIP Arrow. Again.

I was just thinking that what this show really really needed was yet another backdoor pilot. Glad they managed to fit that in!

I got nothing. Oliver dying a hero is literally the worst ending that anyone could envisage for the show and for the character. I liked how they used Sara, I liked it a lot. She was the only character written consistently across this whole thing who could be said to have an arc and who was given some moments to breathe that made sense. Everything else was a giant mess with a huge Felicity-shaped hole in it. And don't get me started on William and Mia not re-appearing. I'm sure fans of the other shows have similar gripes; up to and including characters disappearing and re-appearing, sometimes randomly. If the multiverse didn't collapse then how do some of the other universes exist but others don't? None of it made any sense. And now Oliver got the 'heroes' ending both he and his fans never wanted.

Oh good, I'm finally in the Arrow portion so now I can have a good-old rant. *finds herself speechless* Flips Table instead.

OMG, that's the only thing I could think of for the entire episode. We just got 3 billion or so refugees (and we all know how well we respond to refugees). Not only that but there will be billions BILLIONS of doubles and our planet can't sustain the population it already has.

I can understand why some people would love this episode but I found it to be mostly fan service - and rather banal fan service at that. Mileage varies of course. I feel like everyone should just listen to Sara always and no one does and that's the universe's biggest problem.

Yes and yes. I've been praying this will be cancelled for years so I can be free, finally. I dropped everything but Arrow a while ago and now I have been emancipated!

That was kind of generic and banal until they tried to make me think they killed off Oliver in the first episode of the crossover, which is an episode of Supergirl. The worst thing is - after some of the nonsense they've pulled the last few years - I'd believe them entirely capable of it. The only other thing I got is - thank God they finally put Kara in a proper uniform rather than that sexist 1960s intergalactic cheerleader nonsense.