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Oh, awesome! Thank you, @Spunkygal

I've been watching the Christmas Cookie Challenge that some of y'all were talking about in the episode thread. I was really skeptical at first, but I put it on in the background, and I think this is actually my new favorite baking show. I was watching some of the reruns this weekend, and it seems like the perfect medium to be able to have beautifully decorated bakes in the short amounts of time they're given. They have some really talented bakers/decorators as well. I don't know if there needs to be a whole thread devoted to the show, but I thought I'd see if anyone else wants to chat about it. I really like the host, and I know a lot of people don't like Ree, but she doesn't bother me. But mostly I love seeing the process of the decorating and the mostly lovely results.

I am fascinated by human beings and their behavior, which is why most of my DVR is full of reality ("reality") TV, but I just love a good whodunnit as well, so I think that's a big part of my love for true crime.

If Trevor's clients haven't watched the TV show American Greed, they need to. Usually the guy living the crazy, opulent lifestyle isn't doing it off his own profits; he's doing it off the investors' money. I'd keep a close eye on that one if I had my money with him. And I thought Jeff was putting pepper on his salad. That was a neat little contraption.

I hate Chloe for making me side with Jessica. Chloe is one freakin' spoiled, immature kid. And a lot of that is probably Jessica's fault, but, damn, that brat has no idea (and no appreciation for) what her parents are doing for her and her child. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, though, they're in a Catch 22. They've got a granddaughter to think about now, and as dim as Chloe is, she knows enough to use Ava against them.

That's what pinged my hinky meter, too, Calamity Jane. That and the act she put on when she was first talking to the detective in the interrogation room, not knowing he knew the full story. She definitely deserves sympathy and consideration for the ordeal she went through, but many people have had horrible childhoods and not resorted to murder.

I was pleased when Frankie basically told her to shut her pie hole and let him talk to his boss.

Yes, sorry, totally agree. Didn't mean to imply it was both of them. I think this is all on Mckayla as well. I don't know what the reality is of Caelan's involvement, but he seems like he's really doing the best he can and all he gets for it is shit from Mckayla and her family. In other news, Lexus looked awesome in the preview for the reunion special.

I don't follow these couples in real time, so I don't know if Mckayla and Caelan's breakup was really for good this time, but I just feel like it's really because Mckayla has realized that she hates having her own apartment because it means having to take care of her kid full time. And now she's knocked up again. It would not surprise me if this was all a ploy to be able to move back home to get the free child care and that they are back together again. And putting the "Big Brother" t-shirt on Timmy to break the news to Tim? Ridiculous. And it seems like Grandma cosigned all this nonsense because she obviously already knew Mckayla was pregnant. Mckayla sure knows how to work those two. Cry some tears, and Grandpa will do whatever it takes to make it all better and protect Mckayla from the consequences of her actions, even if it puts him in his grave.

Malena has been desperately trying to keep the crazy under wraps all season, and it just burst forth like a tsunami. How do you come back after that? I'm bummed the season is over. I just love everything about this show and these women. I never even watch football, but something about TC and DCC fascinates me. I don't even know anybody else who watches this show, but it's got to be one of the most posted about shows on this forum. Nice to know I'm not alone.

If I implied it was just for ID shows, that wasn't my intention. Fable just mentioned two shows that are on ID, so that's what I was addressing.

I think this thread is pretty much a catchall for ID shows since a lot of the posters here started out posting on the forum about the ID channel, and then TPTB decided to complicate things and make that forum only for discussion about the channel itself and not the shows. I don't know, but I'm thinking maybe those other forums that get started for ID shows are started by people who don't know about this forum or just want to talk about that one show. I think it's perfectly fine to talk about ACTR or People here, but when people mention there's an actual separate forum for it, I think they're just letting you know there's more discussion elsewhere, not that you can't talk about it here.

I don't think Quinton is the sweet boy his mama thinks he is, but there's just not enough evidence to convict him. Thank God rational people still understand the value of innocent until proven guilty. The only thing that made me think he was guilty in the first trial was the cell phone data. But then that other expert who didn't testify explained why it wasn't valid. I was hoping to hear about that in the retrial, but I don't think it was touched on at all last night.

I am really enjoying this family and the show, especially since the Busbys' show is so staged now, but I do understand the fun of hate watching something, especially when the majority of people are hate watching. But there are many times on Previously TV when I have wished there could be separate threads for people who are love watching a show and people who are hate watching a show.

Hmm, Danielle has said she's not a good cook, and I don't recall Adam cooking much. Uncle Dale seems to be the cook in the family.

I watched the first hour, but I've seen the Netflix doc, and Dateline didn't seem to be covering anything new. I haven't erased it yet, so let me know if it's worth watching the second hour.

This is exactly why I couldn't even finish the episode. I really, really, really don't like to watch interviews with people who are still so torn up by a loved one's murder. I'd rather just have the cops and DA's and reporters, etc, give the facts. It's just too heart-wrenching.

Totally agree with this. If Max had tried to be a part of comforting Chloe, he would have caught hell for trying to take over or not doing it the way Jessica wanted. Re Mckayla, why has no one told her, "Girl, you can get married whenever you want. There's the courthouse."

It's amazing how much better VK looks when you can't see her mouth. That link to her Instagram sent me down a rabbit hole. I saw a bunch of her DDC prep classes. Boy, she looked so much thinner and younger and had a fresh-faced prettiness. Not sure what went wrong.

Thank you so much @Lisin. That is crystal clear now.

If that was my kid, he wouldn't haven an Xbox anymore.

Can somebody explain to me New Hollywood, Old Hollywood and Valley Vista? I assume their office is in New Hollywood? Will New and Old be flipped when the one they're going to live in (Valley Vista?) is finished? Is Valley Vista close to the Hollywood homes? TIA!

Jeff and Gage are at it again. Not only are they competing over who does what around the house, but whose flip is moving along fastest. Meanwhile, new troubles pop up at Valley Vista and Old Hollywood. Not to mention, team JLD has been rehired by Calabasas clients Liat and Trevor. Will the competition between Jeff and Gage break them or make them work harder? (I hope it's okay to start this thread. The show aired a couple days ago.)

I agree @trackrat59. I fast-forwarded through much of the Hawaiian episode. I really do not care about deep conversation between Adam and Danielle, Adam and his Dad, Adam and Dale, Danielle and her sisters, blah, blah, blah. The quints are at such a cute age. I love to hear the things they say. Show us more of that, TLC, because they will be past that stage very soon.

That whole sex talk was beyond weird. No doubt it was staged, but as a parent, I would not be doing that in front of cameras with my 15-year-old. Plus Laura spreading Ana's personal business so publicly, idk, it's just all very unseemly when it's someone so young. So now Ana goes to school this week, and everyone knows her boyfriend came on her sweatshirt, jeez. The only other thing that stood out for me was the toilet cleaning scene - lol. Who the hell cleans a toilet with a sponge and no gloves? I'm going to be having nightmares about that for weeks.