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Yeah, all this time and that goober, Blankenship, never mentions the mysterious depression in the ground that is just a stone's throw away from the house. I would laugh my living ass off if they decide to knock down the house and start digging under it. That would make this whole show worthwhile.

Wow, what a fantastic crab catch. Those things were gigantic. Does El Nino usually affect the fishing this way? Amazing.

Well, that settles it. There is only one definitive way to see what's in all those holes and chambers. They are going to have to drain the ocean. It's the only way to be sure.

Another season. What a hoot. Did you see the size of that digger they are bringing in next episode? If they dig a big enough hole, and they hit a sinkhole, maybe the whole island will fall into it and turn inside out. Then the treasure could be right there on the surface. Problem solved. Seriously, I was rolling my eyes when they spotted that hunk of "stuff" inside the pipe that had broken free and, they theorize, fallen down the narrow shaft and hit bottom in the treasure chamber. Everyone is beside themselves with excitement that they may have a sample of the floor of the chamber. That seems ludicrous to me, it seems physically impossible. What do you think? Oh, and we did find out what happened to the dye from last season - it stayed right where they poured it in and obscured the camera view they tried to get of the chamber. ha Why didn't they try for a camera view before they poured dye down the hole? Well, because then we couldn't spend all of this season trying to get a good look at the chamber.

I would love to see Josh and Elliot marooned on a boat together, just the two of them, in the middle of the Bering Sea, with a crab quota they had to meet before they were allowed to come back. hee hee

I love so many of the people on this show, but for me the star will always be the Bering Sea. Absolutely awesome, and so very scary. And the crab. The little glimpses we get of them on their way down the chute, or flying through the air as they are tossed back into the sea - they are so dang funny.

That Coast Guard rescue was amazing, a heart-stopper. Boy, it sure looked like Wild Bill's boat almost capsized at one point during that engine scare. Yeah, I feel sorry for Casey, too. Hope he can find a better gig. His insides are going to be one big ulcer if he sticks around the Cornelia Marie. Overall, a great opener for the season.

gaPeach, I think they were talking about residual radiation in a lot of those places, and not necessarily bits of the substance itself. However, I wasn't sure whether the teapot had actual bits, or what. It was confusing and they really should have been more specific. They said that the last time the Russian guy who handled the stuff was seen publicly, he had lost all his hair. For me, this was a strong indicator that he probably died soon after that sighting. Yeah, any time they showed anyone sitting at a table and consuming anything, I thought *uh-oh*.

The dog that barks at butterflies - what happened to him? I sure hope he went with Charlie.

Even though the wife got 40 years, she probably won't do all of them - 25 years, maybe. Unfortunately, that's the way the justice system usually works. I can't shake the idea that these murders were not the first murders this guy (and his wife) have committed. In the case we saw here, the victims were probably more prominent, and more easily tied to this guy. But there could be others who angered him over the years, and he dealt with them, but no one else ever knew about his connection to them.

Yes, also wondered about the dog. I think she said she was walking the dog that day. It made me think of the time Pres. George W. Bush choked on a pretzel while watching TV alone in the White House residence. His dogs were with him but never made a sound while he was struggling. Afterward, Laura Bush said something like, "Well, they are watchdogs. They watched." Some of those big dogs are so calm they just take a "huh?" attitude toward anything. This case was so horrifying because of what you said, JudyObscure, it made you question how you can trust anyone. How could you begin to figure out what goes on in the mind of a guy like this? An how can you ever be sure you don't know a guy just like him? Brrr And the parents raised the victim to think it's okay to leave your doors unlocked. Home alone, asleep, with the doors unlocked. Can't fathom it.

My gut feeling about the guy was that he was guilty as hell. Was it proven beyond a reasonable doubt? I don't know because I don't think we were shown enough of the testimony, cross-examination, and re-direct on this to guess. My dh and I thought the guy had a really good lawyer. Still, possibly against my own scruples regarding legalities, I'm glad the guy got nailed.

It's amazing how invested, and how keyed-up, this show can get you.

henripootel: Yes, my dh and I have been yelling about coffer dams since this series started. I would have thought that one of the first things they would do would have been to get a boat out there and take readings underwater to see if there were remains of some kind of coffer dams. How else could anyone have created any kind of flood tunnel? Their thinking process, and the order in which they do things on the show, seem nonsensical. In this latest episode they mentioned that, in the past, the last time Dan had gone down into the hole, the sides above him had started to collapse and rain debris on him, and his son only just managed to haul him out before a lot of debris collapsed down into the hole. Now their readings show some kind of blockage down the shaft of the narrow part at the bottom and they wonder what that debris is. What?! Maybe it's the selfsame stuff that collapsed in when Dan barely made it out? Duh to the max. And all the stupid mistakes they made when trying to lower the divers' bucket down to the water level. I absolutely loved the way Hutton Pulitzer had to show up with a bunch of lumber and do all kinds of reinforcement on that dive platform the gang had built over the hole previously. If he wasn't there, would they all have ended up in the pit because their rickety platform collapsed? Now that would have been some kind of finale.

Yes, Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child's fiction book "Riptide" has a very interesting take on the treasure and why it wasn't meant to be found. I agree with you about the color of the dye. They kept stressing that it was non-toxic and I wondered if the chemical makeup of it limited the choice of colors it could be. I have no clue about that. Also agree that it may not have been concentrated enough.

Okay, so on this last go-round the dye didn't come out. (Maybe it came out in the middle of the night - hee hee) So, if there really were deliberate flood tunnels, and there really were a treasure, what are the various scenarios that would explain why the dye didn't come out?

Well, Jax had quite the busy day, didn't he? And it was still very light and bright out when he embraced the semi. I hope T.O. knows how to do accounting because we know the guys are desperately in need of someone to take Bobby's place on doing the books. Thank goodness we got one last look at the inside of Gemma's office at Teller-Morrow. That absolutely hideous black and white couch we have seen and loathed a million times, the unpainted walls, the messy bunch of papers tacked to the wall without benefit of a bulletin board to back them up. And this was the lair of a woman who kept an immaculate house and once said, "I hate clutter.". Of course she wouldn't have had a problem working day after day in that ugly little shithole. And she always had Prospects at her beck and call who could have painted and fixed that office up to the standards of her home. Too bad Sutter never realized that. But then, he never has worried about being true to the "character" of the characters he has built in SOA. It isn't Happy Ending vs. Sad Ending that is the question, it is how you get there that is the question.

Even though it seemed inevitable at that point, Unser's death was still shocking. I laughed out loud when Gemma and Jax went on talking as if nothing had happened. Wonder if Unser's ghostly heart broke when he saw that Gemma didn't make anything of his death at all. For a couple of seconds in the garden scene when Jax took aim but started to cry, I thought he couldn't do it, and maybe he wouldn't have if Gemma didn't start giving him that pep talk. "It's time." "It's who we are." It's hard to believe that supremely selfish Gemma would encourage him to shoot. Nevertheless, I'm glad he did. While I've never had any sympathy for Juice since he killed Miles, I give him credit for not trying to take out Tully and not interfering with the club's deal with Tully. I think Theo Rossi has done a great job this season. His confession to Jax was an excellent scene, and the scene with Marilyn Manson tonight was very well done on both their parts. It feels odd that there's still another episode. It feels like it should end without an ending, with a lot of stuff still going on, deals in the air, Jax on the line with the other presidents, and us never knowing for sure what will happen. I don't know if I want it to get wrapped up with a bow on it. It doesn't seem to suit this show.

Ohwell: She did confess it to Nero, but she framed it in that way she has of putting the club first. John would have destroyed the club and she and Clay decided there was no other way to protect everyone, etc. Nero wasn't happy with it, of course, but at that point he himself had gotten back in deep with his club, and had been participating in gang stuff again. He understood the idea of taking drastic measures to protect the club from a member who had gone rogue, even if the guy was her (estranged) husband. Remember, Nero murdered his own cousin to keep him from taking Darveny away. Nero understood why Clay had to be murdered, and Nero and Gemma were right there and witnessed Clay's death. Again, Nero wasn't thrilled with it, but he accepted it and was still in love with Gemma.

missy jo: I believe that Gemma did indeed confess to Nero that she was complicit in John Teller's death, and Nero alluded to her confession later on when they were riding in a car and he said something about how her husbands had a way of ending up dead. He said it in such a way as to mean she is a Black Widow. Anyway, I remember Gemma and Nero sitting on a couch (at Diosa, I think) and her confessing the whole story of John's death.

If she is as scatterbrained as she seemed to be, maybe her son could have planned the whole thing out for her and told her exactly what to do and what to say to the police, and, meanwhile he sets up a solid alibi for himself. But she was just too dippy to do everything right. Unfortunately, that doesn't explain what happened to the weapon.

I was on a jury once, not a murder case, thank God, but a negligence case against two doctors. We listened to four days of testimony. When we went in to make a decision, boy, did we feel the weight of it. Everyone there really felt the responsibility of it and acted accordingly. I truly don't think the jury in this case did their job. Based on what was presented on the show, I know I could never find someone guilty of murder. That whole business about whether he had torn pants or not - to me it seemed like he thought he had to deny having torn pants because he was scared to death that if he had torn pants, then they would be sure he was guilty. I'm not saying he couldn't have done it, I'm just saying there is no way they proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it. It was mean of Josh to say to him that appeals in cases like this almost never succeed. If there ever were a case that should succeed on appeal, this is it.

Totally agree about those great scenes and impressive acting by Jimmy, Charlie, and Theo. I'm glad various cast members are getting these chances to show the great work they can do, before all this goes away. I didn't think it was possible for me to despise Gemma more, and then she gave that ring and that speech to Abel. With stacks of corpses trailing in her wake. I loved the scene of her at home, sitting at the head of that long table all alone and chattering away to dead Tara. It brought back scenes throughout the years of the club and family members at that table with huge serving platters of food, and everyone smiling and laughing. Of all the people we've envisioned going to The Farm with Nero, I don't think we ever envisioned Jax going. Now I'm wondering. I'm done with Unser. Who is he to lecture anybody? Mr. Morality all of a sudden? He and Chucky sitting there being two sad little men, pining over that worthless bitch who they're both so devoted to. Let them sit there and see their reflections in one another. I feel like John Teller, like I'm getting run over by a big truck.

glowlights: Thanks for clarifying. Boy, the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail are quite the partygoers, aren't they? They sure do get around. Don't be surprised if you sit next to one of them on a trans-oceanic flight one day. millennium: I remember reading that Barbados story as a kid, I think the title was: "The Creeping Coffins of Barbados"

I've been aware of the Oak Island mystery for so long I don't remember when I first read about it. So happy to have this show because it's the first time I've had a chance to really "see" the island up close and personal. That, in itself, is exciting for me. glowlights: Thanks for the link to that article. Still, it's not clear to me how Joe Nickell thinks the Masonic connection to the island provides a solution to the mystery. Is he implying that the Masons were merely acting out an elaborate ritual, using the island, and even going so far as to keep other highly placed Masons informed of the "progress" of the ritual, but everyone understood it was just a play and there was no real substance to it? No goal? No belief in anything really being hidden there? After what we've seen on this show so far, I'd guess that if there ever were a treasure of some kind hidden away, it wasn't on Oak Island. Oak Island would have been just a decoy.