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On 2/3/2022 at 1:32 PM, slowpoked said:
I've always thought of Moon River as Big and Carrie's song, in that I Heart NY episode, still my most favorite SATC episode ever. Like Big said, it's by Sinatra, and the song is so NY. I wonder why the writers didn't revisit that for AJLT. I mean, I like "Hello, It's Me" fine, but Moon River was more Big and Carrie, in that in the end it all fits and make sense, even though the individual words/lyrics didn't 🤷♀️
If my memory is still sharp, "Moon River" was more Big's parents' song. Made sense to me they would choose something different for Big and Carrie, although I did love them dancing to Moon River in that episode.
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9 hours ago, T Summer said:
Now I wonder if I listened to AJLT the writer's room podcasts (they're up on You Tube), editions 1-4 and 7 if I'd hear where the rest of the show ideas came from? I don't think I could take more of MPK though. That was a lot of source material cited in 2 partial podcasts that I listened to.
So I did listen to the ep 7 one and MPK seems to be stating 3 months is what went by, the time Carrie took to write her book. He also mentioned not making a big deal of Seema being the 4th at the table as they'd already done that with Anthony and it had been 3 months.
MPK -"We came up with this idea where we would go from fall through winter in one very slick very technicolor montage where Carrie is writing through 3 months."
Before they launch into 10-15 minutes of DISGUSTING vomit talk., they talk about getting Carrie to go out on a date using pressure from the publisher as the impetus. They touch on the subject of whether to show Carrie getting her photo taken making a profile? before ultimately deciding Seema will do it and "stage her", to make so so easy for Carrie.
MPK- "The interesting thing about that scene, in the editing room there were lots more jokes in it. When I was in the editing room I was like that feels like the old show, that feels like the old show. That feels like the old show. They're past that. There were jokes about we didn't date on apps, we used to get man's names off the cave walls."
IDK what show they're talking about, because these women did not deal with online dating and making profiles and they were in long term relationships when that became the way lots of people meet. Considering some of the other BS they've taken time up with, it doesn't seem like touching on these women being unfamiliar with dating this way would be a waste of time. Some might even consider it a glaring omission!
Then writer Elisa Zuritsky states professor Nya and her husband talking about trying to get pregnant and then realizing they're not is another scene based on an experience of hers. She sent her husband a text meant for his eyes only saying she's wasn't pregnant and please don't tell the kids. Then she accidentally pressed a button that prompted it to be read aloud by the robotic voice of the Apple play device, so the kids in the car did hear it.
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Oh, and guess what? Elisa Zuritsky plays tennis and becomes aggressive and competitive when she plays, diverging from her normal people pleasing ways. She has had fights with her husband over tennis but recalls one particularly bad one where they fought in the street from the tennis court all the way home.
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That's it! I can't put up with this egomaniac long enough to listen to 1-4. I think we now know where they get their story ideas, and the material they come up with to string them together has been laden with way too much focus on bodily functions... which has long been a refuge of untalented writers.
So disappointing. I'm all for women having opportunities to tell their stories, but that doesn't automatically translate into good writing. Especially if said writers are hired for a series that already has highly developed, aged characters.
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11 minutes ago, Yeah No said:
I just can't understand how former female writers of this series who are older themselves could have allowed all of this to happen. They above anyone should have known better. Perhaps the other writers got their way and they were voted down. I could believe that, actually.
I think in their zeal to depict a more progressive attitude in the new series they're forgetting that it shouldn't come at the expense of the humanity and the essential character of the characters, nor should one character's new epiphany about themselves involve them hurting another character along the way and making them look completely insufficient in just about every way. Not when we know that there could have been many other ways to handle it. How could they show Miranda to be an asshole and then expect the audience to cheer her? How stupid. These writers should know better.
Agreed. The writers missed almost every opportunity for growth and character development in their blindness for progressive themes. A talented writing cast should have been able to seamlessly incorporate these ideas, and their lack of talent is now on full display.
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13 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:
It appears that all of the writers, aside from MPK, are women. Names: Julie, Elisa, Keli, Samantha, and Rachna. However, I would agree with you that they are probably too young. That's just my guess, I don't know their ages.
Julie Rottenberg and Elisa Zuritsky were writers on SATC and seem to be in their fifties.
Keli Goff and Samantha Irby are in their early forties. Both have previous work that embraces themes of social justice, diversity, etc.
Rachna Fruchbom is 29 years old, previous credits include Parks and Recreation.
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Late to the party, so apologies if any of my points are repeats!
Charlotte's anger over the apology to Harry seems more to do with her desire to keep tennis as her own solo hobby. Nothing wrong with that, but just say that to your husband rather than curse him out on the street and childishly withhold apologies.
Same with Miranda. Compare her reaction to seeing Robert Leeds in their hallway (after the cheerleader incident) versus seeing Che. I really liked that Che told her to ask for what she wants directly, but why should a side fling be the one to remind her of this character trait that she already mastered years ago?
These are just a few examples of what is really grating to me about this show - we're to believe that these characters have shown ZERO meaningful growth from their thirties? It's become insulting to my intelligence.
Ironically, the only one who HAS evolved is...Samantha.
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23 hours ago, dariafan said:
There was a young woman who tried out years ago. She had been a laker girl and her mom was a cowboys fan. I can’t remember if she made it semis or not. But I think I just saw her on a cascada video from 2009. Evacuate the dance floor. Yes I am 1 of 4 people on my office and am looking at obscure stuff😎
Season 8 - Sandra Lynn from L.A. She didn't make it past prelims, which I thought was a bummer. She was definitely a better dancer than a one Kathryn Dunn.
ETA: A quick internet search (using her full name of Sandra Colton) reveals an extensive background in dance and entertainment.
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I've always loved Miranda and Steve as a couple, and I'm also able to understand that Miranda is not the same character that she was in the first series. She seems so miserable to be unrecognizable, and I'm a bit more forgiving in that aspect. I don't think this is top-notch acting or storytelling by any stretch, but I'm also not expecting her to do things that would be within the scope of her former self (such as talking with Steve about her unhappiness or putting her foot down with Brady and his girlfriend). She's just not there right now.
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10 minutes ago, Amethyst said:
The fact that Miranda is saying that she genuinely hates her marriage and life is truly sad. Carrie pointed out that it hasn't always been that way (and she's right) so I don't know if Miranda is exaggerating because she's so unhappy or if it's really true. At any rate, Che isn't the answer. Miranda is enamored with Che, but I think Che looks at this like a casual hook up and nothing else. If Miranda really invests herself emotionally with Che and it doesn't work out, I don't know how she can come back from that.
I think you are spot-on. I don't see a Che and Miranda storyline going forward, but I definitely see Miranda having to grapple with this probable fact.
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43 minutes ago, BeatrixK said:
I'm so torn. I wasn't fond of this episode, but I didn't hate it either.
1.) I felt like the crazy uncomfortable scene was directed VERY well. The cuts to Carrie at her lowers, while having to watch Miranda at what was clearly the highest point in her life created this weird raging anger at Miranda and wishing Carrie would have just jacked her up harder. But THEN...Cynthia Nixon really did kill it in portraying Miranda's midlife desperation. (I'm 3 months shy of 55 - I'm supremely in touch with those feelings!) Now....how they handle it will probably piss me off (Maybe he will go seek comfort on Stannies shoulder in Japan and never heard from again.)
2.) I do like how they are handling the Rock/Rose story line...and I like that they at least touched on some of the disappointments that the parents have to deal with - even when they are supportive to their kids in transition. It still is the death of dreams they had for their child's birth gender. It doesn't mean they are in denial or not supportive, but it is dealing with the future your head had for them and the new reality not making room for that. I thought it was good for them to acknowledge that there are issues, even in the most supportive of homes.
3.) Carrie retelling the diaphragm story, wearing that hat - cracked my shit up!
4.) A very popular sitcom from the 70's tried to reboot itself as a drama in the 80's. The Brady's was cancelled after 6 episodes. Because you can't take a comedy with the same characters in the same universe and just...fuck their shit up by being serious all the time. I watched Sex and the City for relatable humor about finding love and balancing work and friends and love -- not to have my midlife shit splayed out by characters who talked about funky spunk!
I'm right there with you. Didn't hate the episode, didn't love it.
I REALLY enjoyed the diaphragm story and Samantha's text responses. It was fun, and probably the only time I've laughed during this show so far. I would love to see more storylines like this, if only to remind me of the characters I loved. I understand everyone/everything changes and matures, but I'm struggling to see anything fun with them now. Especially Carrie.
Unpopular opinion - I don't mind Che. I appreciate Sara Ramirez' portrayal, and they are the only one making their character believable (even though I find some facets potentially problematic). Although I'm still loving me some bitchy Anthony too.
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15 hours ago, Marley said:
If Miranda and Steve aren’t having sex and she’s unhappy why doesn’t she talk to him. I think it’s stupid they are breaking them up. If they are doing that and I’m pretty sure they are. There’s so many better storylines they could be doing with Miranda and Steve. Also I don’t believe Miranda would be so weird about weed.
Recalling Miranda walking up to total strangers in her “skinny jeans” to ask for weed, I agree that she shouldn’t be so weird about it. Unfortunately, It’s believable for her character now. She has strayed so far from the original Miranda that she’s unrecognizable in nearly every aspect. I’m not enjoying it, but I understand.
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I'm 99% convinced that Dexter will die in the end with the next series focusing on Harrison (and Dex taking a Harry/Deb role for him in the background). Wouldn't shock me if Harrison is the one that kills Dexter.
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On 11/14/2021 at 8:38 PM, HitItHarder..BAM said:
Kelli and Judy definitely have one standard for those close to them and another standard for the rest of the team.
However, in Cassie's defense, exiting off a stage is a little more subtle than if she had run off to the sidelines in AT&T stadium to avoid the kick line. I honestly wouldn't have noticed her exiting in that video if I wasn't looking for it.
My biggest criticism about Cassie exiting the stage is that she's clearly not up to standards if she cannot do the kick line. I get that cheerleaders get injured (and she had major issues with her knee that year - a whole separate complaint that she was even allowed on the team), but she needed to step back and either not perform or let an alternate sub in.
I'm not sure is this was the USO tour she injured her knee on (as she described in her talking head in Season 7), but either way, she shouldn't have been allowed on the stage. But NO, they'll do everything they can to showcase Cassie on a coveted USO tour and give her opportunities that almost no other cheerleader would get.
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Season 7 (2012) Kelli: "The kickline is a dealbreaker because we do it at every performance, and we can't have the girls be mid-field on the 50-yard line and then a couple wave goodbye and run off because they don't have good kicks."
Unless your name is Cassie, who clearly runs off at about 2:24 to avoid the kickline. What, no goodbye wave?
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1 hour ago, StellaCL said:
Does anyone know if they did a big event similar to this when it was the 50th anniversary of DCC?
I spent just a little bit too much time today digging through social media and the big names we all remember from MTT - seems like a lot of them did not participate.
It wasn't quite the 50th anniversary (2008 would have been the 47th if my math is correct), but they did a very similar celebration for their last season at Texas Stadium:
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I'll echo the majority here by saying I don't think anyone (including K&J) expected AR to leave DCC until she had a firm offer from the Rockettes. If K&J want to claim to be the "best in the industry," they have to expect the dancers to move on to other opportunities. This happens in literally EVERY industry. If you want to keep your best performers from leaving, treat them in a way that will encourage them to stay (including better pay). Also, prepare for that possibility by selecting alternate cheerleaders that can step up in these instances instead of being so hyper-focused on the number 36.
I'm leaning toward the side of TV drama on this one.
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1 hour ago, Bellisima08 said:
I totally agree about Kat dialing it in. I've always thought she seemed more like a blender although she manages to keep some attention on her due to how expressive she is. Personally I am very unimpressed with how she conducts herself in the talking head segments where she seems to overcompensate on the excitement by repeating words multiple times in an increasingly higher pitch or by overemphasizing certain words. It reminds me of infomercial salespeople who act like they've downed 7 red bulls and yell "do you want a deal?" at the camera multiple times in a row. When Kat starts talking, she's barely said 3 words and I'm like "girl, chill!" To me, that doesn't scream "conducts herself well with the media."
Agree, and I cannot unsee this now! It gave me vibes of Becky's "Boats" commercial from How I Met Your Mother. Kat has always been waaaaaay too much for my taste.
I mean, Kelli DID say Kat needs to be a salesman during her first year audition...
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2 hours ago, PicnicLife77 said:
ETA: The part about Jordann's brother was absurd if you ask me. I've dealt with similar things in my family and understand that it's an important message, but that was just WAY out of place and a perfect example of producers pandering and hunting for any story they could find.
I understand what they are trying to do to revamp their image, but these segments are totally uninspiring and unnecessary. I'm very close to fast-forwarding through them, they are just that cringe-worthy.
I'm also willing to bet that even though weight is still included on their contracts and K&J will certainly cut girls based on weight gain/not looking good in the uniform, we will never see it on the show again.
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1 minute ago, Holly85 said:
Rachel w is engaged !!
Total snark - does this beautiful girl ever not have a lifeless expression on her face? It's borderline creepy.
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I'm with everyone that is not seeing the Maddie hype. She's officially KaShara 2.0, the one former DCC that TPTB have deemed the greatest thing ever and will be interjected at every possible opportunity. I'm willing to bet that it has more to do with which former DCCs are willing to be featured on the show, but still. Maddie is maybe a sliver above your run-of-the-mill average dancer.
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4 minutes ago, evasworld123 said:
I seem to be in the minority here but I didn’t mind Kelli getting his opinion! Travis is younger and more familiar with current themes of social media. He defended Ava at first saying it’s all about the content of the dancing, etc. Just didn’t like the flipping off the camera bit. Which I agree with. I think Kelli knows she can be a bit old fashioned. Bouncing her opinion off a professional who hires dancers all the time didn’t seem super off base to me.
Fair point. I did enjoy Travis' response that he is hiring different dancers than they are, which put the ball back in their court (where it belongs). I would expect that after countless years of being the leaders of DCC, K&J would have a good sense what the themes are among younger people. They don't have many squad members outside of their late teens/early twenties.
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For all the hype they gave Travis Wall, that choreography did nothing for me. It was uncomfortable to watch these girls sling their way through it with their awkward facial expressions (a la Vivian's lyrical solo in season 9). But I do love me some Travis! He's delightful.
Please, just cut Ashley already. Why the need to drag it out? Her dancing has been a snooze-fest since day one.
It's so obvious that K&J are trying to confirm their desire to cut Ava over the TikTok video without being the only bad guys. Be leaders and make that call yourselves - leave Travis (or any other guest choreographer) out of it.
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4 hours ago, RedDelicious said:
You're right, I edited my post. One can only hope she found a way to cope. I personally don't agree with the way she socialized her experience on Instagram because I feel it sends the wrong message to other young people. It normalizes extreme reactions in response to embarrassment.
This is exactly the way I read her post as well.
Not minimizing any feelings she had or tragedies she had to overcome. It’s just probably a better idea to address HOW she overcame these obstacles rather than trying to dictate how others should have managed her unpreparedness or endorsing a very extreme reaction to normal human emotions.
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2 hours ago, Meleighsa said:
The Ashley Paige situation still baffles me. They said she was stiff, but they brought her back into training camp. If the problem was her style, which remained the same, why bring her back? If she wasn't as bad as they made her out to be, what was the real reason for her cut(s)?
Okay. I wish someone had the tea about Carmen's situation. In season 2, they loved her sexy walk across the room, too. Her body still looked lithe season 3 and she went on to dance for the Mavs that year, so what really happened? She looked devastated and in disbelief when they cut her.
Ashley Paige was only in training camp once, as far as I remember. She was in final auditions a few years after that, but didn't make camp that year.
My opinion on Season 3's bloodbath of veteran cuts - I think they were so enamored with the young, fresh faces trying out (Sydney, Jordan C., Joanna, Kelsey, and of course Cassie) that they saw the veterans as more replaceable than ever.
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I will echo that drunk drivers rob so much from innocent people. My family just experienced this tragedy, and it's gut-wrenching. All the good vibes to Cailey and everyone that has had dreams stolen and family members die due to this needless, preventable problem. I knew that Cailey would be cut - I could feel her pain every time she danced, and my heart broke for her as soon as they presented her backstory. Such a sad, infuriating place to be as a young dancer.
Lastly, how can they present these dancers LITERALLY TWERKING when they busted on Angela so bad for doing the same damn move during her show group audition?!?! I don't care how uncool it makes me - twerking should never be a part of a professional dancer's repertoire. Period.
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Former DCCs: Where They've Gone & What They're Doing
in Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders: Making The Team
All the bolded points are my emphasis, and truly where the rubber meets the road. This is not victim-blaming; this is about an organization that holds incredible power over all things in Dallas, so much that these women are forced to make decisions based on their own self-preservation rather than what is fair and just. Meanwhile, the abhorrent behavior of a top executive is excused and brushed under the rug by throwing chump-change (in Jerry's world) at the problem with a NDA firmly in place. UNACCEPTABLE.
I have to say, the revelation of this story is the push I needed to finally give up on this show once and for all. I've struggled with supporting this organization and how disempowering it is to women (despite their assertions to the contrary), and this absolutely sealed it for me. I will never watch, comment on, or otherwise support the Cowboys organization again. They are complete garbage.