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What a funny episode! Breathed life into this boring season. Poor Dean. Not. How stupid can one man be? I guess his stupidity is only topped by the silly women taking his B.S. Both of these young women can do so much better.
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Uh they were. He turned them down for the lead. That should make some people happy. Frankly, I'm ecstatic!
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Contrived. Boring. Typical. I'm tapping out of this show. Not for me. I hope Winter Games is better.
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1 hour ago, ridethemaverick said:
To be fair, Rachel never dated a white guy before the show.
Most Americans date within their racial and ethnic group.
I try to see people as individuals, so in that way some people are open to dating a spectrum of people, while others have a fixed type. Some people are drawn mostly to aesthetics, other's mostly to personality attributes. Some people are somewhere in between. Everyone is different in that way. Rachel may have been open at this point in her life to dating outside her race, when before she may not have been; it worked for her. Peter may have been open as well, but found in practice it didn't work for him or that it didn't work for him with Rachel. If she wasn't his type, (for whatever reason) I don't begrudge him of that. What I have an issue with is the possibility of him knowing early on that she was not his type and still moving forward with the relationship (for the wrong reasons). Because that is by definition, deceptive. Not to mention the emotional strife it caused. It removed her focus from other men who were attracted to her in full and that took away from the experience for everyone.
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This was a very dry episode. Most of the cast is dull as dishwater. No wonder producers had to drum up this tasteless controversy. Pretty bad all around.
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5 hours ago, Sarah22029 said:
Red flag: Peter is over 30 and has never dated a black woman. Most men like Peter probably have a type. His last girlfriends are white.
LOL. @Sarah22029 you're like F it, I'm just gonna put it out there!
You're a brave one.
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Rachel and Bryan have moved on. I hope they have a long and happy life together.
See y'all in the BIP forum.
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12 minutes ago, Earlfor1 said:
^ Thanks. I usually only watch reality TV to focus on the production value. I rarely pay attention to the "plot" because I know how heavily manipulated they are. In this case, I actually have acquaintances who know Rachel (sorority sisters) so I watched this season. That is why I focused on Rachel mostly, and who I thought was best for her and not who I wanted her to end up with. I also was supposed to watch Nick's season as I had the episodes recorded, but Rachel was spoiled to be the next lead, so I didn't bother. This is the only season I watched, and probably won't watch any more seasons.
I'm with you on that. After BIP, I'll just stick to recaps and spoilers.
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10 minutes ago, Earlfor1 said:
I agree. Unfortunately, R&B's love story wasn't a major storyline this season. Peter was the star and R&B were the supporting cast. I wasn't able to watch in real time, and since I am on vacation, I binged watched within the last 48 hours so it is all still fresh.
Many people on social media were up in arms because Peter wasn't chosen. I definitely understand why they feel the way they do based on how the season was presented. Having seen the episodes back to back, I was able to deduce that the major storyline was The Fall of Peter, not Rachel and Bryan's Love Story. Even on the ATFR episode, more time was spent on Rachel and Peter than on Bryan and her. If Rachel and Bryan had more angst and drama, it would definitely be shown. Rachel and Bryan probably got along so well that the too good to be true or the too charming storyline was the only one they could give them.
I am a producer for a morning news/entertainment show here in Northern California, so I know how to exploit raw footage, interviews, voiceovers and live action caps to produce a storyline. What I am saying is that this show is not a documentary on a love journey. It is about storylines and ratings (Demario's "girlfriend" Subplot, the Kenny and Lee Subplot- casting actually spends a lot of time vetting contestants so they knew what they were doing with Lee, and Peter Won't Propose Subplot). They produced what they felt would give the franchise the greatest profit. While the story's plot progressed, the ending was anticlimactic. It left many viewers who were invested over the past 12 weeks unsatisfied.
Some things to note:
Per my professional networking, of the contestants cast for Bachelor/ette, only a third of them are a compatibility match for the lead. The rest are cast for ratings/drama or potential leads.
Josiah and Bryan were cast later than others when they found out Rachel was the lead.
Bryan told his good friend Pauldine that he had the biggest crush on Rachel and that he thought that they were a perfect match. Pauldine signed him up when she was announced.
Now that the season is over, the Rachel and Bryan Love Story Plot can now play out in real life and in real time.
Good post. I posted similar points. I guess we were posting at the same time.
Your profession offers some helpful insight into these things. Thank you for sharing!
13 minutes ago, chocolatine said:I really don't think that Peter was intentionally manipulative or "negging", or anything sinister like that. He's selfish in that he wants a relationship only on his terms and timeline, but he's been very clear about that from the beginning. Rachel chose to keep him week after week hoping he would come around. To quote Maya Angelou, "if someone tells you who they are, believe them" - Rachel should have heeded that advice.
That's what frustrated me the most with Rachel. But again, I realize there may have been things going on behind the scenes that pushed her to keep him, outside of the theory that he was manipulating her or she was manipulating him. That point I'll concede.
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5 minutes ago, pickle said:
Q. Why was Bryan the final pick?
Ans: Because Peter was.........
I don't think I am any closer to understanding or getting a read on Bryan because the commentary from fans of this pairing is invariably about Peter. Whatever Peter is or isn't, whatever he did or didn't do, is irrelevant because he wasn't her pick. Bryan was her pick and if she chose from her heart, why is the commentary still centered on Peter and how he failed in some way??? Where is the commentary about Bryan? All these continued criticisms of Peter only reinforces my impression that Bryan at best was a pragmatic pick.
Bryan was her final pick because:
- Rachel was highly attracted to him and vice versa.
- He came on the show for Rachel, after his friend nominated him. He had expressed that she was the kind of woman he wanted after seeing her on Nick's season.
- He was attentive to Rachel. He focused on her and their building relationship. Everything else was background noise.
- He showed her he desired her (For instance, he was non withholding of his affection from day one. When they conversed he leaned in when he spoke to her to maintain their physical connection. That's speaks to intimacy.
- He was direct with his intentions.
- He was unwavering in his commitment to see what they were building through to the end; he stayed consistent in his words and actions toward Rachel.
- He always checked in with her emotions; how do you feel? Are you okay? What can I do to help you feel better (for example: the back massage). That speaks to care and comfort.
- He was affirming instead of negating.
- Their lifestyles are complementary. His career and finances is complementary to Rachel's. They both have professional degrees and are working in their respective fields. He has the flexibility to relocate if need be. So does Rachel.
- He loves Sports Center (like Rachel)
- He's older and maturer than most of her other suitors.
- They had plenty of deep conversations, about what they wanted and those wants were compatible. Both have stated this in their post show interviews (but those conversations were left on the editing room floor. The show wanted a certain narrative. Their discussions didn't fit that narrative).
- He was/is marriage minded. He is at a place in his life where he's ready to settle down. He said he wants ot get married. He wants three children (Rachel wants 4 lol). That matches up with what Rachel has said to want all along; marriage and children.
- He gave her little gifts throughout their journey (others did as well, but I thought I should still add that to the list).
- He showed his generous side by sharing his clothes with Dean during the show (even though Dean did not seem as fond of him as others).
- During his hometown Date, when his mother criticized his haircut, he stated that "As long as Rachel likes it, I'm happy." - That was sweet, and revealing. Rachel comes first.
- He asked Rachel's father for her hand in marriage, and her father gave the blessing (this speaks to traditional values of marriage. Again, that matches up with Rachel's ideals.
- His parents have been married for over 40 years, so like Rachel he has a great familial foundation to draw upon. This is another match with her lifestyle.
- He takes care of himself - well groomed and fit.
- Most important, he told her he loved her without qualifier or quantifiers.
- In Rachel's words "He seemed too good to be true."
- His post show words and actions have done nothing but validate the man he presented himself to be - To Rachel, he is The One.
Oh and he (Bryan) has a good Credit score, she asked her final three about that. Possibly a good stroke game as well (if we are to surmise they slept together in the fantasy suite) lol That is all!
39 minutes ago, ridethemaverick said:Lol yes the engagement party looked fun as hell and Bryan looked right at home. I totally missed this but apparently Rachel has two sisters. They were both there too, along with a Alex and Adam (i think it was adam, the videos were pretty dark). Alex is so gorgeous.
I married a Bryan too (in that he made his intentions clear from jump and pursued me aggressively and never gave me any reason to doubt). Yet I still preferred Peter early on because I bought into the too good to be true narrative. I figured if Rachel said it, it must be true. I didn't take into account that maybe SHE was projecting onto Bryan based on her past relationships. I guess it's human nature.
Rachel and her sisters looked gorgeous in their white dresses. Everyone looked like they were having a ton of fun.
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1 hour ago, ridethemaverick said:
Yep. I don't think Peter is on par with those losers but I do think he tried to knock Rachel down a peg. If he is the next bachelor, I think he will love it because he won't have to chase after the woman, they'll be chasing him which is probably more his speed.
I do not believe he's approaching this from their kind of angst - hostility at not being desired by the women they want. Because it's more than obvious that Peter has zero problems attracting women. Equally desired women at that. But I do think it's within the realm of possibility that some of his actions on the show could be based on those strategies. I think he had a goal and he did what he had to do to reach it. Whether others agree or disagree with his tactics is a different story.
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General comment not directed to anyone in particular:
To the overall discussion about Peter, I don't think hashing out theories, possibilities, analyzing, and relating to certain behaviors necessarily equates to disparaging someone for the sake of . A discussion is not an echo chamber.
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1 hour ago, ridethemaverick said:
Good post. Re: some of Peter's comments, I believe it's called "negging". There is a whole forum out there for losers who hate women and want to play with their heads, and they do this to attractive women to bring them down a peg.
To be clear, I'm not saying Peter is a member of those forums. But in hindsight, some of his behavior and comments can be seen as negging Rachel, intentional or not.
She dodged a bullet.
Yes! Exactly. Straight out of the PUA handbook.
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28 minutes ago, Earlfor1 said:
It so hard to explain, but it happens, especially if one is not strong or equipped to avoid those mind games. Some men know how to play on some women's insecurities. While I can say that it wouldn't happen to me now, it has happened in my past. From my experience, as I had dated a "Peter" in my 20s for 3 years, I could see how Peter could have done it. My ex didn't want to formally commit to marriage but wanted me to move in with him. After I realized that we were going nowhere, I decided to break things off (several times). He would tell me what I wanted to hear, and I ended up staying longer than was healthy for me. Peter's actions actually triggered some emotions in me that I thought I had gotten over 10 years ago. I could only imagine how Rachel was caught up in emotions as she mentioned that Peter reminded her of a past relationship. My ex also told me that I wouldn't find anyone as good as him, and I would be miserable without him. It was the kind of things my ex said to get in my head. So when Peter said "mediocre life", I was done with him.
There were other red flags regarding Peter. First red flag was him commenting on Rachel leaning into him first when they were kissing ( "you leaned into me but I was going to lean into you"). That was a very peculiar thing to say during an intimate moment. Then one episode, he commented on how much she drank when she was feeling nervous and vulnerable. He never made eye contact when they were supposed to be having intimate conversations. Him mentioning that her outfit was the wrong thing to wear in the wind, was side eye worthy as well. My ex made comments about how inappropriate my attire was and his reasons could be anything (wind, the type of company, the full moon, etc.)
He acted as if he were the lead instead of her. For instance, him having his hometown friends evaluating Rachel as if he had the final say was odd. That is what the role of the lead, which he is not. While Rachel having to beg him to kiss her is not a red flag per say, it appeared that he was withholding his affections on purpose. Even if he wasn't comfortable making out on camera, he could have showed his affection in various ways when they were alone such as intimate touching. However, he was all hands in front of the other men during their group dates.
Now, I am not saying that there were ulterior motives to how he presented himself, and he could be genuine for all I know, but I learned to beware of the warning signs with the relationships I had after my ex, so I wouldn't repeat the cycle. From my perspective, I would avoid Peter like the plague. I don't care how pretty he is. I truly believe that Rachel was in the same head space that allowed Peter to get into her head.
Also remember that Rachel's family had reservations about Bryan and was seeing him for the first time since Dallas. She, for the first time, was feeling unsure about Bryan due to family, so her uncertainty about her F1 coupled with her insecurities would certainly make her more vulnerable to Peter getting into her head.
I'm sorry that happened to you. Thank you for sharing your story. Your observations are things that I noticed as well: the little criticisms he made when they were together and yes, he was very handsy with her around the other guys. I wonder why? <smirks> It's great to see that others noticed these things too. Sometimes I think I'm imagining stuff when I writing some of my observations about this show, because the reactions are so strong. The only thing I part ways with you on is that IMO, his actions were very deliberate, but what you wrote is definitely food for thought.
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Bryan treats her like his future wife. The way she should be treated. As for the show, I agree that Rachel deserved better. It was too focused on building up and tearing down certain men and Rachel by extension. Instead of focusing on Rachel's journey to finding the right partner. Luckily, she was able to wade through the muck and connect with a good man. One who wanted the same things she did, at the same time.
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Here's a great article that supports some of what a few of us have been saying:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/those-think-rachel-settled-bachelorette-183015451.html
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11 hours ago, Kira53 said:
This http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-bachelorette-finale-was-absolutely-infuriating is so revisionist. If I except this as Rachel's true intentions, then she looks pretty terrible for begging, pleading, and trying to force Peter to propose when she already knew she wouldn't except his proposal. Particularly when his whole argument was that he only wanted to propose once in his life. Is she really that cruel to try to manipulate him into proposing when she knew she wouldn't accept? Would she "waste" his proposal deliberately? Did Peter sense that? Or is she changing the narrative to protect her ego? I don't think Rachel realizes that her instincts are really bad regarding public relations. I think she should just stop talking about Peter and talk more about her wonderful new life that she's looking forward to.
I'm still confused about the matching watches and how Peter was supposed to interpret that? How was he supposed to think that he was Rachel's pick when Brian got the $8000 watch? And it matched hers. Maybe she decided on Bryan is a definite when she got him the watch paid for of course by production. But she got one he got one adding to pre-marital assets.
I find myself strangely troubled and confused still about the season. Looking back, Peter's dates were pretty simple and not extravagant. His fantasy suite was pretty rundown and the wine experience was interesting but also relatively low-key and inexpensive. I think it was OK because Peter likes to share many of the simple things in life. Bryan's dates seem more high-end more expensive or exotic. I've been thinking that the producers wanted to make sure that Brian would stick to his wanting A life with Rachel with the expensive car to drive an expensive watch which is more of his interest or style. Clearly he could see that he could enjoy a celebrity lifestyle with her if he proposed. Oh, and his fantasy suite was at least decent maybe at least a really nice hotel instead of that horrible hovel that Peter shared with Rachel.
Rachel probably wasn't interested in the simple life that Peter was talking about sharing with her in their marriage. It's starting to make more sense that she did decide on Brian earlier but wanted to have two proposals and that's why she was pushing so hard on Peter. At least that's the sense I'm making out of it today.
Oh, and Eric was never in the running. Friend zone. She was really happy to give the brother some good exposure for his business and books. I secretly think it has something to do with his aunt that's a Harvard lawyer because I'm sure Rachel knew all about her. Aunt has a book and speaks all over the country and I believe she's done a few Ted talks. Rachel's knowledge of high-profile black lawyers would likely have included her. Why not help her nephew? Eric was willing to stay in his lane and enjoy the trip's and Rachel's company which was fun. In a recent interview Eric revealed that Rachel came to his gym to train with another trainer just before he met her in the after the Rose ceremony in Nick's season. Was it a coincidence or did you just want to observe him because you had the thumbs up that he was going to be in her season? I know I'm getting like conspiracy ideas. Auntie could have contacted Rachel.
It's amazing to me that people feel such an affront to the idea of someone wanting to get married, on a show about finding a mate to marry. Makes no sense to me, but whatever! Everyday I have to wade through some statistic or think piece about how down and out Black women are. How there are so many out of wedlock births, so much romantic dysfunction. How professional Black women are not finding mates to marry. But here we have one on national television, saying look, I've got my education, my career, life experience, and now I'm ready to get married. So that's what she pursues. If someone else comes along and doesn't want those things, why is that her fault?
But that's taking the show literal, at its word; that is believing it's main purpose is to match-make like-minded, marriage minded adults. No. This show is mainly about entertainment, and if love and marriage results, so be it. Since the author of that article cited UnReal (which is ironic, considering), here's a thought:
Production pushed her to keep Peter, because he was their top pick for the next Bachelor. I really don't think anyone else (not even Dean) was a real consideration. The final talk between Peter and Rachel was so producer driven. They trapped them in that suite for four hours! Don't believe me? Ask Sarah Gertrude Shapiro what kind of tactics they use to break these people down and get what they want. But I'm not going to go over it again. I think I laid out a thorough example in my earlier post of what I believed happened. Whether it's true or not, we'll probably never know. At least not anytime soon.
I cannot wait until this franchise is cancelled so we can start getting the books and documentaries about what went on behind the scenes. For now, I guess all we have to reference is UnReal.
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17 minutes ago, Chick2Chic said:
As a Black woman, my lense is just fine. And crystal clear. There are likely folks that have some underlying issues with race & racism driving their comments about Rachel but that is certainly not the case for all who are finding some of her post show behavior problematic.
The operative word I used was might. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Take care.
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6 minutes ago, Stinamaia said:
That's a different perspective than I have. As I've said I don't follow any of them much less bother to look up their "likes." I know if I give a "like" on twitter it is because I agree with it or sympathize with the person. For instance if someone I follow tweets "my mom died" (as does happen) I click the heart and send a message. I do the same if someone I follow sends me a news story that might interest me. I don't give "likes" to random things I disagree with or that disturb me. I didn't think anyone did. But, now I can see that it's possible to give a "like" simply because of a mention.
i use Twitter for tennis and politics only. I only follow one actor and one figure skater. Heck, I barely follow any tennis players. Politics is bad enough. I can't imagine "reality" tv bickering.
LOL, yes, My Twitter has tumbleweeds rolling by and Facebook is too frantic. I've followed some of the comments on the contestants Instagram pages the past couple of weeks due to all the fervor. But it's hard to keep up. I prefer sticking to forum discussions.
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1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:
So Rachel, you're a bitter loser and still wrong because you allowed yourself to be played by this guy who never wanted you and was only there to be the next lead. Now shut up and don't you dare try and ruin his goal to be the next Bachelor. Okay.
Meanwhile, some of Peter's friends who Rachel met on the HTD have taken to dragging her on social media. The one black guy basically accuses her of sending Will home because she was only looking for a man to grope her, they're mocking her weave and her edges. One of the white girlfriends are in on the action of how much Rachel attacked Peter on the AFTR and she's so bitter and salty but claims to be living her best life. Oh and Peter's dad is retweeing some T-Shirt company thing that's calling Bryan a rebound or some such thing.
I don't know if it's because social media wasn't as bad back then - we did have Twitter and Facebook but it's certainly increased exponentially in the last few years - but I have never seen something like this from this franchise. I thought the Arie love was intense but this makes the Arie stanning seem like amateurs. I'm done. I think it's very telling how easily some can get wrapped in a passably looking guy to where nothing and everything he does is okay and everyone else are the bad guys and monsters.
I really and truly do want Peter to be the next Bachelor. Because I will be fascinated to watch that fall from that very, very high pedestal.
And let's just call it what it is.
The negative perception of the most minute actions by Rachel might be contributed to racial stereotypes and some individuals' comfort with viewing others through those kinds of lenses. How many times has she been called sassy? How many times has the term "attacked" been used to describe her conversation with Peter. How many times has desperate been used in regard to the Proposal argument? Angry? Hostile?
What played out on the show: Rachel's casting is a product of ABC and the show's producers creating a narrative that clears them of former charges of racial bias in the franchise. But by casting men like Peter, that helps them set up and continue their usual formula in the upcoming season. The other person that commented made a good point. There is a tremendous amount of Network and producer meddling in this situation. I think from the start the story line was set up and they knew they wanted Peter as the next lead. they ensured this in multiple ways: By casting people like Lee, Will, DeMario and quite of few others that also had no interest in her, and would only prove to devalue her and paint her as having poor judgement. By maintaining a makeup artist and hair stylist that are highly unskilled in working with Black women's skin and hair to feed into the stereotype of undesirability. I'm just keeping it real here.. I also think they accomplished their goals by helping Peter along throughout the season. Feeding him info to help win Rachel over. They do extensive interviews when casting. Including psychological evaluations. They know these individuals buttons through and through. Know how to manipulate situations to achieve a certain result.
But some things cannot be concealed. Many of us could see in the footage that aired, that Peter's body language and the delivery of his words screamed, not interested. He was not falling for her. That it was an act. But she was in the thick of it and just could not see for herself. She's not the audience at home or the puppet-master. She's in the middle of it, probably being pulled in a million directions.
I think now, that she can look back at the footage, compare it to what we didn't see and get a fuller picture of what happened and I think she feels humiliated and foolish. To the person that said, she should be careful because the Network is not on her side - I wholeheartedly agree. They are not on her side. I think her demeanor is an internal cauldron boiling over. She is kind of trapped between maintaining her dignity, and keeping smooth relations with the network, contractually and so she doesn't burn bridges (for future financial and career opportunities). Otherwise, I have no doubt dirty laundry would be aired.
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2 hours ago, CalamityBoPeep said:
I think this is the key point that has been stated in so many ways, but has been buried: He wanted her.... as much as she wanted him. He did. She didn't say she wanted him, and only him. She made out with him, but she didn't give him an indication that he was her final choice. The reality is that she wanted him to want her more than she wanted him. She wanted him "all in" when she withheld her own deeper truths and had another man in the background that he knew was also "all in."
To be fair, I think the leads are contractually barred from revealing too much. But most leads seem to find a way to let their final 1 know that he or she is actually the final 1. Every time I hear "I can't say," or "I can't answer that," (from anyone... lead or contestant), I translate that to "the producers and my contract won't let me get that specific with you." Including with Peter's answer to the question of why he felt attacked. If the answer involves the behind-the-scenes shenanigans, odds are they'll end up saying "I can't say." Because the television gods have decreed that talking about decisions made by production is verboten.
This is such an f-ed up way to have a relationship develop anyway, and yes, people can say "that's the premise of the show!" Which is somewhat legit, but I do think the contestants have been told before that they don't have to propose if they aren't feeling it. And I have a really hard time believing that just because a contestant knows the score before going into the show, that things in their minds don't shift dramatically if they find themselves in the running. It'd be easier to just assume you aren't the one, than to think you might be the one, but you aren't sure.
I don't think it's really comparable to an individual, private-sphere relationship. Odds are good, in the situation you mention with the two guys in your life, that you were probably letting complicated guy know that you wanted him. (Not that I know you... I just think in the real world, people are not usually so reluctant to say that they're into someone, "all in.") I think that Peter ends up looking like that a bit, and going on Rachel's current interpretation of events, it looks like she wants to feed that impression. But the fact is that she wanted him "all in" and committed, when she herself gave him no reason to be so. And yes, the power dynamic of the show is that the lead gets to choose. A decent person though, empathizes with the person they ultimately have to hurt, and allows them to keep their dignity. Hell, Nick did for her. Why did she insist that Peter needed to propose if she didn't want him?
Exactly. Your point #3 above is also why I could see why he said he "felt attacked". I believe that his inability to explain why didn't strike me as being because he's inarticulate, but because his answer would also involve mentioning the actions of the production team.
Her doubts are confirmed because what he's saying in all those words, is that he is not confident in what she's shown their relationship to be, in this timeframe, with this set of parameters. He isn't able to approach this relationship, in this setting, as an equal partner. Because the f-ed up nature of the show won't allow it. To me, that doesn't read as wishy-washy, push-pull, distancing, indecisive. It reads as pretty legit. And yes... maybe finding love as one of 30 guys on a show isn't for Peter. But I suspect that it might not be his standard operating procedure, in the real world. People are reading into Peter's actions while he was on a bizarre show that has an incredibly f-ed up set of expectations, and putting their own spin on it, based on their own history in the real world with relationships that lasted longer than 6 weeks, and didn't have cameras and producers all over the place. I feel like a little empathy might be called for.
Not that he was entirely right in his approach, but he wasn't a bad guy for not being able to "get there" in this framework. I also don't think it would be hypocritical of him to become the Bachelor. I hope that he would have more empathy for his runner-up than Rachel has shown for him, and not slag her in interviews after the show ended. His change of tune, after Monday, wishing Rachel the best, says that he'd at least try to keep to the high road after his season was over. (Assuming he's chosen as the next Bachelor. No idea, on that.)
I've been thinking this for a long time. And this season really brought home why. If the Bachelorette has all the power throughout the taping, except for the very last choice, that's just cruel. She shouldn't have to beg for a proposal, and the men shouldn't have to take the leap of giving a proposal when there is another man in the wings, also giving a proposal. She should be able to ask her final 1 if he'll marry her, and let the runner-up leave with his dignity in tact, not having bent the knee only to be rejected.
I would be on board with your take on Peter, but the idea that he is seriously considering being The Bachelor, negates everything you stated. He has ambitions - fine. He wants to be famous - fine. He wasn't into Rachel enough to want to propose to her - fine. What is not fine is lying, deceit, playing victim, throwing out dog whistles when you get called out on your actions and using friends, family and other surrogates to disparage this woman. A woman you know had deep feelings for you. Rachel's family is not disparaging this man. Her real friends (not television friends) are not disparaging this man. The circumstances and environment do not matter. It's called human decency.
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2 hours ago, Kerri Johnson said:
Rachel lost me with the "this show isn't for you comment". Bitter betty. She spent months rehearsing that line when she should have been with Bryan.
Peter told her "I'm not scared of marriage". He has no problem falling in love quickly, proposing, or getting married. His only problem is doing all of that with Rachel.
He was never into you, Rachel. From the first kiss where you shoved your face up at him, from all the times you begged him to kiss you and continuing to beg for him to propose up until the last minute.
He played you but it was your fault you should have sent him home. I don't blame him for not leaving, he's trying to get his 15 minutes.
I will happily watch Peter and his journey, when he will obviously propose with ease come January 2018.
Rachel will be watching every step of the way as well, still seething with anger she was rejected.
And he knew that way before the final two. So, what does that say about him? Please. Spare me.
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1 hour ago, Stinamaia said:
Ummm maybe fades to rosy pink
Now you know if I would have posted that, I would have gotten another reprimand. LOL
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1 hour ago, Stinamaia said:
I love this story! And I love you for making the smart choice for your life. Many women do not.
i see Rachel as a poised young woman, but she does seem to have an emotional, spicey side. Bryan seems very calm and even keeled. That seems a good combination.
I am sure Peter will be the next bachelor and some of us will float on cushy clouds of adoration and others of us will retch and eye roll at his every remark. My bet is he proposes because he let down his walls and opened up and through his journey was able to find the perfect woman.
Thank you.
Re: Peter
I'm with you on that theory. I think that's his story line: Walls up, Loses woman. Meets new women. Walls down. Falls in Love. Proposes. Fade to black.
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25 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:
Chris Harrison brought up the comment by saying Peter in his words inferred that Rachel was choosing a ring over happiness. That's not without any prompting and his immediate response was that it was said out of frustration and that he didn't remember saying it. So YMMV, agree to disagree, I didn't see that as apologizing without any prompting or apologizing profusely.
Exactly. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but not to his own facts.
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S04.E04: Week 2, Night 2
in Bachelor In Paradise
I cannot wait until this franchise is cancelled.