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Yeah, if things go as it looks like it will go, the reconciliation will be hard to believe. I won't say that a couple that has gone through what they have gone through are doomed, but a lot of hard work is required to get there and I doubt that Nash will take the care needed to make that happen (even though it would be good TV). I was thinking it would be good to see them go through therapy together and really work through their issues. Then I realized that, if they did that, their therapist would be Maggie--because, you know, she's the only therapist in Boston and even though she says she shouldn't counsel her friends, she still does it.

My computer is acting weird and I can't get to it now, but it is the press report for episode 2.4. Basically it says that Eddie tells Delilah he wants to be an active part of Charlie's life and that Katherine makes a decision about her relationship with Eddie. I may be reaching here, but it does seem like the road to a custody hearing. Of course, if we go down that road and a paternity test, which would be necessary in such a case, shows a surprise, I'm good with that too.

I actually don't either. I don't think she's a stellar human being, and she does do some supremely shitty things, but damn if she isn't interesting! I actually think she's one of the more fascinating characters in American Literature.

I can buy that. A lot of schools have these sort of empty spaces for use when needed.

I get this, but my concern is that there is 4 of them. Either they are all going to merge together in some sort of one single character OR we get 4 different crisis story lines with them. Neither of those sound good to me. If the girls are going to play a key role, I wish they had kept it to 1-2 kids.

That does make sense, although they kept a book cart in front of the door, which also seems strange. I can't think too much about this, though. I mean, this show is *generally* good about things like this, so I think I just need to handwave this away.

Honestly, I don't think Nash has a choice but to make these two work it out. He pissed of a lot of people with his treatment of Katherine and she is clearly the fan favorite. As with so many things about this, it *could* be a good story line, but the odds that Nash won't fuck it up are extraordinarily low. I do think, based on what I've read in press reports about upcoming episodes, we are in for a custody battle. I have...mixed feelings about this. I mean, I'm all here for Delilah to suffer, but custody battles are so horribly messy and uncomfortable to watch.

My problem with Grand Canyon lie was that Theo bought it lock, stock, and barrel. I mean, it is totally something Eddie would make up, but Theo is supposed to be this precocious, wise-beyond-his-years kid and there is no way he would buy that his mother was trying to save the Grand Canyon without a shitload of questions. As for the mean moms, I could totally buy that. I think the vast majority of people are decent, but there are always 2 or 3 of these moms at any schools (speaking from personal experience!) Some people just never leave middle school.

So far it has only been in the tweet. I, well, I really resent the fact that he can't seem to tell a story within the confines of the story. This is far from the first time he has put out information in a tweet that is somewhat necessary for the show to work. He had said in a past tweet that Katherine used to be part of the friend gang and was best friends with Delilah. Without the first part of that, all the scenes of her with the group after she and Eddie separated made absolutely no sense. They actually still don't make all that sense even knowing it, but still. If Katherine was part of the friend group, then give us that in a flashback or a conversation or something...not in a tweet.

True, but it probably wasn't immediately evident that Eddie was an alcoholic. For one thing, he was musician and there is a certain lifestyle that goes along with that--it takes a while of knowing someone to realize that they've crossed the line from partying to full-blown addiction. Also, alcoholism isn't a static disease. I think in many cases, and Eddie may be one, there is something chemical in the brain or whatnot, but it doesn't mean that you take one sip and you are a full-blown alcoholic. When Katherine and Eddie met, Eddie may not have been a falling-down drunk. We have someone in our family going through a very similar thing. She's an accomplished professional and she married a fun guy with a far less prestigious job and there was something attractive about having that person who could break her out of her high-pressure professional life. They married, had a kid (now 5) and it has been only in the past year that she realized what a problem his drinking is. There is a lot in this show I have trouble buying and, honestly, I didn't understand Eddie and Katherine until this scene--but now I do and it does make sense to me.

I mean, there had to be another door. Why the hell would a broom closet ONLY have a door that was 4 feet tall and hidden in the library? Also, repeat that sentence but take the "only" out. As for the key...as a faculty member, George probably has a master key that opens every door in the school.

In the S02.E02 thread, @debraran wrote: A couple things. Frst of all, it's hard to make a call based on one week. There are other factors to keep in mind, including: 1 - Thursday night football. There was a late/West Coast game which ran over this show in most of the country. 2 - It was a big news day and many people may either be sucked into the news or turning off the TV. The real test will be what happens for the next 4-5 episodes, or until the first hiatus. That being said, a 22% drop (I think that is what it said in the link in the original post) is something to be concerned about. Another aspect is the social media reach. I follow, well, every show that I watch on Social Media and there is no other show that comes as close as the sort of desperate posting that this show does. And I know people were complaining that Nash was discussed too much but, well, he is the one who puts himself out there. The reason why I couldn't name most of the other show runners is because they stay practically invisible. But then we have DJ Nash who is tweeting dozens of times a day about the show, plus the official account of the show...and even with all that, there still isn't that much engagement with the viewers. I know this is a metric now used when it comes to renewal decisions. On an anecdotal level, I know a lot of people who are just turned off by this show--people who normally would eat up a family-ish drama like this one. And while Delilah seems to be the main turn off, there are other issues as well...and these things seem to be what the show is doubling down on, not what they are trying to fix. Also, one friend is giving up on the show because the baby drama is just *uncomfortable.* It is one thing to make something fraught and emotional, it is another to make the audience uncomfortable when they watch it. No one wants to be uncomfortable and that is a sure fire way to get people to turn off the show.

Replying in the media thread.

I have it waiting for me at the library and I'm interested to see how it works out. I know several people who loved it as well as several people who hated it. I don't know anyone who read it and fell somewhere between those two extremes.

According to Nash, that's not what she meant... So, first of all, if you have to explain your show, you're doing it wrong. Secondly, this is getting harder to take. I mean, we have Delilah who they keep telling us we need to feel sympathy for, but then make her do shitty things to everyone. Ugh! Now, we have a character--who ended up being the sympathetic character of the show--who is so continually dumped on that it seems like she's drowning in everyone else's shit. I complain that Delilah never has to deal with consequences--and I truly believe that--but I'm also getting sick of Katherine never catching any sort of break. There is only so much one person can realistically take...and there is only so much I can watch.

They did make a point that the church didn't want to be embarrassed, so I think they were being reactive after the priest ran his mouth. When someone claims a miracle, it gets a lot of attention, both from those who want to prove it and those who want to debunk it. When someone claims a ghost, people can sort of take it or leave it. However, in that scene with David and the head priest (Bishop? Cardinal? Did they say?), I actually saw a glimmer of what could come in this show. David, Kristen, and Ben are hired to do a *job* for the church, and they don't have the authority to choose their own investigations. While the Church wanted to prove/disprove a miracle, David seemed to be looking for some proof of the supernatural and/or divine and, in that moment, the line was clearly drawn between what he wants to do and what he is hired to do.

All I know from these sorts of things is from television shows and watching an autopsy movie in college, but why were they cutting her face anyway? Don't they start by opening the chest? Also, if they were going to, um, you know, open the head, I don't think they would do it b y taking off the face. I think that the church is concerned about things that will make them look bad. Miracles are only great PR if they can't be debunked in any way. Ghosts? Well, you either believe or don't believe those. Plus, no one besides the investigators and the two security guards knew about it, so the church wasn't worried about it being a PR mess.

Supposedly not? I saw something that she's supposed to reappear at some point during season 2. I don't care either way, although I do want an explanation on why the suicide note she gave Delilah bore absolutely no resemblance to the suicide note Jon left and she stole.

Oh yeah, there are definitely people like her in the world. However, the people in the world actually have to deal with consequences, which Delilah apparently does not. The real life people lose relationships for their behavior, are called out on it, etc. And, no, it might not make them change, but they do end up having to deal with some fall out from their behavior in some way or another. Delilah...does not. Eddie was a savior because he was the tool that allowed Delilah to "get back" at Jon. He also fawned all over her as she felt she should have been. Delilah wants something, in this case an ego boost, and finds a guy to give her exactly what she thinks she needs. And, to be fair, it doesn't have to be a man. Delilah doesn't have the...whatever...to stand up to the evil lactation consultant, so Maggie does it for her. Delilah seems to have really gone to great lengths to surround herself with people who will serve her, hasn't she?

This is a really good example of really bad storytelling. I can't believe that Delilah wouldn't know that Jon had a vasectomy (I actually can't believe that every character in this show, including Theo and Katherine's assistant didn't know Jon had a vasectomy as Jon was the sharer of everything--except, of course, for the gripping survivor guilt from that massive world event that had defined his life for 17 years...). But, she tells Eddie it is because she and Jon hadn't had sex in a while--which makes no sense if Jon actually had a vasectomy. I get that Eddie was mad because he thought his mistress had cheated on him with her husband, but NOT bringing up Jon's vasectomy when telling Eddie he was the father, even if it was, "Jon and I hadn't been together for a while and he got the big snip," is just nonsensical. I'm honestly not sure if this is more ineptitude from Nash or if he actually does have some oh-so-(un)surprising plan to make Charlie Jon's baby after all....

I have to say that while I liked the first episode better, I'm still enjoying this show. I think that if they develop the main three characters as the season goes on, it can work. The miracle aspect of this episode didn't do much for me (and didn't make much sense) but all the stuff about Kristen, David, and Aasif Mandvi's character (what is his name???) made it worth my time.

I'm also not sure how much time has passed between seasons. There was a reference in the last episode as to how long Dr. Sturgis had been gone, but I can't remember what it was. It seems to me that each season seems to equal a school year with this show. If so, that would mean a good 4-5 months have passed since Pastor Jeff's wife left him.

I didn't see it like that. Missy is, what? 10? 11? now? So she's at an age where she is starting to understand consequences. She heard at church that ouija boards are evil, and that would probably be backed up at home. She hadn't yet tested that boundary. Georgie, on the other hand, is old enough that he is at a point where he questions what he is told and probably brought out the ouija board knowing that it would freak Missy out. I think it has far less to do with character than it does with just general childhood development. (Also, I'm well into adulthood and STILL freaked out by ouija boards!)

Yes, she knew. Delilah found out she was pregnant is episode 5 and she asks for help from Katheirne in episode 11. I believe that Katherine finds out Delilah is pregnant in episode 8.

I was wondering this too...it seems like this episode happened on the weekend (brunch, Theo not in school, Gary and Katherine not at work--even though Gary *never* works), so I would assume that they would be around. I guess it is possible that they'd be off with friends, but I think it would be more likely that the novelty of their baby sister hadn't yet worn off and they'd be spending time with her.