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  1. IIRC, Sheila shooting him was one of the first things he remembered. Later, about a week or so ago (all the scenes run together now LOL), he remembered that Sheila shot him by "accident" because she was purposely trying to shoot Steffy. He asked Sheila what happened to Steffy after he "passed out," as he put it, and made it clear that he thinks Sheila killed/hurt her. Sheila talked him down, but I don't think he's ever 100% bought that Steffy is okay. I think it's why anytime he mentions Steffy, he instantly turns into a sobbing, panicked wreck. I can't tell if Li has memory loss, a brain injury with aphasia, or what, but she's Finn's only hope of getting out of there with help, since Ridge gave up on the whole Mike angle before Sheila's shower hair was even dry. Like others, I really don't want Finn tied down to Steffy again, but I'm absolutely done with Sheila. I so hope Li manages to tell Bill enough to have Bill shut the whole thing down.
  2. Had a couple thoughts while trying to fall asleep last night: #1 - remember in the first episode of the series, when Mabel says she has a recurring dream, where she wakes up and finds a ski-masked guy watching her sleep? What if that was actually happening (without the violent stabbings) and someone has been coming up through her vent for a while now? (I haven’t figured out how that could tie into the murder unless that guy is the murderer or the person Lucy saw, but with the reveal of the passage vent, it could be something.) #2 - what if the painting is real, and Big Bunny’s only goal was to check the back of the painting for something attached there (a key, a note, a document, a love letter between Leonora/Rose and Charles’ dad, etc)? Her urgency to find it completely diminished after she ran her hand behind the painting for several seconds, and then she casually told Charles something like “meh, it’ll find me,” like it was suddenly no big deal that her painting was still missing. What if it was something that proved that Rose (dead) = Leonora (alive), which completely devalues all of Rose Cooper’s “worth a fortune” paintings? That could hit someone’s net worth pretty hard and lead to motive,and it could explain why someone would voluntarily hang this oh-so-coveted painting in Charles' apartment after the murder (the real value was whatever was behind the painting). (This also assumes that Rose = Leonora, which hasn't been established.)
  3. This. I can't possibly imagine how it would fit for Mabel to have killed Bunny, without the show completely rewriting and retconning several scenes, which, IMO, would turn the show into Only Murderers Jumping Sharks in the Building. (Sorry. 😬) For Alice, I suspect she's the Teddy Dimas of season 2 - a nefarious, convincing red herring but not the murderer. It'd be underwhelming for Jan 2.0 to be the totally obvious murderer again. Edited to take out episode commentary, as I didn't realize what thread I was replying to.
  4. The regular waiter assumed it was a friend. The substitute waiter wasn't shown on screen and didn't describe anything. I took it as the substitute waiter said Bunny was with someone different, and the regular waiter used "friend" as a polite descriptor. Bunny told the regular waiter, "Oh, no. Not coming. And not my friend." I wouldn't be surprised if Marv, murderer or not, has been hanging out in the passages to eavesdrop and learn about the podcast. Some fans get extreme, and he has access to the building. All he'd need to do is overhear Bunny (right by Mabel's apartment, where a superfan might want to eavesdrop) talking about having a painting of Charles' dad's balls on her wall.
  5. Sorry to quote you twice; I just re-read and caught this. I think that Teddy directly threatened Oliver and not the others (yet?) because their apparent friendship goes back so far. It's one thing to be accused of murder by two randos, but it's a deep betrayal to be accused of murder by a long-time friend. Just like it's a deep betrayal to sleep with your friend's wife and hide the true paternity of a child for decades. Someone said this in another thread (last week's I think) but it seems like the theme of this season is fathers, with the story about Charles' father, Lucy seeking Charles as a father figure, Theo disavowing Teddy, and now Oliver realizing that Will isn't biologically his son. The character backstory stuff that seemed completely unrelated to the murder plot was one of my main gripes about last season, and I can't say I'm anymore invested in it this year, but maybe it will actually go somewhere or tie into a series-long arc.
  6. I had the same thought about the proximity between people and didn't understand how the killer was supposed to stay hidden for so long. The people packed in next to the killer would also certainly feel the killer move, albeit with disorientation from it being dark (and the drugs, I guess). I figured it would work better without the hands and more as free-roam mingle with the lights suddenly going off. Alice secretly having the Son of Sam card and giving Oliver a fake card doesn't make any sense to me as a convincing lie. It was a cool TV moment but it doesn't really hold up, IMO. As others have noted, Mabel should have instantly realized that Alice was lying, since Mabel knew Mabel wasn't Son of Sam and there was no one left but Alice. And there's a high risk that night of Oliver re-organizing the deck and making sure the Son of Sam card wasn't mixed in randomly (as the one card that always needs to be distributed), but, when it's not there, then... Generally, I also don't remember Oliver being good at detecting lies or picking up on tells, at least the way he was depicted in the flashbacks and during the party. Where were these micro skills last season? It was fun but I questioned that.
  7. Oliver lives on 10. Mabel and Bunny live(d) on 12. Was Oliver at Mabel’s when it happened? Edited to Wonder: why put it under a dead person’s door?
  8. It'd be risky, but look at how much it's blown up the podcast. Mabel can't walk into a random party without being instantly recognized. That would be a lot of money for anyone selling podcast merchandise, running fan message boards with ads (which the fans mentioned last season), etc. And he would have complete control of the evidence, to build the story and a better podcast. Really, if someone wanted Mabel and/or the others to go to jail, leaving the real murder weapon and planting evidence before calling the police* would have been fool-proof. It's odd that the evidence is being planted in breadcrumbs that the podcasters can control. *I'm assuming the murderer called the police, since they arrived seconds after Mabel found Bunny. I'm still disappointed that we/the podcasters still have no idea who called the police or what was said to get a full SWAT response straight to Mabel's apartment.
  9. Alice reminds me of Anna Delvey LOL. Just cooler, kinda. I hope it's not her. It's been obvious since the first episode. It couldn't be Lucy who texted, as Lucy wouldn't have been an unknown number on Charles' phone, and she wouldn't have had Oliver's number. For Charles, the text would have come up "Lucy." Unless she has a burner phone. They wouldn't have the fans' phone numbers as contacts, though (probably)... But, really, that text and the immediate SWAT response is still a big mystery to me. Who sends a full SWAT team for a stabbing?
  10. We're halfway through the season, and, after 2x5, I think it's Marv. He knows the podcast inside and out (hence the knitting needle prop from some obscure thing Mabel said one time at the beginning of the podcast), he knows and has used the secret passageways for mold work in the Arconia, and he had to have known Board President Bunny through his mold work. On Bunny's last day alive, Bunny kicked Marv off the Arconia property and refused to let him sell his podcast merchandise there, all while acting as if she didn't know him (put that in context of him possibly being the one who'd met with Bunny the day before). He was specifically shown to be upset at Bunny. Besides the podcasters, he would also benefit the most from the podcast continuing for a second season, as he was monetizing it, so a murder that directly involves the podcasters would be a fair gamble. And he would benefit from Nina becoming Board President (who wants to make money off the building). He was also there the night Bunny was murdered. He was part of the crowd (albeit with the other podcast fans) that gathered as the podcasters were led out of the building.
  11. I think it's a great theory that the painting is unrelated to the murder, and I keep coming back to that, too - only I can't get around that the painting ended up neatly hung in Charles' apartment. To me, that almost has to tie the painting and murder together. Why would the art thief give the painting to a man implicated in the murder of the painting's owner (even if they realized it was a fake)? Another motive would be that someone wanted to frame the podcasters AND end the podcast (per the Oliver Note in season 1)/get the podcasters removed from the building (like in season 1)/continue the podcast for monetary gain (if Marv is the killer), and Bunny happened to be a prime target because she lived across the hall from Mabel (easily moved to the preferred crime scene).
  12. Ah, no, you're right. I remembered the diner scene with her, Ivan, and Oliver/Will coming after the courtyard and completely spaced that she met with Matchbook the day before. Bah. But since Marv said he did mold removal for the building in this episode, he and Bunny must have known each other in at least a business capacity. Maybe they met about his work, and then Marv was enraged that Bunny outright dismissed him as if she didn't even know him the next day.
  13. He looked pretty upset/indignant in 2x3 after Bunny told him off. And a camera shot lingered on him after Bunny walked away. Maybe...
  14. On second thought ...what if the killer is Marv (Mark?), the fan who cleans mold out of the Arconia using the not-secret passages? He told Bunny he didn't trust women in positions of power, and she refused to let him sell podcast merchandise in the courtyard (early in 2x3, before she met with the matchbook-taking presumed-killer at the restaurant). A fan who is monetizing merchandise would want the podcast to continue, which would be in line with Nina's goals to monetize the Arconia and do away with old bylaws. And he obviously knows how to navigate the passageways and would have "inside" knowledge from possible spying. Super strange the fans were at the restaurant in this episode, right?
  15. Huh. Could someone whispering/mumbling "secret passage" sound like "fourteen Savage"? I have terrible auditory processing, and I'm going back and forth on if "secret" could really be mistaken for "fourteen." It does look like Alice/Delevingne is the prime suspect at the moment. Jan was pretty obvious last season but I (and, IIRC, a lot of people) thought she was a red herring because it was underwhelming that the murderer would be that obvious so early in the season (and we're already halfway through this season). I think this show's "surprises" tend to revolve around everything else happening in the building rather than the actual murder case, but Alice would be so underwhelming in her obviousness. I will say, though, that when Jan asked Charles, "Is someone staying close to you?" I immediately thought of Lucy. I think the show cutting straight to Alice is a misdirect (and hopefully not a giant anvil). ...and was Bunny's "14 Savage" possibly referring to Lucy?
  16. I thought the first episode had a somewhat different tone than the rest of season 1, almost like a pilot episode where some of the elements were dropped for the regular season. And it was somewhat disjointed in terms of how much it tried to do; without giving anything away, I think it plays a lot better in retrospect, so if you can get past Martin Short, it might be worth your while. FWIW, I don't think this show is amazingly fantastic; it's just a fun murder mystery with a truly great episode here and there...and some good piano BGM.
  17. It was the unopened bottle that Bunny gave them. The shot of it was clear when they were in the elevator. As a general comment, I was wondering last night if Nina or her husband were unhappy with the podcast stirring up negative press about the Arconia just as Nina was preparing to take over the board and monetize the building. She would have been preparing for all of that when Tim was killed, since Bunny was killed just two months after Tim and the show is currently still set in March 2021. I think she or her husband poisoned Winnie and left the note on Oliver’s door to stop the podcast. I don’t think they’re involved in Bunny’s murder though. And I think Howard left the note for Jan because he figured out she killed Evelyn via Tim. Not sure if or how all that would tie into the painting and Bunny’s death, though.
  18. For the finale, my SO and I didn't understand the logic behind each Iron Chef having 60 minutes each to prepare one dish, but the underdog competitor had 60 minutes to prepare all five dishes with two (?) sous chefs. Kinda takes the competition out of it.
  19. Bolded by me - I work with kids and families, and this happens a lot. A lot a lot. From how Lucy and Charles described Lucy's mom, as someone who runs from routine and stability and craves adventure, it doesn't surprise me at all that Emma (the mom) broke up but also went no-contact the very second Charles referred to them as a family (via the family fun cruise). If it helps any, from what Charles said last season, it sounds like Lucy might have lived with Charles for 1-2 years at most, rather than through her entire toddlerhood, early childhood, and lower elementary years, not that it really makes a giant difference. I have a post upthread somewhere that goes through the timeline based on what Charles said last season.
  20. He had a bandage on his lower right side LOL; here's a screencap. I don't know how time works on B&B (I've never really paid attention), but it seems like months (not weeks) have passed on the show. He got shot April 1, and they had a July 4 party last week. I mean, for any of the murdered-by-Sheila fake death stuff to even start to make sense, he would have needed to have been autopsied by a coroner. It's a soap opera, and I think we're seeing how silly these "So and So is still alive after being shot five years ago!" storylines really are, since we're seeing the details happen in real-time rather than get glossed over after-the-fact, and it's just not possible to pull off realistically. All in all, I'm just happy that they're actually depicting a guy built like Finn as being unable to support his own body weight and unable to strong-arm Sheila; that's actually more than I expect from a soap. YMMV. :)
  21. I saw a bandage on his right side when his shirt was cut open. He got shot more off to the side, rather than right to the center chest. Li is a surgeon and I figured she took out the bullet and fixed the internal bleeding with magical soap medicine skills that don’t require an OR. It seems like about four months have passed on the show, since the Forresters had their July 4 get together last week, so I figure the wound should be fairly healed by now. I mean, Steffy is physically healed enough to fly off to Paris. But, yeah, not much about his predicament has made a lot of medical sense…he’s brain dead when Li finds him with a doctor “doing everything possible” to save him but there was literally no medical equipment hooked up to him. He’s supposedly brain dead with Li but not on life support or requiring anything more than extra oxygen. He wakes up by dying and now goes back and forth between yelling full sentences and near-coma mumbling. Okay. Also, being forced to lay in a pop-up hospital bed would risk killing him, too; good call, Nurse Sheila. As a general comment, I agree he needs to calm down and play it cool but I don’t begrudge him the panic. I think he’s still learning how unstable Sheila is and has apparently learned from his wife how to whack a ticking time bomb with a sledgehammer.
  22. When Bunny was found, there was only the knitting needle inside of her. Early in 2x1, the police tell Mabel they haven’t found the real murder weapon, which was described as a knife. Mabel was surprised and had no idea that Bunny had been killed with a knife. The knife they found in this episode was presumed by the characters to be the missing murder weapon and the blood would be Bunny’s. Earlier I think you asked about Winnie’s poisoning - The show never resolved that. If Bunny’s killer could get into Oliver’s apartment to take a knife, then maybe the same killer tried to poison Winnie and that was never related to Jan. I think someone wants these three and their snooping around gone and it started last season.
  23. It's also the proverbial bible for various types of psychologists, licensed clinical social workers, mental health counselors, and basically anyone in a mental health profession (even Bachelor's-level) who works with diagnoses to determine medical codes, work with billing, and either determine or help carry out treatment planning. AP Psychology students learn about it in high school, as do many undergrads who take the equivalent of Psych 101 and/or basic human development courses. It's not obscure by any means. But since the DSM is my professional bible, I'll admit that might have made Lucy's Bloody Mabel tirade easier to understand. The more I think about it, the more I think Mabel wasn't lost/freaked out because of some huge age difference but because this strange teenager she's never met is talking a million miles a minute about inappropriate and boundary-crossing topics. I ended up liking Lucy but that introduction wasn't great for her.
  24. Who knew he’d be so good at acting essentially only with his eyes and facial expressions? That’s no small feat. I mean, the dialogue on this show is terrible and repetitive, so maybe it’s also partly that. I swear I've seen TN's eyes glaze over before LOL. Anyway, if JMW gets a nom for her dry-eyed wailing when Finn "died," but TN doesn’t get a nom for his work here, I’ll cry foul. As an aside, I think Finn would benefit from being written as less of a normal, neutral golden boy who got dropped into a bizarre soap opera land to serve Queen Steffy. This storyline would be a good time to retool Finn a little bit - not as a bad guy, but as a guy who has it less together and isn’t so controlled. It's working pretty well for him right now.
  25. Gotta admit, it’s fun watching Finn truly lose his shit for once, try as he might to hold it together. I find that Novlan is convincingly selling Finn being split between panicked self-preservation and desperately wanting to know if Sheila murdered Steffy. It’s almost like watching a different character. LOL you nailed it. And Taylor is lucky that Sheila has currently been terrorizing people who aren’t going to sue Taylor for Taylor’s professional opinion that someone with a lifelong personality disorder and decades of demonstrated antisocial/psychopathic behaviors was magically “cured” and should be allowed to interact with the targets of her obsession. I can't even. Maybe “world-renowned” means that everyone else in the world knows she’s a terrible psychiatrist who tries to shrink everyone she meets, including her own family members (which is rule #2 of stuff you don’t do as a mental health professional).
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