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  1. That was just basically one independent cube that Agnes controlled after being assimilated by a Queen from a different timeline who had been cut off from the Collective. The regular Borg from TNG and Voyager had nothing to do with season two and were not involved in Agnes’ friendly idea to only assimilate “willing” people at their lowest point in life (how kind). But I’d very much like if that big threat at the end of season two and the “alliance” with the Agnes Collective was a sham to set up for this story - and in the hundred of years between 2024 and now, she reunified with Borg Proper, helped them rebuild after Voyager Endgame (essentially took the place of the Queen that Janeway killed), and then arranged all this. Agnes would have the knowledge.
  2. Yep… I’m actually really happy this was all foreshadowed essentially from Episode 1, and then with Ro avoiding the transporters later in the season; it makes for a more or less cohesive season in retrospect. I’ve felt nuts the whole time thinking it was Borg/Locutus/DNA hijinks, while everything at face value screamed DS9. Not sure how it all wraps up in one episode, though; maybe Picard will give a really good speech (while Seven goes Queen again). 😅
  3. I saw a speculation-only theory that ties back to Ro not wanting to use the transporters - possibly a contagion has been passed through Starfleet through the transporters. My speculation based on that would be it's Changeling revenge for Starfleet's Dominion War virus, or, possibly, it's the Borg silently infecting everyone with nanoprobes that can be activated all at once. If the Borg thought it'd be easy to assimilate the Federation, they wouldn't have needed Locutus. (And when Picard died and became a synth, Locutus was lost, hence why Picard's kid is so special?) And it sounds like it's never been Irumodic Syndrome at all, based on what Data/Lore said in 3x7: "Soong research indicates an anomalous form inside Jean-Luc Picard. Previous diagnosis of Irumodic Syndrome is in question. Additional research establishes an inferior Picard. A perfectly imperfect Picard." That last piece of dialogue choice is interesting, because the Borg are all about literally achieving "perfection." Was he saying that whatever was in Picard's brain was meant to be there as a Borg imperfection? Or was he talking about Jack - the inferior Picard with JPL's perfect "imperfection"? It's fun to have a show to speculate about again, even if, historically, this show does not land finales, IMO 😅.
  4. They've so far made this season about another series' war and another series' villains. 🤷‍♂️ The Borg are at least relevant and deeply tied to Picard and TNG, while Janeway and what happened in Voyager's Endgame is deeply tied to this series' lead actress (Ryan/Seven).
  5. Unless they really pull something incredible off, the only thing I would find interesting and possibly compelling is if it's a representation of Locutus behind the door. (Or it's a door to get off the holodeck 🤣). Whether or not it makes sense for Picard to have passed along genetic Borg nanoprobes (IDK, maybe Picard/Locutus was actually meant to be some sort of trojan horse all along), thematically, having a Borg tie-in makes the most sense based on details strewn about the season (e.g., playing Picard's log from Best of Both Worlds, Shaw's Wolf 359 experience and Locutus exposition, Jack's hallucination of Seven, Vadic saying it made sense for Seven to witness whatever was supposed to have happened with Jack, and the Borg possibly being considered "ancient and weak," the latter thanks to Janeway) and even the major story-threads from Picard seasons 1 and 2. I really think we're too far along to go all in with a DS9/Changeling/Founders/Pah Wraith/etc explanation; the plane needs to start landing, and a Borg explanation is the closest runway. It's interesting to me, as a possible storypoint or possibly just a handwaved plothole, that Deanna was so quickly discovered on Nepenthe. In season 1, the Rikers were so far off the grid that Picard felt safe going there when he was being hunted. How did Vadic know? How did Vadic know so much about everything? It makes me wonder if Section 31 experimented on Vadic/the Changelings with Borg nanotech and there's some sort of Great Link/Borg Collective stuff going on; possibly Vadic tapped into Agnes's Collective. Or they grabbed Kestra from the Academy and tortured her for information, and Riker and Deanna don't care. I kinda miss Wesley. It doesn't feel right that he's not been a part of any of this. *ducks* I admit that I'm curious if they'll be able to pull it all together and to find out where this has all been going. Hopefully it's been going somewhere.
  6. Same. Felt like a waste for 90% of the characters, since no one remembered and they weren’t themselves. They have 10 episodes, not broadcast 22-25, and I’m surprised they did this episode (and the mutiny episode). It also makes me wonder why Pike wouldn’t be brought to this nebula after the radiation accident, unless Pike really doesn’t want to become whatever Deborah and Rukiya are.
  7. This showrunner immediately pushed nearly the entire cast of season one and season two of Picard aside, with the exception of Picard, Seven, and Raffi, to make room for all these TNG cast members that have apparently also been pushed aside. I'm not going to begrudge a longstanding main cast member of Picard a smidge of a storyline because that smidge is rooted in a different Trek show; I don't get that issue. Beyond that, I don't know if you've taken the time or interest to watch any of this series beyond this one ongoing season, but this season of Picard has shit all to do with itself and its prior storylines; the entire premise of Picard, whatever that premise actually was, has been uprooted to have all these non-Picard characters take center stage. And it's not the party we all thought it'd be. What this all means, IMO, is that this season of Picard is doing nothing for a lot of people - many Picard fans don't like it and many TNG fans don't like it, from what I've seen. Someone else said it upthread; whatever this is would have been "better" as a new limited series and not Picard season 3.
  8. Seven has been on Picard since season one. She’s one of the few last OGs of this specific show’s original cast (more or less), who happened to come from Voyager. This is kind of like surmising that DS9 was a TNG crossover because it had Worf and Miles and that one time Picard guest starred (like Tuvok here). If anything, it’s reading to me like a bad TNG rip off fanfic with a DS9 tie-in. 😉 We’ll see how much Janeway has to do in the last few episodes (if anything), because they certainly could make this into a Voyager fest. FWIW and related to your earlier post - I grew up in a chaotic and unpleasant household and latched onto TNG as a young kid. No interpersonal conflicts, respect for each other, tidy resolutions and happy endings, people doing good things because that’s what you do, and stalwart nonreactive solutions to bad situations? Sign me up. I learned a lot of who I am from TNG. These people on this show are not those people. I feel like I’ve met my heroes and everything was a lie. And they’ve also messed up Seven, so at least it’s everyone.
  9. IIRC, Admiral Pike said that there is no timeline he explored where he escapes the radiation accident and doesn't mess up everything else - "Every time we change the path, he dies." I took that as meaning that Pike had tried other ways and always got Spock killed. A butterfly flaps its wings type thing. If it wasn't for that line, I would just think that Pike could stay on the Enterprise for as long as he wants, so long as he kills the Romulans that day. Done. Pike's radiation accident has a huge impact on Spock, as he risks his career to give Pike a modicum of peace on Talos, and it sounds like that accident with that specific impact on that specific person is the galaxy-saving event that Pike achieves.
  10. Similar over here. I never got into DS9 and didn't like the direction it took Starfleet (didn't like Moore's take on BSG after season 1, either, FWIW), especially compared to TNG. But I enjoyed the more optimistic and typically idealistic Voyager, so I'm kind of geeking out about those little moments. But the DS9 stuff? I seriously don't care. I think this season ultimately wants to be the MCU of Star Trek and tie all the 90's shows into a big story, but it's (1) stuck in the framework of the show revolving around JPL, which isn't working; and (2) it's majorly suffering because the writers aren't good at writing the legacy characters.
  11. I really enjoy timey-wimey stuff and alternate looks at realities, so this episode was pretty cool. Like others, I didn't get Kirk from Wesley. At all. It's been a long time since I've rewatched TOS, but if they'd never named Kirk in this episode, I don't think I would have pegged him as Kirk. Since almost the start of SNW, I've gotten more Kirk vibes from Anson Mount than anything else. And this is where the episode and premise stumbled for me, a lot. I feel like either I don't have a good enough sense of Pike as a captain*, or they dumbed down Pike to make him so ineffective in this situation, or they wrote for convenience (because, any other episode, a catastrophic war and destroyed starships wouldn't have been the outcome). *I acknowledge that I haven't watched Discovery and I missed a whole lot of Pike there, but the last 4 of 5 SNW episodes before this one did nothing to build up to this episode's premise. Most importantly, I don't find that Pike has been well-developed on his own show, which circles back to my existing problem with SNW spending so much time developing established TOS legacy characters so early on. For instance, Una has barely been on this show, and I honestly don't care what happens to her. I don't have that connection. All that said, I really liked the ultimate moral ambiguity of the situation weighted against the fate of the Federation resting on the exact right person on the exact right ship at the exact right time. Pike wasn't wrong about the individual warbird and did what I would say any good Starfleet captain would try to do, but he catastrophically misjudged the Romulans. Kirk destroying the warbird could have just as easily ignited the same war; it's a roll of the dice against an unknown enemy. I'm curious if this will change how Pike approaches situations, or if he'll go uncompromisingly into his future with his existing ideals and convictions. I'm also very, very curious if they're ultimately going to go through with the radiation incident with Pike as-was on TOS. It was dark AF on TOS, and it will be beyond dark to have it happen to an established and now-well-beloved Trek captain. With the Kelvinverse tie-in in this episode, I'm wondering if they're going to find some sort of whacky "out" that way - since that Pike didn't get irradiated, that Spock did not personally suffer a physically terrible fate, and Spock Prime ends up there. There is, in fact, a timeline where it's possible (and didn't we all love the Khan serum that cures radiation poisoning 😝).
  12. I’m bummed about Hemmer for a variety of reasons. The biggest being … This show doesn’t need to barrel toward TOS, and it’s the TOS legacy characters - like Uhura and Spock and quite possibly Hemmer’s replacement (I’m a year behind but still unspoiled whoo hoo) - that I’m least interested in watching, but it’s those characters and TOS callbacks that the writers seem most interested in revolving the show around. Boo. Just reboot Prime TOS, then. I think what I like best about this show is the Enterprise and Mount’s Pike. I find myself wondering if it wasn’t for those two factors, if I’d care to keep watching. It’s certainly not the strange new worlds and new civilisations that they never actually get around to exploring.😅
  13. Just got around to watching this one due to travel. Beyond everything that's already been posted... I really enjoyed this episode. It was good Trek, more or less. While I still have my quibbles, I'm disappointed that there's only five episodes left. When watching, I keep thinking that this would have been a fantastic season 1, and the show itself could have been a kick ass series that stitched together major threads of the 90s Treks into one epic send-off. I don't have faith that there's going to be a decent resolution to this huge, franchise-spanning story they've finally decided to do, but I'm really, really hoping they stick the landing (with no reliance on some backdoor spin off). Also, I certainly remember Ro from TNG but apparently can now only see Michelle Forbes as Admiral Cain. That was weird. I can't with Raffi. She's a 21st century loose cannon in a 25th century plot, which was fine in the La Sirena spacescapade days but not so good since the show went all in on Starfleet.
  14. I feel like most all the legacy characters, including Seven, are acting more like their actors than their characters. It feels less like character development and more like “screw all that stuff from before.”
  15. We caught up with Picard and are now binging SNW. I’m really enjoying this show and feel like it’s good, solid Trek. Very enjoyable all the way around. We just got through this episode last night. I like that it gives itself time for hijinks and to let its characters breathe. That’s huge, in my book. I could do with more formality and Trek decorum, but I also like that characters aren’t siloed and actually interact with each other in different combinations. This episode really surprised me, in a good way, and what easily could have been filler seemed to progress characters forward. I’m also loving that both Pike and the audience knows what happens to him; I feel like we’re on borrowed time, even during the good moments and silly moments (like this episode), and even in the midst of the show’s optimism. I really don’t want to get to the end of Pike’s journey. My only issue is that Pike routinely reminds me of who an older, more experienced/mature Kelvin Kirk could have been (his interaction with Spock in this episode reminded me of Kelvin Kirk, and his physical relief at the end of last episode near exactly mirrored Kelvin Kirk’s relief when McCoy didn’t blow up in STiD). It doesn’t help that this Spock is more like Quinto than Nimoy, IMO, or that this Enterprise looks like the Kelvin Enterprise. I have to remind myself sometimes that this isn’t an alternate Kelvin timeline. To me, it doesn’t feel like Trek Prime or even TOS (harkening back to the discussion here of how these characters are supposed to turn into the TOS characters) - and I’m okay with that. I do think it’s going to be hard to square this show with TOS, unless the writers stall character development for the characters who rollover to TOS and also find some new aliens/strange new worlds to write around. But, yeah. This show makes me excited for Trek again.
  16. Agreed. I think of it as convenience writing. I like the fabric of this season, but the writing is loose, sloppy, and makes poor use of the fabric. There are good moments, and there's good nostalgia, but it's at the expense of good writing. This season could be incredible if the writing was tightened up or dialogue altered even just a little bit, which is what is incredibly fun (to me) about writing fiction - you have 100% control to fix the issues and solve the story puzzle, if the effort, thought, and (at times) sacrifice is put into it. Anyway. But Jack had no business even being on the bridge. He's not Starfleet. Starfleet isn't inherited. Riker and Picard don't know Jack at all. If this all happened on La Sirena, fine. But it's a starship with hundreds of lives at risk in a survival situation, and it's not okay to have some random guy they all just met call coordinates on the bridge because his parents are/were Starfleet. Why did Picard need Jack on the bridge? That whole sequence, starting with Riker ceding command to Picard (just pick a captain!), honestly made me think that, at this point in the story, I'd choose Cadet Kelvin!Kirk as captain over this version of Picard and even Riker. Imagine being a crew member on the Titan after those two showed up.
  17. I missed that line about the holodeck; thanks. That being said - I'd probably reroute that huge self-contained power system into the ship's main power to aid survival. Because the holodeck is a massive power draw, which means its self-contained system is a possible massive power source. Seven has the complete knowledge of the Borg Collective up until 30 some years ago, such as some obscure schematic for some random Delta Quadrant civilization's power needs that she was able to replicate single-handedly back in the Voyager days. She's also First Officer of the ship that Picard and Riker commandeered. But Team TNG doesn't have her in the Ready Room, when Riker's losing his shit and saying they're all dead because Beverly's plan will never work. Instead, they have a con artist who flies a shuttle of stolen medical supplies look old and broody, while his mom gives an inspirational speech that Saves the Day. I still don't buy it. 🤷‍♂️ It's enough to make me wonder about how Borgati assimilated her last season and if Seven is still physiologically/neurologically anything like Voyager!Seven (give her a show!!!). Honestly, I'm the opposite re: the kids. I really, really don't like shows about the characters' kids. All in all, watching this episode of Picard in between catching up on SNW (...we were CBS All Access/Paramount+ holdouts...) has convinced me that I'm fairly over watching once-beloved characters do dumb things and act bizarrely because *TNG Theme* engage.
  18. This poor crew, at the mercy of all these random people who boarded their ship, lead them into certain death, and replaced their entire command crew. This show is pandering way too much to TNG and that was the main reason I wanted to watch Picard. It’s like meeting your heroes and being highly disappointed. Does the holodeck not draw on power? Seriously? A cast for a broken bone? Seriously? Why the hell wouldn’t you have Seven working on how to channel the nebula’s energy into propulsion? She. Is. Brilliant. They’ve dumbed her down so, so much. I like Shaw. I don’t cognitively understand how Borg drones are blamed for what the Borg do, but it emotionally makes sense. I’d like a Shaw/Seven show in the vein of SNW. I still think this show overuses flashback framing to drive narrative but this season has used them effectively. I liked the ending beat when it was revealed that Jack had sought out Picard. Didn’t miss Raffi and forgot she existed until the credits rolled. I speculated about this in last episode’s thread…and now with Locutus being discussed and expositioned this episode, I’m more and more thinking that Jack is wanted because of some very rare biological Borg stuff that xB Picard passed down to him (though, technically, I guess B'Elanna's kid would also be the kid of an xB because of that one asinine Voyager episode...). Genetic nanoprobes? Genetic Borg memory? Curious what “Asset” refers to.
  19. I think it was supposed to connect to Picard taking the turbolift to sickbay after Jack was attacked by the Changeling. I think we were supposed to see that, just like with Riker's story of becoming a dad, it was the moment Picard emotionally became a father to Jack. Things like this and Suddenly A Commander Seven (and Surprise Son Jack) really, really make me wish Team Picard had changed the timeline last season and were left trying to navigate the differences while getting on with their lives. If Trek wants to be dark, there it is. Anyway... With the general discussion of the actual Big Bad for this season - as cool as it would be to tie all the way into DS9 (though I fear that would be too big of a bite for these writers), I’m hoping it connects with at least one of the stories or enemies from Picard seasons 1 or 2. That being said, the Borg have been a consistent presence across both seasons, and Jack’s “connect the branches” hallucination with Seven reminded me of the Borg transwarp hub diagram from Voyager’s “Endgame.” That transwarp hub was also located in the middle of a nebula. Which gets me thinking... Is Jack special not because he's a Picard but because he’s the child of an xB? (Which, IIRC, is pretty rare, if not a first time thing. I haven't really rewatched Old Trek for a while, though.)
  20. I agree that this is likely part of the reason for the story (except Q would have known and should have mentioned it or hinted at it last season, right?) but that rationale reads to me like a shoehorned plot contrivance than an organic story. The plot demands a son, so there’s a son. This show does too much reinventing of Picard, IMO. What would have been doable and organic to this show (and respectful of TNG) is if Team Picard had actually changed time last season and resulted in Jack’s existence, but Team Picard remained their original timeline selves (like Marty McFly remembering life before his dad became a success).
  21. I mostly enjoyed this episode. The nebula scenes were cool, and I really, really, really enjoyed when the Shrike portaled Titan's attack back at them. I'm curious about Vadic, who is pretty entertaining. Is there something with Jack and Seven? He gave her a look but didn’t say anything when he first came on board; he specifically sought her out in this episode; now he had that weird hallucination (?) of her. I’m curious if they ever crossed paths when she was a Ranger. I'm worried that this season, while much more interesting than season 1 and thematically intact than season 2, has the same problems as the first two. The interesting stories and characters don't get to breathe (I'd love to get to know this crew), so the focus can be on Picard, who is one of the most grating parts of the show. Some specific things that bugged: I can’t tell if Picard is acting bizarre or if Riker is acting bizarre or if it’s just bad writing. I don’t at all like Sidney. “I’m the daughter of a well-known legend and I decided to take the same career path as him but on a different part of a ship and that’s been so hard!” is not anywhere in the same realm of problem as “as a young child, I was kidnapped and brutalized by an alien race for 20 years, was rejected by Starfleet for 20 years because of being kidnapped+brutalized, and am now all-but-rejected by my boss who refuses to even use my name because he doesn’t like the alien race that kidnapped and brutalized me.” What was that scene, besides more cringe, bad writing. Seven was gracious. It doesn’t make sense that Seven is still confined to quarters, or that her “guard” still takes orders from her (when she allowed Sidney and then Jack inside)…except when he doesn’t. If I was Picard and Riker, I’d immediately want the ship’s real First Officer - and brilliant Seven of Nine - out and about doing her job. More bad writing, apparently so Picard and Riker could have a bizarre falling out in the middle of a catastrophe. It would have made a tiny bit more sense if Picard had known about Jack and didn’t want involved for the reasons Beverly cited. But since Jack is more than likely a huge retcon who wasn't conceptualized until after season 2, the writers couldn’t do that, because then Jack’s existence would have needed to be a key part of Q's machinations in season 2. More bad writing. On that note, I keep thinking that it might have been a better story if Jack was Rios who came back to the future with Team Picard, quit Starfleet again, and got involved in the Mariposa Medical thing that Beverly is a part of. But I guess that wouldn’t give Beverly the same level of story or allow the whole show to revolve around Picard's retconned personal life. I'm liking Raffi less and less. How was someone as impulsive and erratic as her ever successful in Starfleet, let alone someone who saw eye-to-eye with Picard? I watched Trek mostly when I was a kid, so maybe I have rose colored glasses on, but I don't remember archaic torture practices even being something that would cross any Federation citizen's mind in this century. I don't mind some realism or grit but Trek usually represented the best of what we could be - and how far we'd come since the grievous savageries of our species, as Q would put it. Between that and medical treatment now being CPR + fancy paddles with body flopping, I feel the writers think this is 2023 with fancy starships and aliens.
  22. I liked the callback to Rios when Jack said he was part of Mariposa Medical something or other. Did not like another flashback at the beginning; it’s way overused as a narrative device on this show and I’m not sure this particular one added anything. Riker and Picard both seemed to know that Picard had a son but just wasn’t sure that Jack was the son. At the least, Picard didn’t really seem surprised; resigned, more like. Beverly looked guilty. I’m curious how it’s going to be retconned. On this show alone, it’s odd that Q went to all the trouble to absolve Picard and empower him to have a love life last season but never bothered to mention Beverly or a long-abandoned kid. I feel like Q would have taunted Picard with that information. Shaw is a weak captain but I respected that he instantly fell in line at the end to protect Picard’s son. And I can’t tell if the crew prefers Seven over him or if they’re just really uncomfortable with the nonstop command tension. I really hated when Sydni said the other ship was “pissed off.” Old Trek’s decorum could be stuffy but it was aspirational. And her randomly referencing Geordi was clunky AF. Raffi is annoying in all her impulsive tantrums. Love Worf but that story can end anytime. At least we’re still on a starship. I’ll take it.
  23. This episode was mostly a big “hell yeah” from me. I grew up watching TNG on Sunday mornings, and this episode tapped into all the nostalgia. The font! The theme song! STARSHIPS FINALLY. Riker! Crusher! For now, it’s more or less the show I expected to get for seasons 1 and 2. Although I have doubts about the whole season (fool me once…), and although I doubt there’s any intention to tie this season into the S1-2 cannon fodder characters or Big Bads (what’s up with the galaxy-killing transwarphole thing?), I was pretty happy with this episode. I also grew up watching Voyager, and… welp, sorry, Shaw, but Seven’s gonna Seven 😅. All in all, I don’t buy that Starfleet wouldn’t even let Seven into the Academy after Voyager, and I don’t know if I now buy that she kinda-sorta Kelvin-Kirked her way to a command position, but I’m really hoping that (1) there’s more exploration of Seven giving up her hard-won identity and autonomy to be part of Starfleet; and (2) this is going to lead to a Captain Seven show. Also, I don’t know why, but I’m thrilled that she’s becoming part of the TNG gang. Cautiously optimistic.
  24. Piggybacking off this nearly-year-old comment... I was convinced that she was actually Laris. It doesn't make any sense, to me, that she and Laris are different people 400 years apart but just happen to be indistinguishable and fondly attached to the same man. Soong's human neurotoxin could have just not worked on a Romulan. 🤷‍♂️ All in all, as a new-to-the-show binge viewer, this season did not work for me. Most close/deeply-felt character moments seemed forced and unearned because the writers decided to leave 1x10->2x1 character/story development to the fanfic writers, while deeply-felt moments that I expected to happen... never happened. Picard seemed so hung up on his surprise mom issues that he forgot to react to almost anything that happened to his crew or even anything happening to him between confusing flashbacks. My sense is that the writers weren't able to get out of their own heads long enough to write a good character-driven story (e.g., like when none of the characters blinked when Agnes became a Borg Queen and took off into space...the writers knew Agnes was "okay" but seemed to forget the characters and audience didn't). In my opinion, this was a supremely unfulfilling second season and a waste of the characters introduced in season one, with Raffi faring best. And I'm bummed that I found Picard to be the worst thing about Picard. Anyway, I'm glad to see that Seven has had a chance to become her own person and grow as an individual; backing off from Starfleet after Voyager was likely the right move, even if I'm skeptical that she's so well-adjusted given she went from 6 to ~30-years-old as a mindless drone (hard to reconcile with how the xB's were depicted last season). Anyway, I'm happy that she was brought onto this show as a main character but sad that they seemed to dumb her down. In this episode alone, Voyager!Seven would have solved Soong's computer/drone problem in about 0.5 seconds, rather than wringing her hands while Raffi and Rios bumbled around; as I recall, Seven routinely ran tech circles around a ship full of brilliant Starfleet crewmembers. (There are probably ways to fanwank that, sure, but I'd love to see a good canonical deep dive into Seven.)
  25. Same here and agreed. The show doesn't play better on binge. We're doing 1-2 episodes a night. We think it's a disaster of a series so far: some good ideas with no room to breathe, just enough bad ideas that are given way too much room to breathe, and very little narrative strength (this episode was absolutely all over the place, and now we're back to Renee, who we haven't seen in, what, three episodes?). More than that, I don't buy that any of these characters are invested in each other the way the writing tries to make me believe; this season's character threads, especially with Raffi+Seven and Raffi+Elnor, were not earned. The best way I can describe it is that I feel like I dropped back into this show after missing several seasons. The writing choices are absolutely baffling and rely far, far too heavily on flashbacks, especially this episode with the mom scenes interspersed with what should have been some compelling "save Agnes, save the future" scenes. The end of this episode sure did reinforce the Queen's argument that no one really cares about Agnes. Haven't gotten to 2x10 yet but I'm hoping Agnes is saved somehow.
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