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  1. 12 hours ago, Arkay said:

    I'm a mandated reporter when it comes to children. That would include if I had proof that a child is about to get into a vehicle with a drunken driver. It should be mandatory when there is physical proof that an active pilot is drunk. My job requires me to report anything that could endanger a child---it's more than likely that there are children on a plane, but I'm not with them in an airport and wouldn't know about it. I think a doctor should be required to report this. 

    Except the pilot wasn't working. He clearly stated that he went back to the hotel after his visit in the ER and then he got drunk again which kept him buzzed the next morning. He didn't go out in his inebriated state from the ER straight to a plane. He was off work.

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  2. Wasn't it implied the tremors were caused by stress/anxiety since the heavy meds he was taking didn't work? I figured that removing cause of the stress (no longer doing surgeries, feeling better about himself and the hospital etc) was responsible for the lack of tremors.

    What was the new guy's specialty? I was confused by him coming in at the last minute with his "mother of all surgeries" and barely doing anything. I thought he was a neurosurgeon. Was he supposed to be performing surgery on the spinal cord? And if he's a neurosurgeon then why would his billing pose a risk to Kit? Her specialty is very different and, considering she's the only one called on when it's required, the only surgeon in the hospital that's actually specialized in it.

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  3. 19 hours ago, sinkwriter said:

    I think they see Holden (and all the authorities) as untrustworthy and "too little, too late." That everything gets tied up in politics and bureaucracy, and no one gives a shit about these poor children who are going missing and getting murdered. She doesn't know Holden, she has no history with him, and so far he's only gotten involved when the Bureau let him get involved. We know that Holden is driven for answers, but that's not anything these mothers can see from their end of things. And the deaths keep happening, and no one knows what's being done. It probably feels like nothing's being done. They just keep seeing more children disappearing. So I would imagine they're pretty angry and see this as another situation where no one cares enough because it's not white kids going missing. What's really hideous is that this kind of attitude (the politicians and the cops, not the mothers) is still going on today. There are so many situations where things seem to get taken much more seriously if the victim involved is a (straight) white male. There are times when that mother was quiet and polite (as best as she could be under the circumstances); she even shook Holden's hand, even though she definitely hesitated. But I can't blame her for being angry and demanding answers. 

    Side note: what I'm curious about is what Jim's got cooking in his brain after talking to that mother whose kid knew almost all the victims. He seemed to find that curious, which makes me wonder if it could be another situation where the kid got groomed for bringing victims to the perpetrator. Until "Pat-man" lost his usefulness, perhaps? Because he's not missing; he was killed too, right? 

    It probably didn't help that he asked "what are these two?" when asking the mother for help and she had to inform him that those two pins represented the places where two kids went missing. That wouldn't give me any confidence in his ability to solve the crimes, if I were her.

    Not to mention he told her they would errect crosses as a memorial, rather than ask or say "we think it might be a good idea to..." and she clearly realized it would double (or function mostly) as a place for the killer to remember the killings. He seems to have forgotten that one of her own children was also killed and as such, might not be comfortable with that idea.

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  4. Was I the only one who expected Celeste to crash the car on her way to court with the boys? They'd emphasized ML's accident so much and then we practically followed Celeste all the way from home to the court.

    When that didn't happen, I remained wary of all the other car scenes. For a moment, I even wondered if the headlights Bonnie was seeing at the police station were ML's and ML would crash into her, ending both their lives and the mystery/guilt tripping over Perry's death.

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  5. On 6/7/2019 at 3:03 PM, mcgkgm said:

    I kept expecting them to spell out at some point that the accident had caused Judy's most recent miscarriage.  Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but with her being so far along this time, it's where my mind went.  I thought that made the connection between J&J even more poignant. They both really did suffer a loss that night, and one that connected them to each other in yet another way.

    I briefly considered it, but am pretty sure she wore a different dress in the car vs hospital scene. Although, I suppose the miscarriage could have happened a day or two later, maybe?

  6. Wasn't there some kind of agreement with Sherlock's father or Moriarty (I don't recall) that would ensure Joan stays alive? As in, no harm would befall her from their organization and if something were to happen to her, Sherlock would look to them first and so it was basically agreed upon that they'd keep her safe? Or did I imagine that part?

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  7. 16 minutes ago, tv-talk said:

    Dany said it herself, she was not loved and would NEVER be loved there the way Jon would have been. She killed all those people because they were a threat to her rule, she decided for herself that 1mill commoners who didnt want her there was never going to work, so she annihilated them to the point that no one will ever question her again out of FEAR. She said it herself and it isnt "madness" it's cold and calculating (ok dragonfire hot and calculating"

    Perhaps, but it doesn't really make sense to kill all those people if she wants the "future generation" to be free of tyrants and wars... 'cause the way she was dracarysing, there'll be no future generation. 

    15 minutes ago, RealReality said:

    You could argue that the moon is made of green cheese.  But being roasted alive as you scream in agony sounds far less dignified then a beheading, and I think the dignity of a beheading is the reason it was used for royal executions for years.

    That, and they didn't have dragons.

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  8. So, this is all part of Bran's masterplan, right?

    Maybe the folks on here who've been saying for weeks that maybe he/3ER is the truly evil were actually right. He did push Sam to tell Jon about his true parentage at pretty much the worst possible moment and all of that lead to Dany burning down KL...

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  9. I had tons of thoughts after watching this ep on Monday and even multiquoted lots of posts to respond to and then I got interrupted, life happened and suddenly there were over a dozen more pages when I checked in today. So, I'll just post some thoughts below instead.

    For a moment, I thought Dany was pregnant during the celebrations. She wasn't drinking after the toasts, was watching Jon with his buddies and Sansa seemed to be side-eyeing. Turned out to (most likely) be  false alarm though. It was just her watching Jon being praised/loved and probably thinking how the truth about his parentage would ruin her dream of the iron throne.

    Sansa was out of line (and not really needed, anyway) during the war meeting or whatever it's called. It was not her place to state the soldiers needed rest when she was in a room with those soldiers' commanders and the queen. And then to be all "uh, I don't know, lemme ask" when Dany questioned her rubbed me the wrong way. You don't go into a meeting unprepared.

    Also, Dany has been doing this (fighting wars/conquering) for quite some time now and I think she may just have a tad more insight into her men's fitness than Sansa. Not to mention that Dany's men are Dothraki and Unsullied, both pretty much born and bred to fight. They can handle a walk south, especially if half of it is traveling by sailboat. Jon was there to speak for the northerners and he clearly had no objection to leaving again. Might be best to get them all to keep moving/fighting before they settle back into their old routines and will refuse to go to war again a few months on.

    Arya apparently did a 180 from family/sticking together and leaving Winterfell with no plans to return without saying so much as goodbye. Odd.

    Did not see Rhaegal's death coming! It was so sudden, I almost wondered if it was some weird TV thing where Dany was having a nightmare about losing another dragon and then we'd see her wake up. Alas, it was not so 😞 The weirder part was indeed that neither Dany nor her dragons (who have a pretty good survival instinct) apparently noticed that entire fleet. I was also expecting Drogon at the least to dracarys all the ships, if not Dany giving the command. Would have even settled for a sad lil' dracarys from Rhaegal as he fell, like a last attempt to protect his mother and sibling.

    The number of ballistas on the ships and later KL was ridiculous! They'd probably need a decade to make that many, assuming they had enough materials and manpower (or money to buy them) which they clearly didn't after the carnage left by the war of five kings.

    I like the idea that Dany's little group at the parlay was small because a) she does not want Cersei to know her actual numbers and b) because they all had to fit on Drogon to fly them over.

    When Tyrion mentioned Cersei's pregnancy and we kept going back and forth between him on the ground and Cersei and her people on the walls, I wasn't thinking Missandei should jump while dragging Cersei with her; I kept thinking Euron would realize Tyrion knowing about the pregnancy meant the baby couldn't be his (and was most likely Jaime's) and he'd unceremoniously shove her off the wall, to her death...

    I was hoping Missandei's "dracarys" would get Drogon's attention and he'd attack unexpectedly and kill them all in revenge for Missandei's death.

    I think that was it. More might come to me later.

    ETA:

    I don't think it's all that strange for Dany not to "mingle" with her subjects. One, because they're her subjects, like when have you ever seen Cersei or Robert mingle with the peasants? Two, the northerners pretty much hate her, or at least they did when she first arrived which was only a couple of days ago. Third, she grew up as the little sister of the "beggar king", on the streets until they were taken in by Illyrio (and possibly before that in the house with the red door and lemon tree) and then she was married off to a "savage". She went from adolescent to young woman among the Dothraki, that's when she came into her own and how she learned to participate in society. It's pretty amazing she's turned out as well as she has.

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  10. On 5/6/2019 at 7:35 PM, Bryce Lynch said:

    If she had gone against him, told the truth and called him a liar that would have been a whole different ballgame. 

    "Do I have to marry her?" and "There is no way in Seven Hells I am marrying that little c***!" are not the same thing.   

    More importantly, Cersei wouldn't have wanted Joffrey to marry a girl who was strong-headed enough to oppose him. She hated Margaery because of the influence she had over Joffrey and later Tommen. By not telling the truth, Sansa proved she was a meek little bird and that's why Cersei was fine with them marrying.

    On 5/6/2019 at 8:21 PM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

    What bothered me about Jaime/Brienne wasn't that they had sex (I'm all for Brienne getting some!) but the way that it happened. Jaime barges into her room and starts telling her she has to drink and then he proceeds to start taking off his various layers. Brienne sees he's having trouble with his shirt so she goes to help him and his next move is to try to take her shirt off. Like seriously, dude? THAT'S your move? Storm in, try to get her drunk, fling your clothes around the room, and expect sex? Maybe it's a good thing he was fucking his sister all this time because based on this scene, he has no game. I think Brienne deserves better than that.

    Say what you will about Tormund, but I feel like he would have made more of an effort than that. I mean, it might have been super weird, but there would have been some conscious effort to woo her in his own wildling way.

    Actually, I thought his "moves" were pretty similar to how we have seen him and Cersei get together, which just kinda proved that he has no idea how to really be with anyone but his sister.

    On 5/6/2019 at 8:29 PM, Andromeda said:

    If she was going to raise it as a concern, why didn't she do her homework and ask them before the meeting? It comes off just like the food issue, as Sansa thinking up something to spar with Dany over. Food and soldier health are both important issues, but Sansa is just using them to be contrary, which is a shame.

    I was so thinking this during the scene. Who goes into a meeting unprepared? Sansa is there with Dany and commanders of the armies, yet she thinks she's the one who knows what's best for their armies. It would have been very different if she'd said, "actually, I talked to the maesters and if we wait a few more weeks then even the severly wounded can rejoin you to march on KL, your Grace."

    On 5/7/2019 at 2:53 AM, BooBear said:

    My problem with these scene is that it just wasn't Brianne. Have we ever seen her cry before? Even when Renly was killed? Backing up though I just thought the whole thing was out of some romance book. Her feeling insecure about being asked if she was a virgin, Jamie running after her. I also don't buy that SHE would ever buy Jamie showing any sexual attraction to her. After years and years of people making fun of her for her looks I think she wouldn't be capable of dealing with it in any normal way.  She might know Jamie was legit but wouldn't want her heart broken for the 1% chance that he was not on the level.  I might have bought it more they had sex pre fighting the dead. At least then, day after consequences were in doubt and Brianne could just enjoy herself. 

    On 5/7/2019 at 3:25 AM, chrisvee said:

    Huh and here I thought he was just nervous bc it meant so much to him

    I thought he was nervous, too. Not necessarily because of how much it may or may not mean to him, but because he's never been with anyone but Cersei and he's no longer the proud and handsome knight with two good hands he used to be. Now he's got a stump and despite how freaking cold that thing must get up north, he still wears it instead of wrapping it up warmly because then everyone can really see he no longer has his right hand.

    On 5/7/2019 at 6:06 PM, Constantinople said:

    She's also trying to portray herself as good and Daenerys as bad. If Cersei publicly broke the rules of war it would look bad in front of lords and people who support her. Not that Cersei cares about them, but she's seen what the people can do if they riot in King's Landing.

    Pretty sure beheading a hostage during parlay is breaking the rules...

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  11. 3 hours ago, paigow said:

    Obviously, Winterfell was built in violation of Northern fire safety codes...Only one exit...unless you jump off the wall into a snowbank.....

    You mean that wasn't the emergency exit?

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  12. 3 minutes ago, Affogato said:

      the common folk may  hold Jon accountable, or Sam if he becomes Lord Tarley. 

    I doubt the common folk would even know who they are and that they ever joined the NW.

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  13. 4 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

    Which begs the question, how will Gendry prove his lineage if he desires the throne? 

    Bran could probably tell him how beautiful or ugly his mother looked on the night Gendry was conceived...

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  14. 4 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

    I agree.  But, at this point, the technicalities of  Night's Watch Vow are probably a moot point.  A huge section of the wall has been destroyed and the enemies to the North of it have either been destroyed or have become allies.    It is quite possible the Night's Watch will be disbanded.  

    They did pretty much state that Edd, Sam and Jon were the only ones left. Now it's only Jon, who died and therefore is no longer bound by his vows & Sam who abandoned his training at the Citadel and has his own family (in Gilly and Lil' Sam).

    Not sure there's anything to disband.

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  15. 2 minutes ago, Absurda said:

    All that said, when she pointed out to Tyrion that his loyalty to the dragon queen would be a problem between them, I didn't get the feeling that she was throwing shade on anyone.  Just being truthful and reflective.  In the moment, I thought Missendei's comeback to her was overly harsh. 

    Of course, Missendei's overall message (this woman is fighting and potentially dying for the North, doesn't that earn some loyalty from you?) is worth Sansa hearing.  She doesn't have to give up on an independent North, but she could at least see Dany is not the enemy.

    Sansa should have said the Queen/Queen Danaerys (in case she'd be worried he thought her reference was to Cersei) since the KitN bent the knee to Dany. Instead, she used "dragon queen", which is the moniker Dany's enemies (including Cersei) use. Even if she'd simply said Danaerys it would have come across better than "dragon queen", although still lacking respect considering Jon accepted Dany as their queen.

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  16. 3 minutes ago, Sakura12 said:

    Especially when Dany another non fighter picked up sword rather then that Jorah do all the work or ran and hid in the flames. Which she could've done. She'd lose her clothes but the dead couldn't get her. 

    During the badly lit dragon chase/fight I kept thinking it was a good thing for Jon that the NK had Vyserion fire at Drogon/Dany rather than Rhaegal/Jon because at least Dany can withstand the heat (even if she would end up naked) - Jon would've been dracarysed to death if roles were reversed. Perhaps that's also one of the reasons it's said only those with "blood of the dragon" can ride dragons.

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  17. 19 minutes ago, MissLucas said:

    And it should be noted that the great Spider also did not manage to come up with a cunning plan.

    I was wondering what had "earned" him a place in the crypts. Not having balls isn't an excuse to duck out of the fighting. He may not be a soldier, but neither were the northern farmers/refugees like the guy talking to Davos in the previous ep.

    Tyrion was sent there because Dany needs him as HotQ, but Varys hasn't really given much advice so far and certainly isn't someone she really relies on/needs. Yet.

    And not having balls also kinda disqualifies him for repopulation afterwards. I was already thinking to myself that the north could end up with a disproportionate number of dwarves in the future if Tyrion stayed up there... didn't see any other men, except for little boys. Not even elderly ones.

    13 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

    I suspect that's actually not what she was realistically doing--that's what we saw her doing because administrative stuff is boring to watch. Self-defense class would have been fine too, but I don't think it would have made that much of a difference. She probably would still have done the same thing: waited, freaked out, gotten herself together and go out with a knife and hope for the best.

    What kind of admin do you think Sansa has been doing as Lady of Winterfell while Jon was recruiting Dany etc.? Genuine question. Because she did not have a clue about how much food they had, how much had been brought in by the northerners, how many mouths they could feed and so on. Granted, she was the one who caught the lack of leather for the new armor but if she'd been up to date on production numbers and the amounts of raw material they had etc. then she would have already known this without having to see it.

  18. 4 minutes ago, MadameKillerB said:

    But they did. They were preparing themselves to fight when all the wights collapsed. If Arya hadn't killed the NK at that moment, Tyrion and Sansa would have likely died fighting.

    They certainly would have died, but I think that's the only part we can agree on 😉 

  19. 7 minutes ago, LadyChaos said:

    TBF, I think that the problem with Sansa's character is twofold.  

    1) we're constantly being told how great she is, while never actually seeing her do something smart...aside from executing Littlefinger.

    And she didn't even execute him herself...

    Not to mention that TPTB cut the scene from that episode where Bran told Sansa and Arya that LF was playing them against each other and that's how they figured it out and decided he had to be executed. It wasn't even Sansa's alleged "smarts" who figured it out*.

    *Sidenote: I was also disappointed in Arya for falling for it. But she did kinda make up for that failure by killing the NK.

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  20. 18 minutes ago, DarkRaichu said:

    Trying to shake off the 100 or so pesky ice zombies riding on him and hacking him little bit at a time

    I think I felt more sympathy for Drogon while all the undead were climbing on him and stabbing him, than when pretty much any of the main characters was attacked... 😓 Certainly cared more about him flying off to safety than Dolorous Edd dying.

    14 minutes ago, Blakeston said:

    Sansa has a lot of symbolic value to the North, but extremely little value as a fighter. If I were a Northerner, I'd want her in the crypt. The odds of her actually making the difference in the battle against the Night King were basically zero, but her death in battle would have been quite demoralizing.

    It's the same reason the First Lady is immediately escorted into a safe room in the event of an attack on the US, instead of being given a gun and asked to fight.

    I don't think Sansa's comments in the crypt were especially disrespectful toward Dany. She was acknowledging that she and Dany are on different sides on the issue of Northern independence. And she was right that it would be a major issue between her and Tyrion.

    Except FLOTUS would be escorted into a safe room and guarded by armed security. 

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  21. 3 hours ago, MissLucas said:

    Sansa made sure Winterfell was a safe haven for all who managed to get there and provided food and shelter to all the refugees and reinforcements flocking to Winterfell. In other words she did exactly what the Lady of Winterfell had to do. Girlpower is great but I'm getting a bit tired of people overlooking that even tiny bears and assassins need food, shelter and awesome cloaks in order to kick ass at their best.

    She did and that's great and all, but realistically all she did was walk around Winterfell pointing at things and asking questions of those with actual knowledge/experience  ("shouldn't they add leather to the armor?", "how much food has been stored?" and "how long was the longest winter?" - paraphrasing) and telling others what to do. That doesn't take 24/7. Not even 8 hours a day. She should have included an hour or two of self defense classes with Brienne, if only to be able to defend herself and her people in the crypts if the wights/WW/NK broke through the door. Instead, they were sitting ducks. She didn't even pull out the dagger Arya gave her until it was almost  too late. 

    Not saying she should've been a GI Jane all of a sudden, but she's basically been claiming her spot as Lady of Winterfell (and even considered betraying/overthrowing Jon when he went to Dragonstone) and yet just hid while her people were being killed. Kinda hard to be the lady of anything if everyone else is dead.

    1 hour ago, aquarian1 said:

    I think the Night King makes winter worse and/or longer.  Although I've been confused on that, too.  DId he control the weather from beyond the wall?  It seems they've had bad winters before, even if it's been more than a few years, so was he doing that?  but it's been so long since the Night King and WW were around, and the wall built, that people didn't think they were real anymore.  So how all that works out, I don't know.  

    I'm not sure if it was told in the show, possibly early on by Old Nan, but in the books it was said that the NK (well, really "the Others") brings the cold. Not necessarily winter itself. And winter being over just because the NK is dead makes no sense either when all the adults/eldery were talking about how all the young ones have only seen spring, never winter early on. So, I think the NK brought the (cold) winds and icy/snowy storm during the battle, but that it'll still continue to snow now that he's dead. It will be a "normal" Westeros winter, not a long night that'll last years.

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  22. 17 hours ago, Conan Troutman said:

    He went MIA once he crashed, so I assume he's dead, but he could be just badly injured.

    I couldn't tell which dragon was which because everything was so dark (and it was still light out here) and assumed Drogon was the one who ripped off half of Viseryon's neck and then nothing for a while... I was worried Rhaegal had been killed too and for a moment thought it was him/her with the blue dragonfire (with Jon in the courtyard or wherever) until I realized the fire was also coming out of its neck, where V had been injured. My thinking was that if Rhaegal had been killed, we'd have seen two "ice" dragons because the NK raised all the dead and we didn't, so he/she must still be alive.

    16 hours ago, bluvelvet said:

    Just read this on Twitter and didn’t even think of it. The Lord of Light brought Beric back all those times to fulfill his role to protect Arya. Hence why Mel said he fulfilled his purpose. Mel also fulfilled her mission and let herself die. 

    16 hours ago, Growsonwalls said:

    I;m glad they also gave Melisandre a hero's death because I'll admit, I almost stopped watching GoT after Shireen was sacrificed. That sweet wonderful girl dying like that was so hard for me to watch that I really almost stopped watching. And I'll never forgive Melisandre for her role in Shireen's death. But at least she redeemed herself.

    I would have absolutely loved it if instead of taking off the necklace, Melissandre would have been standing there, realizing what had happened ("they" had won!) and that dawn was coming... her necklace falls off, she looks over her shoulder at Davos, gives him a small nod and walks off to die. Small difference, mostly the necklace falling off instead of her removing it, but the distinction would not be her "giving up" or whatever for fulfilling her destiny, but with her actions (firing up the arakhs and the trench) she burned up all her magic and did it knowingly.

    16 hours ago, BitterApple said:

    When the AOTD was climbing the walls, I was screaming, "WHERE THE HELL ARE THE DRAGONS?!!!!!!." Dany and Jon could've knocked the mob out in one shot, but were off playing tag with the Night King. 

    Regarding Bran, can he just be useful for a frigging change? What's the point of having all these visions when they can't do jack shit to help the cause? 

    Same, on both accounts.

    16 hours ago, LadyChaos said:

    Any sympathy I had for Sansa I lost.  She literally had a weapon and hid to save herself while people died.  Even if she didn't know how to use it, she could have tried to save the people.  

    Same.

    16 hours ago, maydaymayday said:

    Am I the only one who thought Theon would rise up and kill the night King?

    For a moment I was kinda hoping, especially when the NK was staring down at him. Then I was like, 'ah, I get it! Bran's sitting there so calmly because he's gonna warg into Theon (whose mind is still weak from his Reek period and thus easier to overtake than a regular person, similar to Hodor) and then kill the NK!', but that didn't happen either. 

    Not that I don't love Arya's kill 🙂 

    16 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

    Another question: Where were all the identifiable dead Starks among the crypt rising dead? Seems like a wasted opportunity not to see Lyanna, Catelyn, and especially headless Ned.

    Who knows, maybe those iron swords in the laps of the dead lords really do work 😉 

    8 hours ago, merrick715 said:

    I agree Sansa would have looked better if she was shown keeping morale up, beforehand.  However, I don't know what a true leader would do with the Westerosi equivalent of a shank, especially, if said leader, had no weapons training.

    And whose fault is that? We've seen her watching her little sister fight, we've seen pretty much every northerner training with weapons, Jon and the northern lords/ladies agreed everyone, including the women, had to fight... yet Sansa couldn't be bothered to pick up a weapon and get some training. She could have even asked Brienne for some private tutoring indoors if she felt embarrassed about it or whatever. I just don't get the total lack of survival instinct from her.

    8 hours ago, merrick715 said:

    Thank you. Someone should have taken a few swords or spears down in the crypts with them, The only reason Sansa had that shank was that Arya gave it to her, and then sent her to the crypts.  It seemed like it wasn't the plan for Sansa to go to the crypts.  She is standing on the battlements with Arya, and it isn't until the Dothraki get slaughtered, that Arya sends her away.

    I'm guessing Sansa was being her cocky self until she saw what the NK, WW and the army of the dead were capable of and realized that, yeah, maybe she should be in the crypts with all the helpless women, children, dwarf and eunuch.

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  23. On 4/22/2019 at 10:51 PM, stagmania said:

    That WW can't cross water was the entire conceit of the episode where they went on the wight-capturing mission. Dany had to get there to save them before the water re-froze. 

    That is certainly implied. However, the NK being able to see the future like Bran (and having had thousands of years more practice) means it's entirely possible he was simply waiting for Dany and her dragons. If he'd let his army kill the group, then Dany could have seen it as soon as she approached and turned right around to fly her dragons back, preventing the NK from killing Viserion.

    Not being able to cross water just doesn't sound plausible to me. I don't expect them to be able to walk on water or swim through it, but I doubt it'd disable/kill them. Fire kills them, not a dunking or water spray. Being unable to swim and not needing to breathe means they could just walk over the bottom and climb out when the body of water is shallow. Or pile up onto each other and the others can walk over them, like they did when encountering the barriers on Hardhome.

    If they couldn't cross water, then how could they put chains on Viserion who was on the bottom of the body of water (ocean, sea, lake?)?

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