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  1. Efzee

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    Sadly, I didn't have many feels during this finale. All just felt kinda "meh" to me. All I'll say is: well played, Bran. Well, played.
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    S08.E05: The Bells

    Perhaps, but it doesn't really make sense to kill all those people if she wants the "future generation" to be free of tyrants and wars... 'cause the way she was dracarysing, there'll be no future generation. That, and they didn't have dragons.
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    S08.E05: The Bells

    So, this is all part of Bran's masterplan, right? Maybe the folks on here who've been saying for weeks that maybe he/3ER is the truly evil were actually right. He did push Sam to tell Jon about his true parentage at pretty much the worst possible moment and all of that lead to Dany burning down KL...
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    S08.E04: The Last of the Starks

    I had tons of thoughts after watching this ep on Monday and even multiquoted lots of posts to respond to and then I got interrupted, life happened and suddenly there were over a dozen more pages when I checked in today. So, I'll just post some thoughts below instead. For a moment, I thought Dany was pregnant during the celebrations. She wasn't drinking after the toasts, was watching Jon with his buddies and Sansa seemed to be side-eyeing. Turned out to (most likely) be false alarm though. It was just her watching Jon being praised/loved and probably thinking how the truth about his parentage would ruin her dream of the iron throne. Sansa was out of line (and not really needed, anyway) during the war meeting or whatever it's called. It was not her place to state the soldiers needed rest when she was in a room with those soldiers' commanders and the queen. And then to be all "uh, I don't know, lemme ask" when Dany questioned her rubbed me the wrong way. You don't go into a meeting unprepared. Also, Dany has been doing this (fighting wars/conquering) for quite some time now and I think she may just have a tad more insight into her men's fitness than Sansa. Not to mention that Dany's men are Dothraki and Unsullied, both pretty much born and bred to fight. They can handle a walk south, especially if half of it is traveling by sailboat. Jon was there to speak for the northerners and he clearly had no objection to leaving again. Might be best to get them all to keep moving/fighting before they settle back into their old routines and will refuse to go to war again a few months on. Arya apparently did a 180 from family/sticking together and leaving Winterfell with no plans to return without saying so much as goodbye. Odd. Did not see Rhaegal's death coming! It was so sudden, I almost wondered if it was some weird TV thing where Dany was having a nightmare about losing another dragon and then we'd see her wake up. Alas, it was not so 😞 The weirder part was indeed that neither Dany nor her dragons (who have a pretty good survival instinct) apparently noticed that entire fleet. I was also expecting Drogon at the least to dracarys all the ships, if not Dany giving the command. Would have even settled for a sad lil' dracarys from Rhaegal as he fell, like a last attempt to protect his mother and sibling. The number of ballistas on the ships and later KL was ridiculous! They'd probably need a decade to make that many, assuming they had enough materials and manpower (or money to buy them) which they clearly didn't after the carnage left by the war of five kings. I like the idea that Dany's little group at the parlay was small because a) she does not want Cersei to know her actual numbers and b) because they all had to fit on Drogon to fly them over. When Tyrion mentioned Cersei's pregnancy and we kept going back and forth between him on the ground and Cersei and her people on the walls, I wasn't thinking Missandei should jump while dragging Cersei with her; I kept thinking Euron would realize Tyrion knowing about the pregnancy meant the baby couldn't be his (and was most likely Jaime's) and he'd unceremoniously shove her off the wall, to her death... I was hoping Missandei's "dracarys" would get Drogon's attention and he'd attack unexpectedly and kill them all in revenge for Missandei's death. I think that was it. More might come to me later. ETA: I don't think it's all that strange for Dany not to "mingle" with her subjects. One, because they're her subjects, like when have you ever seen Cersei or Robert mingle with the peasants? Two, the northerners pretty much hate her, or at least they did when she first arrived which was only a couple of days ago. Third, she grew up as the little sister of the "beggar king", on the streets until they were taken in by Illyrio (and possibly before that in the house with the red door and lemon tree) and then she was married off to a "savage". She went from adolescent to young woman among the Dothraki, that's when she came into her own and how she learned to participate in society. It's pretty amazing she's turned out as well as she has.
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    S08.E04: The Last of the Starks

    More importantly, Cersei wouldn't have wanted Joffrey to marry a girl who was strong-headed enough to oppose him. She hated Margaery because of the influence she had over Joffrey and later Tommen. By not telling the truth, Sansa proved she was a meek little bird and that's why Cersei was fine with them marrying. Actually, I thought his "moves" were pretty similar to how we have seen him and Cersei get together, which just kinda proved that he has no idea how to really be with anyone but his sister. I was so thinking this during the scene. Who goes into a meeting unprepared? Sansa is there with Dany and commanders of the armies, yet she thinks she's the one who knows what's best for their armies. It would have been very different if she'd said, "actually, I talked to the maesters and if we wait a few more weeks then even the severly wounded can rejoin you to march on KL, your Grace." I thought he was nervous, too. Not necessarily because of how much it may or may not mean to him, but because he's never been with anyone but Cersei and he's no longer the proud and handsome knight with two good hands he used to be. Now he's got a stump and despite how freaking cold that thing must get up north, he still wears it instead of wrapping it up warmly because then everyone can really see he no longer has his right hand. Pretty sure beheading a hostage during parlay is breaking the rules...
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    S08.E03: The Long Night

    You mean that wasn't the emergency exit?
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    S08.E03: The Long Night

    I doubt the common folk would even know who they are and that they ever joined the NW.
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    S08.E03: The Long Night

    Bran could probably tell him how beautiful or ugly his mother looked on the night Gendry was conceived...
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    S08.E03: The Long Night

    They did pretty much state that Edd, Sam and Jon were the only ones left. Now it's only Jon, who died and therefore is no longer bound by his vows & Sam who abandoned his training at the Citadel and has his own family (in Gilly and Lil' Sam). Not sure there's anything to disband.
  10. Efzee

    S08.E03: The Long Night

    Sansa should have said the Queen/Queen Danaerys (in case she'd be worried he thought her reference was to Cersei) since the KitN bent the knee to Dany. Instead, she used "dragon queen", which is the moniker Dany's enemies (including Cersei) use. Even if she'd simply said Danaerys it would have come across better than "dragon queen", although still lacking respect considering Jon accepted Dany as their queen.
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    S08.E03: The Long Night

    During the badly lit dragon chase/fight I kept thinking it was a good thing for Jon that the NK had Vyserion fire at Drogon/Dany rather than Rhaegal/Jon because at least Dany can withstand the heat (even if she would end up naked) - Jon would've been dracarysed to death if roles were reversed. Perhaps that's also one of the reasons it's said only those with "blood of the dragon" can ride dragons.
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    S08.E03: The Long Night

    I was wondering what had "earned" him a place in the crypts. Not having balls isn't an excuse to duck out of the fighting. He may not be a soldier, but neither were the northern farmers/refugees like the guy talking to Davos in the previous ep. Tyrion was sent there because Dany needs him as HotQ, but Varys hasn't really given much advice so far and certainly isn't someone she really relies on/needs. Yet. And not having balls also kinda disqualifies him for repopulation afterwards. I was already thinking to myself that the north could end up with a disproportionate number of dwarves in the future if Tyrion stayed up there... didn't see any other men, except for little boys. Not even elderly ones. What kind of admin do you think Sansa has been doing as Lady of Winterfell while Jon was recruiting Dany etc.? Genuine question. Because she did not have a clue about how much food they had, how much had been brought in by the northerners, how many mouths they could feed and so on. Granted, she was the one who caught the lack of leather for the new armor but if she'd been up to date on production numbers and the amounts of raw material they had etc. then she would have already known this without having to see it.
  13. Efzee

    S08.E03: The Long Night

    They certainly would have died, but I think that's the only part we can agree on 😉
  14. Efzee

    S08.E03: The Long Night

    And she didn't even execute him herself... Not to mention that TPTB cut the scene from that episode where Bran told Sansa and Arya that LF was playing them against each other and that's how they figured it out and decided he had to be executed. It wasn't even Sansa's alleged "smarts" who figured it out*. *Sidenote: I was also disappointed in Arya for falling for it. But she did kinda make up for that failure by killing the NK.
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    S08.E03: The Long Night

    I think I felt more sympathy for Drogon while all the undead were climbing on him and stabbing him, than when pretty much any of the main characters was attacked... 😓 Certainly cared more about him flying off to safety than Dolorous Edd dying. Except FLOTUS would be escorted into a safe room and guarded by armed security.
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    S08.E03: The Long Night

    Also, for all those hating on Bran/Sam and them surviving... clearly they needed to, so that Bran can dictate all the history books (and the Song of Ice and Fire) to Sam.
  17. Efzee

    S08.E03: The Long Night

    She did and that's great and all, but realistically all she did was walk around Winterfell pointing at things and asking questions of those with actual knowledge/experience ("shouldn't they add leather to the armor?", "how much food has been stored?" and "how long was the longest winter?" - paraphrasing) and telling others what to do. That doesn't take 24/7. Not even 8 hours a day. She should have included an hour or two of self defense classes with Brienne, if only to be able to defend herself and her people in the crypts if the wights/WW/NK broke through the door. Instead, they were sitting ducks. She didn't even pull out the dagger Arya gave her until it was almost too late. Not saying she should've been a GI Jane all of a sudden, but she's basically been claiming her spot as Lady of Winterfell (and even considered betraying/overthrowing Jon when he went to Dragonstone) and yet just hid while her people were being killed. Kinda hard to be the lady of anything if everyone else is dead. I'm not sure if it was told in the show, possibly early on by Old Nan, but in the books it was said that the NK (well, really "the Others") brings the cold. Not necessarily winter itself. And winter being over just because the NK is dead makes no sense either when all the adults/eldery were talking about how all the young ones have only seen spring, never winter early on. So, I think the NK brought the (cold) winds and icy/snowy storm during the battle, but that it'll still continue to snow now that he's dead. It will be a "normal" Westeros winter, not a long night that'll last years.
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    S08.E03: The Long Night

    I couldn't tell which dragon was which because everything was so dark (and it was still light out here) and assumed Drogon was the one who ripped off half of Viseryon's neck and then nothing for a while... I was worried Rhaegal had been killed too and for a moment thought it was him/her with the blue dragonfire (with Jon in the courtyard or wherever) until I realized the fire was also coming out of its neck, where V had been injured. My thinking was that if Rhaegal had been killed, we'd have seen two "ice" dragons because the NK raised all the dead and we didn't, so he/she must still be alive. I would have absolutely loved it if instead of taking off the necklace, Melissandre would have been standing there, realizing what had happened ("they" had won!) and that dawn was coming... her necklace falls off, she looks over her shoulder at Davos, gives him a small nod and walks off to die. Small difference, mostly the necklace falling off instead of her removing it, but the distinction would not be her "giving up" or whatever for fulfilling her destiny, but with her actions (firing up the arakhs and the trench) she burned up all her magic and did it knowingly. Same, on both accounts. Same. For a moment I was kinda hoping, especially when the NK was staring down at him. Then I was like, 'ah, I get it! Bran's sitting there so calmly because he's gonna warg into Theon (whose mind is still weak from his Reek period and thus easier to overtake than a regular person, similar to Hodor) and then kill the NK!', but that didn't happen either. Not that I don't love Arya's kill 🙂 Who knows, maybe those iron swords in the laps of the dead lords really do work 😉 And whose fault is that? We've seen her watching her little sister fight, we've seen pretty much every northerner training with weapons, Jon and the northern lords/ladies agreed everyone, including the women, had to fight... yet Sansa couldn't be bothered to pick up a weapon and get some training. She could have even asked Brienne for some private tutoring indoors if she felt embarrassed about it or whatever. I just don't get the total lack of survival instinct from her. I'm guessing Sansa was being her cocky self until she saw what the NK, WW and the army of the dead were capable of and realized that, yeah, maybe she should be in the crypts with all the helpless women, children, dwarf and eunuch.
  19. That is certainly implied. However, the NK being able to see the future like Bran (and having had thousands of years more practice) means it's entirely possible he was simply waiting for Dany and her dragons. If he'd let his army kill the group, then Dany could have seen it as soon as she approached and turned right around to fly her dragons back, preventing the NK from killing Viserion. Not being able to cross water just doesn't sound plausible to me. I don't expect them to be able to walk on water or swim through it, but I doubt it'd disable/kill them. Fire kills them, not a dunking or water spray. Being unable to swim and not needing to breathe means they could just walk over the bottom and climb out when the body of water is shallow. Or pile up onto each other and the others can walk over them, like they did when encountering the barriers on Hardhome. If they couldn't cross water, then how could they put chains on Viserion who was on the bottom of the body of water (ocean, sea, lake?)?
  20. Where does this theory about them not being able to cross water come from? The NK was clearly holding his undead back to gain time for Dany to come to the rescue so he could steal a dragon. The undead clearly went into the water, walked along the bottom to put the chains on the dragon and then the other undead pulled the dragon out of the water. The undead at the bottom of the sea were probably left there, because the NK has so many undead they're easily disposable. And at Hardhorne the NK wasn't interested in chasing Jon & co, but he probably could have his undead run after them through the water. Instead, he just stood there, holding Jon's gaze and turned all the dead into the undead to show Jon what he was capable of. Those are the only two examples I can think of where the undead (who only do what the NK/WW wants them to) were faced with water in the presence of one of the other characters to witness it. So, the characters might think they can't cross water because they haven't seen them do it, but that doesn't mean they can't. Also, the dragonfire (on the snow/ice) dissipated when the NK came near (or the cold he exudes extinguished it) so who's to say the NK can't freeze water and reach the islands/other continents that way?
  21. I felt that was a pretty weak reason. The NK could just kill everyone else in that case and Bran would eventually die, even if he wasn't a cripple who has to rely on others to take care of him. I really hope the NK has a better motivation than that, or at least the Other do in the books (if GRRM ever writes/publishes them). At this point though, I'd even take Bran mistakenly interpreting the reason as it being the memories of all mankind - and it's actually that among those memories is the way to kill/defeat the NK. I don't know if the showrunners are purposely going for racism, but I feel it's important to point out that both Brienne and Davos came with "Starks" - Brienne is Sansa's protector and Davos was a good advisor to Jon (and it's possible the northerners don't even know Davos isn't from the North, because didn't he come to WF via the Wall?). The same way Royce is probably accepted - for his men and loyalty to Sansa/the Vale's relation to the Starks via Catelyn's side of the family. Tyrion is a Lannister and, truthfully, kinda deserved getting spat on considering what his family has done to the Starks/North. Tyrion is also Dany's Hand - not just a supporter to the foreign Targ queen, but could also seen as a "turncoat" and kinslayer. Missandei and Grey Worm are both from Dany's inner circle and unlike those mentioned above, are not Westerosi (just like they think of Dany as foreign, despite being born in Westeros). They didn't take to Dany either but at least she's got two dragons to keep people on their toes around her...
  22. I believe it was clearer in the books, but Dany did expect to end up marrying her brother when she came of age. That's why being sold married off to Drogo was a bigger shock than an arranged marriage for a Westerosi; the Targaryans were all about intermarrying (not necessarily between siblings) to keep the "blood of the dragon" bloodline pure. And there is Viserys, just handing her over to a "savage" to get his throne. Loyalty in itself is a foreign concept to her. Sure, she's got her people now, but most of them only follow(ed) her because they saw her become the mother of dragons, be the unburnt and/or be the breaker of chains. That in itself is, of course, reason enough to believe she's the true queen/khaleesi or whatever, but now she's seeing these northerners have such a strong loyalty to each other and/or forgiving each other for some pretty heinous acts because they "go way back".
  23. I also wasn't sure how to interpret the looks/emotions between Theon and Sansa. We probably shouldn't forget they also grew up together and they all used to be good friends, her bond with him was probably tigher than with her bastard brother and two little brothers. Familial or possible romantic feelings - I don't really care either way and could see it resulting in either, assuming they both survive. Theon might be the only man she'd feel safe with because he's the one who saved her from Ramsey and he's got no cock, so not as big as a "threat" than other men. Plus, she seemed pretty cynical about men/love in her scene with Dany (and, really, who can blame her after Joffrey, Ramsey and LF), so he might feel like a safe choice. I found Jon's facial expression more telling than her reaction; felt to me like he was a little surprised she brought up the claim to the throne and not the fact that they're related. Of course, he probably doesn't know incest wouldn't be a shock to Dany since she always expected to (have to) marry her brother growing up. No one acknowledged Ghost! I wouldn't be surprised if the showrunners went back over the video of early season 8 to see if they could plop him in somewhere in post production after forgetting about him, meaning the whole scene was filmed without the actors being aware Ghost was around. I don't think it was too quickly. All his life he's been treated as the bastard of Winterfell/Ned Stark and he's always wanted to know more about his mother. I think we only saw him ask Ned that one time when they parted ways in season 1 (Jon going to the Wall and Ned going to KL), but IIRC he's asked several times in the books. And he never got a straight answer. He probably thought he'd never find out the truth after Ned was killed... And then he learns that not only was he born out of love, he was also given away by his mother out of love (so Robert wouldn't kill him) and raised by Ned out of love - he wasn't the result of a one-night stand between Ned and some wench while he was out fighting a war. And not only is he not a bastard, but he's actually the rightful heir to the Iron Throne. He probably feels like everything fell into place for him now that he knows the truth about his parentage and he's no longer a bastard (or the former KitN), but someone who was destined for greatness.
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    S08.E01: Winterfell

    Which is why referred to her other appearances. We were only shown her "council" on Bear Island, yet she consistently has made statements and even "crowned" the King in the North without checking in with them.
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    S08.E01: Winterfell

    There is absolutely no reason to have a council if you're not going to listen to them anyway. The reason Robert Baratheon had one was because he was too lazy to govern his own kingdom. He even said so himself. I don't recall seeing Lyanna Mormont's council anywhere at all when she was speaking for her people. Or when she was the first to name Jon king in the North. Think she asked her council their thoughts on it before she said it? PS. Jon has his advisors and he actually listens to them (and they never undermine him in public either). Oh, please, let's be honest. Sansa was being so-so about Jon returning and her having to give up her role as lady of winterfell. It wasn't until Arya called her out on it that she reluctantly, defended Jon (as little as possible though) to the lords. As for Lord Royce, he's free to leave at any time. Let him go and take his army back to the Vale. Will there be any food there? Don't think so unless Lysa's intellectually-challenged son (forgot his name) suddenly grew a brain. And even if there's food, what will he do? Align himself with Cersei? Yeah right. He'd be lucky to survive the trip back to the Vale and that's not even including the risk of the NK and his every-growing army (thanks to all the dead from the war of 5 kings) moving south and possibly intercepting them. If he's the luckiest man alive, he and some of his people, might survive the war or even the long night - assuming the Vale is left alone. Then what's to stop Dany from flying one of her dragons up to it and taking it for herself once all the fighting is over? For me it wasn't so much the hype as all the waiting. It just didn't feel worth it, to me. As for Cersei, I agree mostly with the quote below. She did seem reluctant to let him into her bed, as if she had to lower herself to do it. She'd have preferred to stay on her high horse, proven by telling him to get himself a whore... yet she gave in anyway. She needs his support and, most likely, him to assume paternity of her unborn child if she really is pregnant. Not sure if her comment about him intriguing her or whatever was genuine or if she was just searching for anything positive to say so he (and his fleet) wouldn't walk out on her. If only she'd had her elephants... Yes, couldn't agree more! To be fair to Sansa though, she was never raised to "use her words". As a highborn lady she was more likely taught to be seen, not heard. And in KL she learned to stay quiet lest she'd get beaten/tormented by Joffrey. She wasn't lying during LF's final scene though; she is a slow learner and she doesn't really seem all that open to developing her skills. Someone here compared her journey to the other Stark kids and what they didn't mention that they all went in search of a purpose, a way to better themselves (be that for revenge or survival) and Sansa just let people push her around until others took care of those who hurt/manipulated her. She didn't even off LF herself, Arya did it instead (I did love that scene, but would've appreciated it more if they'd stuck to Ned's "the one who passes the sentences, executes it as well"). The scene where Dany was talking to Sam was so well acted. You could tell the moment Dany and Jorah went "damn" as Sam they realized who he really was. Jorah looked full of sympathy as Sam heard the news about his family and Dany looked like maybe it was a turning point for her. At least, that's how I interpreted her body language & facial expressions during the scene. Like being confronted with the consequences of her actions made her possibly rethink some of her strategy against the living. Also, I thought it was very telling back when Dany returned from attacking the Lannister army and Jon didn't ask any questions after she said she had fewer enemies today than yesterday (paraphrasing). He didn't want to know. Or he possibly didn't care because his focus was on the north/NK. Pretty sure Sansa would've blamed her bastard brother for letting Rickon died if he'd just kept his horse standing there, watching impassively as Rickon ran to them for safety. As a matter of fact, Jon seems to care more for his "siblings" than Sansa does, even the full-blooded ones. This. I must have missed the part where Jon was telling everyone to refer to Dany as "Queen" or "Your Grace"? There were quite a few people bumbling about and he never said anything, nor did Dany for that matter. And let's not forget that it was Davos who corrected Dany about referring to Jon as a lord back when they first met. Jon couldn't have cared less what she called him, despite being king in the north. Seriously, winter is the big threat? Pretty sure it's all the dead people rising and killing everything in sight. What use will they have for food once all the living are (un)dead? There's no real purpose to think long-term (I do believe Sansa asked the new maester to look up how long the longest winter lasted for food-purposes) when the short-term is that you'll most likely die. Unite and stick together and some of you might actually survive. Then we can see about food. It's not going to be a war that lasts months, it'll be weeks at most. This. Considering a lot of Westerosi, including loads of northerners, died in the war of 5 kings, the Dothraki might still be more effective than the remaining northerners. I do worry about their horses surviving the harsh climate though... Anyway, even if the Dothraki turn out to be crippled by cold, they'll still make good cannon fodder against the wights. Someone's just gotta make sure to burn them before/when they die.
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