Kim0820

Is being able to keep a baby while in prison really a thing that can happen? Or just in GH-land. If Spencer was trying to get custody, then it was odd that he was not present at the legal proceedings to testify or just be there as a party to the action. GH legal procedure again. It might be more interesting if the baby was Spencer's. The natural drama might be better than the contrivance - why did show have Esme have sex with Nikolas rather then just get pregnant by Spencer.

Certainly show has gotten more diverse than when it started, when I'm pretty sure all the characters were white. I remember seeing it on casually after school in the 70s when the nurses still wore white caps and Steve Hardy and Jessie Brewer were there. I was in school and missed most of the Luke and Laura years, but watched a bit around the time Jackie Templeton was in it. Their idea of diversity then was an Aussie.

Yes, wasn't Diane representing Spencer? Then that is not the way you'd tell the client they didn't prevail in the court. Almost like they are trolling us to come up with another pregnancy. Oh well, I guess the two babies have been born now, and so we have to start up another. Can they think of nothing else? Esme going to jail might not even be enough in the real world to terminate parental rights, and so the name is her choice, though GH law may differ. It is better that Spencer is going to live with Laura and Charlotte. Laura's the one who the real DCS would be considering as caretaker. Luke did a lot of that - "Caroline" and "Natasha." Because he knew who they really were when everyone else didn't! Maybe a Temp Valentin is in order. It's gotten routine to do it and it might help.

I recall Helena as villain getting very repetitive. There was that time Stefan kept her prisoner in a bed (paralyzed her somehow) so she did pay sometimes. Jerry returned a lot and still could. I think the classic example was Todd. He went onto OLTL as a rapist, everyone liked RH and so they kept him. But they made efforts to redeem him and did a good job of it, to all accounts. They never meant him to be a romantic lead, though. Many regimes later they tried to put him in a romance with his rape victim and I recall the protest at that. They did this with Zander, too. And put the character in a romance with his kidnap victim to boot, having kept him because of their chemistry. At least it was not a rape. Then of course, they have always gotten away with the Luke/Laura rape. But it was back in the 70s. They couldn't get away with that today. Guza really sucked when it came to women - now it's women's history month, we can raise a glass to the idea he should never come back. That's why everyone is liking Sonny now as he is not written as the total misogynist he was when Guza wrote GH. Guze even tried to make it a soap from a man's POV. I recall reading something where one of his minions actually said that!

Your first sentence convinces that no way is it ever going to be done correctly in your eyes. But how many black characters should there be? 50%? If there are 15? that is better than society. And she is being treated preciously, so that means if it were the opposite that would be OK? I'm sure not, since the white supremacy is so institutional there is nothing they can do to make it right. And she does not have to represent all black people - what kind of thing are you saying there? Good grief, I hope Joss doesn't represent all white people. TV is well integrated, but you're acting like that is worse than not, since it only gives white supremacy another chance to show itself. All those black characters are there just to show even more white supremacy? There's no answer then. I'm not fond of the permanent victimization view either.

Joss had the new boyfriend only because Cam actor wanted fewer hours. And there's no contest, people are different. The Spencer and Trina romance makes her more into the romantic heroine than Joss. As to sex scenes, there certainly would be complaints that the black girl is being made into someone promiscuous whereas the white one is not if the stories were reversed. Unfairness would be claimed no matter what. I counted the black characters and they are slightly more than the proportion of the population. They have a lot of airtime. They aren't separated for that reason, but because show is going to the WTD well yet again, which is something they do regardless. Joss and Trina are best friends so there is no separation there. Molly is with TJ for years, granted they are back burners, but they are together for years and no character makes issues about it. All black characters are professionals and they don't want white characters to be racist, so the soap planet has an ideal equality going - the real world doesn't, but the soap planet is another world. Soap characters are always ready to pick up whatever job the writers want. Liz went to quick nursing school, Willow is making it through fast, Pip would have been a doctor fast. SLS can run a huge company right out of high school. Molly is finished with law school in her early twenties, when one who goes straight through is 25 by the time they are finished. I guess she passed the bar exam off screen with no issues. Same with Robert! Like Heather, who had a lot of offscreen time to have more babies. Who knows what else Robert did with his time, lol. This scene needed to be saved for when they knew he was the biological father - get the DNA test first, nitwits. Maybe it's a sign the writers responded to #keepTrinaTaggert's so this scene can only be relevant before the reveal.

My sister and I would be watching and my nephew would come in and see it and ask if Sonny had gotten his comeuppance yet. He must have seen enough to know that would be the natural story point.

Cue Sam's twin arriving in PC!

It is a miracle that Kevin has been on the show this long and no kids have popped up.

The stuff about the actor being fired makes me think that they were not going to write Nikolas off but then had to change course to write him off for a while. Naturally he had to "die," not just disappear for a time. These writers make it harder for themselves, or choose to make things more absurd, figuring that is more entertaining than something more realistic. It is a bit refreshing that there is no baby switch. Two pregnancies at the same time nearly always signaled that.

Sonny said the baby was in the NICU. Why would she have been there? She is a very healthy baby.

It would rock our worlds, though I 'm not sure about Soapland. You have many who have that in common with you. Though at that old an age, it would be worse than it was for Spencer, Maxie's oldest child, Bailey Lou and Michael, too young to be all that aware of it. Though Michael might have been old enough to realize and be affected. Then there is Charlotte, old enough to meet her mother for the first time and recall that. Then Jake, and Aiden, Wylie, Rocco, TJ (he could be the most sympathetic as wasn't he at least a teen when he found out?), Franco, and I think that was his mother, too. Cody. And Esme is about to find out, though I guess she at least knew her adoptive parents were adoptive. LOL.

And he's not telling them about it, which on show = lying. While he was mad at Jordan for not telling something having to do with her job. I don't remember what it was she kept from him, lol.

It's been good not to have the Carlys on - sometimes it seems like whoever appears in the credits is on that day, and I saw SLS in them. But not on! Good. Marcus of course is the real father here. I get where Portia was coming from. In that situation, there's nothing to say there was any way for her to know that Curtis would never abandon his child. Does Curtis even know for sure he'd have felt that way back then? He hasn't had any other kids in the past 20 years, too, so how interested could he have been in it? What did I just say? Very dumb. LOL other children of Curtis besides Trina may well pop up in PC in the future. He could even be withholding that information right now. Mac threatening Ryan that he would kill him made me wonder how many times he or others have killed Ryan before, LOL. Being an aunt, I would never get involved in a nephew or niece's life as much as Stella does. But then is that an anvil that she knows she is Curtis' mother?

I think leaving the paternity thing alone should be an option, given the baby is grown up and both men must have had some awareness and Taggart especially being OK with going on as is. Stella acting like that deprives Portia of that option. It's not really her business and it's not a lie like one of them is still married that could justify getting oneself involved. It's a soap, so it has to come out, though. It is one instance where both fathers are alive and on stage, so that could be interesting. I can't think of where it happened before - there was a time Carly had both mothers, but they killed Virginia off quickly. TJ's other father is dead so far.

Stella is just dumb. She should have just gone and officiated. Her not going raises a lot of red flags. Spencer's point was a general one, so it had nothing to do with intruding into the family matter. Trying not to tell Trina when it was obvious there was something to tell - just dumb.

It does seem overdone when Trina is raised. How is it going to make a difference? It's one of those things that should stay secret. It might be nice for Curtis, but for Trina it could be an extra burden, and for Marcus too.

I've watched a few Down-Under Soaps - Home and Away, Neighbors, Shortland Street. They are way way better at not killing characters. They go off to the US or Japan to study. They get mentioned later. And few of them ever come back, even. The US ones know they will want them back and then have to bring them back from the dead. So silly. Loved V, one of the many characters they wasted for stupid reasons.

And Willow is so forgiving. She forgave Carly right away. And maybe Harmony. But not Nina. And then she deprives Wylie of the grandmother he loves. Not much can be worse than that in real Family Court. The judge might have held that Nina could not have visitation because parental rights are strongly favored, but generally would have given the parents a lecture on how bad this is for a child. It's not in the child's best interests. It's strange how show manages to make her unsympathetic, no matter how much they pile onto Willow. Merely making someone a sufferer doesn't do it, strangely enough. I think I recall a true life case of this. A couple having a child because the child could donate something. The ethics of this were discussed.

Wylie may not remember but he could be affected by loss of his mother, his two dads and then the mother he remembers. Show probably wanted to make her look like a nice, caring person who was sad for other people. Overprotective of Wiley and then doing one of the worst things people can do to a kid, by telling the kid that someone he loves is a bad person. Cutting Wiley off from Nina because of Nina's actions regarding other people is alienation that is roundly condemned now. We're supposed to hand wave it due to Willow's cancer and nightmare. As someone who has a family member whose every bad action is hand waved due to an unfortunate health issue (not cancer), I know the damage this can do. At first Cam being in denial seemed dumb - you've got to tell Mom you and your girlfriend are broken up, dummy. Glad he finally did. And Elizabeth's experience and relating to him was good. I just hope as some of the posters have said, that they don't make Cam the bad guy when he finds out about Dex. Imagine being her friend - why would everyone want to be friends with someone who has constant drama and the friendship is all about her?

I still don't understand why Liz claimed she was pregnant by Nikolas. Maybe to explain that he has a child and Esme is gone and no one knew she was ever pregnant? Was Liz going to use the pillow? Why do all that for Nikolas? Then why the miscarriage? There are always two pregnancies so of course there is yet another switch. At least the Bailey Lou story involved no tock but a pillow pregnancy. And the "mothers" cooperated on it rather than having it secret from them. It was the fathers who got screwed over, but one of them being Peter, no one cares. They do go to that well too often. It's like the writers can't think of anything new, or are told any ideas they have won't work, or it is written by a computer formula or a roomful of monkeys.

I remember; it was a summer job for a few years. She and the character were at college all year and she was back each summer to play Robin's summer in PC.

The songs are always dumb, but I guess that is cheaper than buying good songs. One sort of has to pretend along with them. They have done too many rounds of Joss and Dex. It feels like the story should move on, with Cam finding out. Soap law requires that Cam find out first - that's why she is putting off the breakup. It would be great if Cam were more relieved than angry.

IMO the writers should come up with their own story rather than letting online be an influence. It's a highly self selected minority of people. No wonder the writing sucks and the ratings have gone down. Someone's always going to kvetch online about something and the audience that does not go online is likely to be bigger.

Cassidines supposedly never give up, but Spencer assumes Trina is into Rory with no evidence at all. They've overplayed the Spencer-likes-Trina-but-won't- tell-her for too long. I thought they were going for a baby switch, which happens when two characters are pregnant at once. Putting Liz in there - I suppose Liz and Nik will then claim to be the parents of Esme's baby.