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Watching this episode is going to be my new annual Thanksgiving tradition. I loved every single second of it! The A plot was funny, relatable and kind of touching. The B plot was a lot of fun as well. I love the surprise twist that Kevin turned out to be the one to throw out the pie. Holt’s interrogations of Rosa, Charles and Terry were priceless. This is already my favorite B99 season ever, and this is destined to be one of my all-time favorite episodes :)

My love for this season seems to grow with every single episode—-especially because they’re so blessedly devoid of Gina :)

This season is probably my favorite so far, and part of it is because Gina's absence has definitely been addition by subtraction for me. The show is just so much better without her mean-spirited arrogance and the writers' compulsion to twist every week's storyline in a way that always gives Gina a "win" even when she richly deserves to lose. I loved this episode even more than the HalloVeen one. I agree with whoever said the Halloween ones are a little overstuffed and overdone for me. I almost always end up preferring these type of episodes, with the characters broken into three separate but sometimes thematically linked plotlines so that everyone has a chance to shine and so that we get more variety in that week's plots. I would've thought the Buttlympics story would be unbearably dumb, but it worked for me. I love how it ended up giving Rosa more appreciation for the little pleasures in life that she was missing out on and more respect for Hitchcock and Scully. It was fun to see Amy and Charles paired off for scenes that had absolutely nothing to do with Jake. I love when we see how Amy, as ruthlessly practical and responsible as she is, ultimately cares more about her friends being happy. The A plot was the best, the right blend of humor and a little more heft. I loved Jakes' incredulous reactions to Terry's stories about succumbing to his food addiction. This show always jolts me out of my bad mood more effectively than any other!

Excellent question! I'd rather see Rory and Jess at Stars Hollow High. It would be interesting to see Rory trying to reconnect with people from her former school. Would it make Rory wonder how the past few years would have been different if she'd stayed there? Would they feel she's changed at Chilton in ways that she wouldn't have otherwise? Would some of her former classmates resent her for going to a posh school or are they all part of the Rory Gilmore Fan Club that all Stars Hollow adults seemed required to join? Do we see that Jess has a friend or two there we didn't know about? My one request would be that they don't run into Dean/Lindsay. The one thing Season 3 didn't need was another ridiculous Jess vs Dean showdown! You're allowed to change the AYITL stories and characterization for just one of the Gilmore girls. Would you rather change - and hopefully improve - Lorelai's or Rory's?

I will be rewatching it when the DVDs are released later this month! I'd love to discuss it if people here are up for that since I missed most of the conversation when it first aired, but you all should be warned that I am the one person in the world who actually liked it a lot, so my posts will have you all shaking your heads and wondering whether I've consumed too much of Miss Patty's punch. Does anyone know if the DVDs will have any extras? I already preordered them anyway, but if they have anything other than just the four episodes, I'll feel less guilty about spending the money. Even I will happily skip some parts of AYITL, though, like where they mock overweight people at the pool and think it's hilarious that Rory treats Paul like complete dirt. Be better than that, ASP. The holidays tend to be a bleak time of year for me, so if anyone else is in the mood to rewatch then - even if it's just to make fun of it - please count me in!

I'll take Lane with Gil! I liked Gil a lot. More than Zach, in fact :) So do I, fellow GG fan. Clue's incomparable Mrs. White captures the intensity of my loathing for him: My question is would you all rather have seen Rory become an English Lit. teacher or an editor and fact checker for a publishing house?

I was wondering how, if at all, the revival affected the way people view this couple. Do you like them less than you used to? More than you used to? You like or love them equally in the original series and the revival? You dislike them in both the original series and the revival?

I’m starting to wish most of the series had consisted of Prue and Paige uniting as the Power of Two!

And it's not just that she spends every episode of eight seasons of a show that's about being a witch bitching and whining about how much she hates being a witch. She hates EVERYTHING. She is always finding fault with and sniping at Leo, her sisters, her job, everything that is and isn't done around the house. It may make her relatable for some, and I usually appreciate some good snark, but just watching her makes me want to icrease my antidepressant dosage. We're supposed to think she's the kind and nurturing one, but she actually never has any shred of patience for anyone's issues except her own. I agree with the people who said that Holly Marie Combs delivers her lines with more bitterness than the script sometimes calls for and has a permanent case of lemon-sucking "bitchface." It doesn't just start in later seasons, either - she's always this way, even though I'll agree it probably got worse later on. There's one small scene in Season 7 that sums her up for me. In a desperate attempt to make his wife happy or at least to stop yelling and complaining for five seconds (good luck with THAT one), Leo cleans up the whole attic for her. We all know how much Piper hates messes, so this thoughtful gesture should be well received, correct? He excitedly takes her up there and reveals the surprise. And she, predictably, reacts with displeasure and annoyance. HUH?! Hapless Leo plaintively sputters something about how she's always complaining about the attic being a mess, so he thought she'd be happy that he tired to organize it and clean it up. Nope! She didn't like it messy, but it turns out she doesn't like it clean either. She doesn't appreciate when Leo tries to help but gets annoyed when he doesn't. He and both of her sisters frustrate the heck out of her 24/7 no matter what they do or don't do. She's refuses to be even minimally satisfied with any facet of life, and remains strangely determined to act angry, discontent and bitterly miserable no matter what anyone does. On Tumblr, I keep reading about how Prue was uptight, critical, joyless and angry. Some of that might be true, but in my view it's so much more true of Piper than it is of Prue. Prue was much more likable and easier for me to respect and admire than Piper. I know that's a very unpopular opinion, but that's why the forum Gods gave us this thread :)

THIS! It's making the series painful for me to rewatch. And based on the type of characters I normally love, I should love Piper. I WANT to love Piper. But she's such a nasty, bitter, self-pitying whiner and a thoroughly unpleasant person.

I just wrote "because this show cures my depression" before I realized how flippant and insensitive that might sound. I fully realize depression is a serious illness that requires treatment beyond what a TV show can offer! But I can honestly say that this show has played a major role in alleviating my depression and keeping it at bay. It diverts me from the real world but also reminds me that the real world might not be so bad after all, not as long as we have books to read, movies to watch and mock, coffee to drink, and can daydream of towns that celebrate every aspect of life with crazy festivals and appreciate people for all of their oddities and quirks. As you all have quoted, it's not JUST a show. It's a lifestyle!

I don't know how recetly these were posted, but I found a few really well-written Rory/Logan fics and figured I'd share them in case anyone else here loves them too! https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12340464/1/Inside-the-Monkey-Habitat https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12699415/1/A-Real-Yes https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8059690/1/Meant-to-be

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I've watched this whole series in a relatively short period of time and am giddy about finally being able to come over here to talk about it! I feel like I need to preface this post with an apology, because I have some opinions that seem unpopular even in the unpopular opinions thread. I really don't mean to offend anyone and am just excited to find other Gilmore Girls lovers no matter what your specific opinions are. The most outrageously unpopular is that I loved the revival. I really loved it, even when compared to the more golden era of the series. Once the DVDs are released, I have a feeling it'll be one of my most frequently rewatched seasons of the show. I didn't mind how messed up the characters were, because to some degree they always were, and the revival finally seemed to face it and embrace it rather than shying away from the deeper, darker aspects of their characters. I still love all three Gilmore Girls anyway. I may love them even more after the later seasons and revival, because they feel more complex and real to me now than they used to. I actually felt for Rory more in the revival than I had for several seasons. Mortifying confession: in some ways, I am Rory, with similar attributes and alarmingly similar failings as well. I even share her love for Logan. I think Alexis Bledel did a terrific job showing how fragile and lost the character was before finally starting to get it together. And wait, there's more! I was always relatively neutral on Luke and Lorelai's relationship as a general rule, but their wedding scene in the revival was one of the most moving moments of the series to me. I bought how terrible they are at communicating, with neither of them wanting to risk losing each other again by possibly saying something that will anger and hurt each other and both being such obstinate, independent people who weren't used to sharing their lives with another person. I enjoyed Lorelai doing the wilderness program, and I think the fact that it seemed so out of character for her was the whole point. The Gilmores were lost and trying to redefine themselves. I am also the one human being who didn't hate the musical and found a few parts of it funny, but it may be that as a Sutton Foster fan I was predisposed to view those scenes as better than they actually were. I came into the revival a moderate Logan/Rory fan who enjoyed their relationship during the series but was glad it ended in Season 7, but I left the revival a huge Rory/Logan fan, the kind who wants to read and write angsty and fluffy fanfic about them and squeals (loudly) with my best friend's daughter upon learning that she too is a Rory/Logan supporter. For the record, she's 14, and I'm in my mid-40s. And she's more mature! Like a couple of other people clarified, it's not that I condone their choices in AYITL or even that I would think too highly of either of these characters if they existed in reality. But they're fictional, which I've decided means I can feel less guilty about loving them as much as I do. The revival, more than possibly any other part of the series, convinced me that they really do love each other and have a deeper connection than I'd realized. ASP wasn't intending for us to want them together even after the sordid arrangement of the revival, but they touched my soul. I must have a very strange soul! I enjoy Jess, but more as Luke's nephew than as Rory's love interest. Even if there are more episodes, I don't want to see him as the equivalent of Rory's Luke or sit there pining in hopes that Rory deigns to one day give him a chance This actually doesn't have much to do with loving Rory and Logan. I just honestly didn't see Rory as having any romantic interest in Jess in the revival or even in later seasons of the show. (This is different from the Luke/Lorelai setup: earlier seasons of Gilmore Girls showed that a part of Lorelai was always interested in Luke even before she allowed herself to acknowledge it and act on it). Rory rejected Jess's invitation to run away with him in S4, she visited him in S6 only to get back at Logan and then stopped kissing Jess after immediately realizing she was still deeply in love with Logan, and the revival made it seem as if Rory and Jess had been only casually in touch over the years. Their revival scenes read as completely platonic to me. At this point, there just feels like such a lack of balance, with Rory not showing any romantic interested in him for so many years now that I really just want to see Jess move forward with a different person. I don't even see Rory and Jess as sharing anything in common anymore other than both loving books. Almost all of the critiques of this show are valid, but I love GG anyway. Maybe I'm still basking in the glow of having finally discovered it over the past year, but if I had to pick just one show to watch for the rest of my life, I think Gilmore Girls would be the one. I love almost every character and all the seasons. I feel like I had even more to share, but I've already probably made the most unpopular confessions ever, so I'll give you all a break and stop talking for the time being!