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  1. Ziggy

    S06.E02: Red Sun Rising

    Thank you! Could they not have at least radioed the mother ship (after the left the atmosphere) and asked them what was going on or introduced themselves or something? Must characters always capture/kill first and talk later?
  2. As others have said, you shouldn't be lost. You'd miss some of the details and probably a few fun or sweet moments. But honestly, there is just so much detail in the books that that happens to me anyway 🙂 Another option is to get the audio books. Davina Porter does an AMAZING job reading the books.
  3. It seems to me they did spend more time discussing this in the book. Maybe they didn't want to spend too much time on it in the show. I remember Claire being very urgent at first. "Bree, you have to go back NOW!" And I remember thinking, "Um, she literally just arrived on the Ridge!" But I didn't realize that Claire was concerned that a baby might not make it through the stones. (Probably just one of the many, many, many details I missed while reading the first time.)
  4. I agree with so much of what you said. I think why Roger didn't immediately go to River Run with Jamie and Claire is one of the things that most fans misunderstood, and that drives me bonkers! So many people have criticized Roger for taking so long to decide and ask why he could ride along side Jamie and Claire while he thought about things. I think most people are forgetting that Roger isn't trying to decide whether or not he can still love Bree or raise a child that isn't his. He's wondering if he can accept living in the 18th century indefinitely and possible forever. River Run is in one direction, and the stones that Roger found are in a completely different direction. If Roger starts traveling with Jamie and Claire, he'll be going away from the stones. While Jamie was being a bit of a baby/bully when speaking to Roger, he wasn't entirely wrong (and Claire said it better). If Roger isn't prepared to be a husband to Bree and a father to Jemmy and live in the 18th Century, it's better that he go now rather than get Bree's hopes up by going to River Run, only to break her heart again and leave. They made it clear that Roger needs to not come to River Run unless he had decided to stay. If he isn't ready to turn his back on the stones (possibly forever), he needs to wait until he is. I do disagree that Roger is responsible for the 2 deaths. That situation was already in motion, and I don't think Roger did anything to influence the outcome. Maybe by fueling the fire the girlfriend found it easier to join the priest on the fire, but I suspect she would have done that at some point. If I remember correctly from the book (and it's been awhile), Roger had nothing to do with that story other than be an ear for the priest while he was in the hut.
  5. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    When I read your post, my first thought in hearing that line was that Roger was so mad about everything that happened to him that he just wanted to leave the 18th century behind despite the fact that that also meant leaving Bree behind. He's not fool, because he knows that leaving her behind would be a huge mistake. I could be totally wrong. That was just my first thought.
  6. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    Not really “down the line.” Duncan and Jocasta planned to marry at the gathering that the Frasers are traveling to at the end of Drums.
  7. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    If you watch Outlander on demand, at the end of every episode is a short segment called "Inside the World of Outlander," where Maril Davis, Toni Graphia and Matthew B. Roberts discuss the episode. In this week's segment, Maril said that this "will come out of nowhere for people because in the books Murtagh is dead." I realize the writers are too busy to read message boards, but I just found that to be very much out of touch. There have been many, many speculations that those two characters would get together.
  8. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    To be fair, I don't think Diana developed their romance in the books. Maybe that's why it doesn't bother me in the tv show. I think the writers could have chosen to add to the Roger/Bree story and flesh out the romance a little, but they chose to stick with the book. I think another reason it doesn't bother me is that their romance is so much more normal than Jamie and Claire's. Bree and Roger (aside from the time travel) go through the things that most couple go through. Their romance is very relatable. Jamie and Claire's romance is pure fantasy.
  9. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    Did they not realize that many book fans have been speculating ever since the "save Murtagh" campaign began?
  10. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    For the record, I care. And I don't think I'm alone in that. You are definitely not alone.
  11. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    I guess I'm ok with Brianna realizing over time just how much she loves Roger and how much he's done for her and suffered because of her and for those emotions to be something she's trying desperately not to feel. She kept hoping Jamie and Claire would find him, but was afraid to hope. Jamie and Claire finally returned, but they returned without him. Now she needs to be strong and accept her reality, so she's working even harder to not think about him and not feel. Then she sees him, and all those feelings just come rushing to the surface. I don't know, I guess a part of me would have been disappointed if she didn't have that big rush of emotions.
  12. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    I thought that was kind of the point. At the beginning of the season Brianna wasn't sure of her feelings for Roger. He followed her back to the 18th Century, and she realized just how much he had done for her and how much he loved her, and that was a turning point for her. She is soon raped, finds her father and has time at the Ridge to think about things and realize how much she does love him. All this time she thinks he left her and returned to the 20th century only to find that her own father had beaten him to within and inch of his life and her cousin sold him into slavery. And still, he returned to her. How much more deserved could her feelings possibly be? They've both been through hell and back (and have more hell yet to come). But they are finally together and both want the same thing. I don't care how "cliche" her running to him was. I thought it spoke volumes about her feelings for him.
  13. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    I'm very curious what you mean by that. I don't know what you felt needed to be earned or by whom.
  14. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    She should have :-) Her face certainly said it!
  15. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    His name is Murtagh FitzGibbons Fraser, but he's been going by the name Murtagh FitzGibbons. Just like James Alexander Malcolm MacKenzie Fraser usually goes by Jamie Fraser, he did live under the name Alexander Malcolm wen he was a printer and actually went by various names in the book ... usually because he was wanted or doing something illegal.
  16. Ziggy

    S04.E13: Man of Worth

    That was incredible!!! It was so hard to watch the goodbyes with Ian, but wow! The pride on Ian's face when he realizes he made it through the Gauntlet!!! Priceless! Murtagh and Jocasta :-) (Can't believe the writers thought no one would see that coming.) Brianna seeing Roger and running out to him absolutely brought me to tears. That does not happen often, but they had me almost sobbing. Their love story was told so differently from Jamie and Claire's. Roger was clearing attracted to Brianna from the moment he first saw her, and he was pretty clearly falling for her. Brianna was definitely attracted to him, and she did seem to love him. But man did she sell it in this scene!!! I went into this episode expecting to pleased with the season finale. So far, I've been very happy with how they tied everything together ... even when the penultimate episode leaves me thinking, "How the heck are they going to be able to fit everything into the last episode." But, wow, they really blew me away with this one! Amazing finale!!!
  17. Ziggy

    S04.E12: Providence

    I skimmed the "torture-porn" (totally agree with you on that) part of the first book. I started reading Outlander after watching the first episode and managed to stay just ahead of the show. But I skimmed the parts at Wentworth, and I refuse to watch those scenes in the last two episodes. I'm not quite sure what made me keep reading the other books, but I'm glad I did. So far there hasn't been anything as bad as that part. I'm really enjoying Season 4. I'm really excited to see the season finale and see how they tie it all together. But I'm not looking forward to droughtlander.
  18. I was hoping for the Big House!
  19. Ziggy

    S04.E12: Providence

    Right?!? I'm assuming that there was a "guard" posted in front of the hut who would notice if Roger tried that, but still!
  20. Ziggy

    S04.E12: Providence

    I agree that there are often lots of complaints. I know I complained a bit this episode, and I honestly felt bad about it. I think a bit of it is just human nature. We have this weird tendency to notice the negative. But, it does kind of take away from the awe. Every episode I am amazed that these books have been brought to life! I do catch myself getting a little too wrapped up in the negative, but I still love coming here are reading things. People notice so many details that I don't see, and it really enriches my experience!
  21. Ziggy

    S04.E12: Providence

    That's true, but the episode was about 3/4 through by the time I realized it. So while I did miss them, I still really enjoyed the episode. I thought it was an excellent episode! I know earlier I complained that I didn't think they'd be able to finish the book, but I think I had similar feelings about Season 3. Honestly, I don't have complaints about the pacing, I just wish they had more than 13 episodes to tell the story.
  22. Ziggy

    S04.E12: Providence

    Why did Lord John recognize Fergus? Didn't they meet just the one time, in Jamaica? I think I need to just accept this as a Gabaldonian coincidence, because I do not believe he would ever remember Fergus under real world circumstances.
  23. Ziggy

    S04.E12: Providence

    I'm very curious to see what they do next week. They can't possibly finish the book ... can they? It's been awhile since I read Drums, but I do remember that the Fiery Cross starts with that (infamous) Gathering, so I have a fairly good idea of how much they have not covered this season. I'm pretty sure that was in the Fiery Cross.
  24. Ziggy

    S04.E11: If Not For Hope

    John Bell (Young Ian) was in the second two Hobbit movies, but he didn't play a Hobbit. Wonder if he ever had a scene with his "Uncle Dougal." :-)
  25. Ziggy

    S04.E11: If Not For Hope

    It's worse in the book!
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