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Zoey seems to be developmentally delayed, right? Her reactions and responses to things seem to me more like a 4/5 year old rather than a 7 (almost 8) year old. My daughter is just a couple months older than Zoey and when I watch the show I really see the difference. Do you think its from spending her first two years in an orphanage and not getting the attention/nutrition to properly develop? How long would that affect a child?

I remember looking at Meghan's website when the show first came out and I thought the prices were too much for the product. I think if it wasn't for the show, she definitely would not be getting all these opportunities. Lets be honest, Sanrio sees some good PR in partnering with her, not because its a great product. BTW, I was just in California and we stayed right by the Sanrio offices - LOL! It was fun seeing it on TV. I wasn't surprised that Meghan panicked when her mom left. She talks a lot about being independent and her mom being clingy but she is not independent at all. I remember on the cruise ship Kris said she shaved Meghan's legs for her. Does Kris have any communication with her parents? I recall she said she left home at 18 or so and it looks like its just her and Meghan. According to Kris, Meghan's dad is not involved and she doesn't know her half siblings. I wonder how true that is. Kris strikes me as someone who can bend the truth to suit her story. He did come on the show for an episode in season 2 I think probably to try and portray a different image. I feel bad for talking s**t about Kris and Meghan but the diva behavior really irks me. I love Rachel and her mom! They are both awesome. What happened to the guy Rachel started dating at the end of last season? I saw some pics of him on her Facebook page but there has been no mention of him at all this season.

I've seen the Monica and David documentary multiple times and I don't recall anything being mentioned about it not being a legal wedding. Where did you hear that?

That finale was one of the worst things I have ever seen. They spent a season and a half on Jessie and Deacon so they can not end up together. And Gunnar and Scarlet aren’t together which was canon from the first episode. Although Scarlett was insufferable at the end. Maddie - who cares? Previous episode she is making out with Twig because she’s so happy and next episode she’s over it. I’m glad Avery and Juliette got back together although that cult storyline was awful. I know she had contract stipulations but that is the best they could do. I hate that they turned Juliet into a farmer. Part of her appeal was her over-the-top fabulousness. It would’ve been nice to see her mature as a character but stay in the music industry. And Brad? So many new characters that were totally unnecessary. Although I didn’t mind Alanna. I think she was meant to take Juliet’s place because despite what the writers say they were expecting the show to go longer. Will had no storyline for two years. I had high hopes when the show got new show runners and moved to CMT. I enjoyed the first half of season five. I felt like it was getting back to its roots and focusing on music more. But it just turned into a total crap fest. Music wasn’t even really that much a part of it anymore. It’s like they had different writers for each episode that had no idea what happened in the previous episode with story lines going all over the place. Remember The big deal about Rachel Bilson joining the cast and she was in the couple episodes and did nothing. Teddy - They specifically stated Teddy would be out in three months at Rayna’s funeral. A year later and nothing. It’s lack of continuity and bad writing. I think they just did that to make Teddy the bad guy who wanted to take the girls away from Deacon when he got out. I think the show had a tendency to make any of Rayna’s live interests who weren’t Deacon bad guys. And if you hadn’t watched the first four seasons you would honestly think Daphne was deacons biological daughter. She’s Teddy’s who also raised Maddie as his own. I’m re-watching the first episode and wow how things changed. Scarlet actually used to talk in a semi-normal voice. LOL. And a couple of great songs in that first episode alone. Miss those days. With all that being said, I will miss the show.

I'm going to keep watching the show. I didn't really miss Jack when he was gone and I found his relationship with Elizabeth to be beyond cheesy. Elizabeth was also way too damsel in distress around him. I prefer the characters such as Rosemary, Lee, Henry and Abigail anyway. I think it will be interesting to see her be a single mom and what new love interests may come around. However, if the show ends with season 6 I would suspect that Jack makes a miraculous return from the dead so he and Elizabeth get their happy ending. Like Lori said, if people stop watching and the show gets cancelled, a lot of people will lose their jobs. It's not their fault Daniel wanted to leave.

Exactly what I was thinking. Don't actors usually sign 7 year contracts? I read an article today where Lori stated it was his choice to leave and they wish him well. But what is he leaving for? He has nothing going on on his IMDB page. Also, he probably could have done other work while still being on the show. Its only 10 episodes and the other actors have more than one gig. Maybe he thought Hallmark was holding him back because he is a serious actor :) Its just strange because this has been going on for 2 seasons and you would think if he left because he wanted to pursue other things, some of those things would have come to light by now. Anyway, he'll probably be back from the dead when he realizes he should have left his current gig without having a new one. Or he'll be back for the last few episodes. Mistaken identity!

I only started reading/posting here quite recently. All I read was a simple comment about the kids being in diapers longer than average. I didn't realize there was a whole "diapergate" situation.

The first episode was with the family in Florida and fleeing the hurricane. Then the next episode starts with 18 months earlier. We haven't seen much of Judy and Dave because they moved to Florida and Bill and Jen are still in Houston.

I'm not asking for personal potty training footage but since someone on another thread mentioned they were in diapers for along time I was just wondering. I don't assume Kate would move to Florida with the family but we haven't seen her for awhile and these episodes that are currently airing are before the move.

And what happened to Kate?

So I have some questions and I just thought it would be best to start a new thread: When did the kids stop calling Bill Baba? Someone mentioned that the kids took a lot longer to potty train than most children do. I don't think we ever saw this on the show. When were they potty trained? How big (or small) is Zoey? Its just hard to tell because Bill and Jen are little people. When they got her she seemed to be like the size of a 3 month old. And when I watch episodes now she looks to be smaller than my 7 month old son (granted he is about the size of a one year old). We got to see Will acclimate to his new home after his adoption but not Zoey - understandably with everything that was going on. Bill and Jen haven't offered much detail but I'm curious to know how those first couple of weeks went. I did skim their book but they didn't really talk about it much. Anyone know of anything? Not so much a question but more of a observation - we really don't know much about their lives. I was surprised when they mentioned Zoey getting ear tubes. They showed us that with Will but not her. Also, I didn't know she was in speech therapy. They seem to show more with Will than Zoey. Maybe because she had a hard time with stuff and the cameras made it worse? If anyone else has questions, post here!

This might be mean - but I thought Zoey was so cute when she started crying and put her little hands over her eyes.

First, I am the only one who is sad that they left their beautiful Houston home? I think I got more attached to it through the episodes than they did. Lol. I love this family and love watching the show. I do think the kids don't have much discipline and that the way Bill and Jen respond is not because of the cameras. If Will and Zoe were disciplined more off camera, I feel like that would translate to on camera regardless of what Bill and Jen say because they would know their parents are serious. I think they are scared to upset them, especially Zoe, and the kids (especially Zoe) take advantage of that. Did anyone else find it strange when Bill's stepmom was holding Will and he was kind of mumbling and sucking his thumb? I know he was tired but that just seemed very behind (for lack of a better word) for a 7 year old.

Pope didn't contradict Cath when she said that so yeah, I think we're supposed to take it at face value. Baz has no interest in Lena because he is a POS father, and person. I thought that was a code name for Baz - LOL. Langston could be a first name as well so maybe Baz's dad is Langston Blackwell.

Pope is not Lena's father. Last season, Cath specifically stated that her and Pope only had sex once and it was because she and Baz had fought and she was stressed out from having a new baby - that baby being Lena. Pope, oddly enough, seems to be the only brother with the capacity for caring about someone else. I did think Pope was going to try and run off with Lena and Baz wouldn't even notice. Lena would sadly be better off with the man who murdered her mother than her father. I thought the same thing. The look on his face was like "b***h, who you trying to play?" J is probably the smartest one and will screw them all over. As Lena's ( most likely) half brother, I hope he gets custody of her. I think Lucy is going to screw Baz over, maybe in retaliation for being the other woman for years. The only reason Baz is with her now is because Cath is dead - she doesn't seem stupid enough not to realize that. And for money, of course. J is loyal to himself, as he should be.

I wasn't aware of the showrunners wanting to diversify the music and if so, I am personally disappointed because country music is my favorite genre and that is why I started watching the show. In fact, the things that I enjoyed most were the music and insight into the industry. We'll see what season 6 brings and I'll keep watching maybe out of habit. I would just like storylines to be more fleshed out. As I said before, Daphne was depressed for all of 2 episodes. Then her homeless friend ended up in foster care or something after she told Daphne and Maddie to leave her alone. Characters just tend to disappear on this show. I also don't like how the writers are rewriting history. Yes, you are taking over the show but you can't change what happened. Gunnar never mistreated Scarlett and Teddy did exist and raise Maddie and Daphne.

Scarlett: "I hope one day you can search your soul without someone else's help" or whatever she said. Me: "STFU Scarlett". The smirk she had on her face when she said that - if I could have reached through the screen and slapped her I would have. This is supposed to be a show about country music so how about having the singers sing country songs? Maddie's stupid song is stuck in my head and I can't get it out. HELP!!! The t-t-t-t-take me away is so annoying! And Glenn is right - Juliette made her song a hit. I don't think Maddie is capable of singing an upbeat song. I liked Alyssa calling Deacon out on his fantasy world. She's right - the entertainment business is cut throat and sometimes you have to do things you don't like. He cut ties with the only person keeping Highway 65 afloat to protect his daughters feelings and put everyone else's livelihood on the line. Then he gets mad at Juliette and is going to kick his most valuable asset off the label. Juliette is the only one who seems to understand how the business works and that is probably why she is so successful. Someone like Scarlett would have been sent packing back to Alabama long ago. I thought we were going to see Daphne have some issues adjusting to life with Deacon and Maddie after Rayna's death since she feels like the "outsider" - that would be a realistic storyline. But instead Deacon is now "Dad". Is she changing her last name to Claybourne too? BTW - is Jaymes Maddie's stage name or is she still a Conrad? Or Claybourne? I miss Will. I had high hopes for the new writers and while this season is a major improvement over season 4, it has greatly disappointed me.

My biggest gripe - the whole rivalry between Rayna and Juliette which was supposed to be the basis of the show barely lasted a season!

I've watched Nashville since the beginning. I'm a big country music fan so I was excited about the show. But essentially, I think they crammed 4 seasons worth of storylines into 1. I was rewatching some episodes from season 1 the other day and Scarlett and Gunnar already had a publishing deal by episode 4! In the first season alone, all the newbies broke into the business, Rayna split with Teddy and then got with Liam and then Deacon, Scarlett and Avery broke up and she then proceeded to date Gunnar who proposed, etc. They should have really fleshed out these storylines. Avery, Scarlett, Will, and Gunnar should have struggled to make it. I think that would have been more interesting and realistic. I would have like to have seen more of Rayna and Teddy's marriage in the good times as well as drunk Deacon. I just think it would have made for more interesting and multi dimensional characters. I think that is why we get these recycled storylines - they did everything the first two seasons! They also tend to make characters either all good or all bad - i.e. Deacon good, Zack bad, Rayna good, Tandy bad. And now the writers this season are rewriting history with Gunnar/Scarlet and others. I do miss the focus on the music from the 1st couple of seasons. I remember watching and thinking "oh, that's interesting" and learning things about the music industry that I didn't know. Like getting major stores to give you shelf space for you CD's and 360 deals. The songs were really good and I saw the tour a couple of times. I've also been to Nashville and it was nice to see all the filming locations. From season 4 on, music took a backseat and it's almost like make this about another music genre and these stories could be happening in any city. I think Connie Britton left because of the decline in the quality of the show. She won't say it- she just says it was for personal and creative reasons.

Its like the writers forgot the storylines they created a few episodes ago. Its the same thing with Teddy. He was supposed to get out of prison but we haven't heard any mention of him since. I guess we are supposed to assume he is out and sees his daughters off screen? Ot when Daphne had major depression for all of two episodes. It drives me crazy. That being said, I enjoyed this episode and I think it was because Scarlett hardly had any screen time!

Shouldn't Teddy be out of prison by now? I know Eric Close is no longer on the show but they made kind of a big point about him getting out in 3 months and working an arrangement out with Deacon. Or did they just drop that story too?

I'll start by saying that I'm one of the few people who is not a "Deyna" fan; I've always thought they had an unhealthy and toxic relationship for the most part. Also, I've always liked Teddy. So the episode really got under my skin. 1. So does Maddie no longer acknowledge Teddy as her father? All he did was marry a woman pregnant with another man's child and then raise that child as his own. He also could have cooperated with law enforcement in the sting in season 3 but that would have indicated Tandy and the dirty money she put into Highway 65 causing Rayna to lose it. So he chose to go to prison instead. 2. It's like the show is rewriting history with this as well making Deacon out to be the great dad and Teddy to be some kind of deadbeat. Teddy and Tandy have every right to be concerned. Deacon is a recovering alcoholic with anger control issues. He just lost the love of his life. Any parent with half a brain would be concerned that he would start drinking again. Teddy has never gotten the props he deserves and now Deacon, Maddie and Daphne are the happy family. As soon as Deacon and Rayna got married, Teddy's role as father was pretty much wiped from memory. I bet if Deacon actually tried to discipline Maddie though Teddy would be daddy dearest again which she did in season 3 (I think) when Deacon got her upset so she called Teddy crying to pick her up. 3. If this was a better written show, they would deal with these issues more realistically. A normal person would probably have issues accepting a new biological father into their life. The show makes any guy who isn't Deacon (that's was involved with Rayna) a jerk, wuss, etc. To me that's because they can't have any challenge to the Deyna love story. But again, if it was better written, they could do this and make all of the characters and story more dimensional. But I will probably stop watching soon as I can't comprehend why the writers would make this show revolve around Maddie, which it seems to be going in that direction. Maddie James on a talk show......I just threw up in my mouth a little. I had such high hopes for this season, but alas, this is not Friday Night Lights :)