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I mean a lot of shows incorporate music. But this was too long. We did not need the full song. I like how One Tree Hill incorporated music. They would have Bethany Joy Lenz's character Haley or other bands start the song and sing so you would get to hear the lyrics but then it would flash to other characters and the music/lyrics would match the mood and situations of the other characters. And then the other characters typically also got dialogue and the music would fade out but still be in the background. I thought this is what Euphoria was going to do. If they just wanted to focus on his song, then they should have cut it in half or if it had to be a whole 3-4 minutes, don't put it in your season finale.

Crazy season finale. Fez needed to just let Ash go down for this. Ash is out of control and on a dangerous path for someone so young. Juvi would do him some good and his sentence would not have been as harsh considering he is a minor. Fez did him no favors by not allowing the FBI to just arrest him. He ended up dead instead. Honestly, Lexi deserved Cassie blowing up on her. Cassie is definitely off her rocker and I do not see her as the "good guy" but she didn't deserve her life to be displayed to a room full of her peers, peers parents, and possibly some strangers. Lexi was wrong for this play. I do NOT believe for one second that Rue has really changed. If she has, the euphoria writers are going to have to figure out something else to do with her character. Because as of the first 2 seasons her entire character revolved around Drugs and Jules. And now both of those are gone. I screamed when Maddy slapped Cassie and ran her into that brick wall. I had been waiting for this. Loved how Maddy told Cassie "This is just the beginning." Referring to Cassie's comment about Nate dumping her. Maddy looked satisfied that it will be Cassie going through the emotional rollercoaster that is a relationship with Nate instead of herself. Almost like that will be better punishment to Cassie than any ass whooping Maddy could give her for her betrayal.

YES to all of this. Those previouslies explained NOTHING. I have very little idea as to what happened last season pertaining to the car crash and the children drama. I also have apparently forgotten every character's name except the main three.

So I just finished this last night. I guessed in the first episode that it was either Simon or the teacher. By the 6th episode I knew Jake had to be involved. So it was all fairly easy to guess, but I still don't understand Jake's motive for killing Simon. I get his motive for wanting to frame Addy (it's sick and twisted, but it made sense). Why would Jake want Simon to actually die? The show did not do a good job of explaining this part to me. I know the book ends differently. I didn't read it, but I had to google the ending once I saw this. Other comments: Nate and Bronwyn not ending up together in the end was such contrived drama for next season because there was clearly more going on between them besides the Bayview Four Murder Club drama.

My step dad has a serious drinking problem. If he died today, I wouldn't see him any differently tomorrow. He has been an amazing step dad to me and husband to my mom. He is flawed and not perfect, but no one is. He tries to do better and has been sober for like 4 years or so. Jack's drinking may have caused some problems but nothing incredibly major. As for Nicky, he went off the deep end and Jack did what he thought was best for his family at the time. Not saying it was right, but I understand where he is coming from. This is similar to Rebecca's decision to keep Randall from his biological father. I would need an example of Jack being controlling because I do not see it. And Rebecca babied Randall too much. People make mistakes. It doesn't negate the fact that Jack was a good father and Rebecca is a good mother. Everyone is flawed and to say otherwise is ridiculous. I don't think anyone is saying Jack isn't flawed. But, he was also a good father, husband, and overall person.

That dinner was so awkward, but quite comedic so I am okay with it even if it is not all that realistic. Put me in the boat with everyone who could not care less about the Deja/Malik storyline. I also find Malik to look so young it takes me out of the story. I know he isn't 14 but he looks like it and it makes me cringe when watching. And it really doesn't have anything to do with his height. My father and my husband are both 5'5 and I have seen photos of them when they were 20 like the actor playing Malik is, and they never looked this young at that age. I don't really understand all the Jack hate. Some people are actually good people and don't have a ton of character flaws. Some men are good husbands and fathers. Some people have wonderful marriages. I have seen nothing to show me otherwise with Jack. I actually love that he is just a good man. My great grandparents had that kind of love and my great grandfather was just a really good man. They do exist. I promise.

Asher doesn't even feel like he belongs in the show anymore. Spencer's martyr complex is really starting to get on my nerves. Honestly, at this point he deserves expulsion just for being so damn stupid. Why would you compromise your entire future for something you didn't even do?! I forgot the name of the girl Liv is helping. But regarding that storyline- I'm so tired of any time anyone uses drugs or alcohol on tv these days it automatically means they are an addict. Sometimes people experiment. Sometimes people like the occasional drink. It doesn't always have to be a problem. Sometimes it is a problem, but modern tv makes it out to be like if you even like to have a beer you must be an addict. It's just tiring. I really need Coop to just have one happy storyline so I am totally fine with her getting Prom queen even though she doesn't attend Crenshaw anymore. Normally this would bother me, but Coop needs some happiness so I will let it slide this time.

Hats off to momma Grace. Glad someone finally chewed Billy out. Billy rounding up all the seniors was a real half ass way to apologize to Spencer. Spencer deserved better than this. And if I were Spencer I wouldn't be letting Billy off so easy without a sincere one on one apology and talking out their differences. WOW Layla really went for it with Coop. I understand being upset wasting studio time, but she needs to have some compassion and empathy for what Coop just went through. That was a really terrible way to handle the situation. There is standing up for yourself and then there is being just plain nasty and selfish. And this was the latter.

Billy's behavior is ridiculous. This is really ruining his character for me and I tend to usually be pretty invested in Billy. Of course Coop can't rap anymore. I really need for her to have a happy storyline. And honestly, I do not blame Patience one bit if she can't do this anymore with Coop. But, if the writers want to keep the character around, they really need to involve her with other characters otherwise they may as well just write her out the show. Ugh, I'm just not feeling Layla. I used to love her so much but she is being so over the top. I understand wanting to be heard and that she didn't want a birthday party. But sometimes you just suck it up because having a birthday party thrown for you and your dad calling you Princess is really not that big of a deal in the scheme of things. She is being really melodramatic.

Billy is being RIDICULOUS. What he said to Spencer was cold. Oh Coop always the martyr. Patience might for real break it off with her this time. Gotta say I really like Preach though. He keeps it real. He was totally going to tell that cop the truth and then Coop opened her big mouth. Which I get why Coop did it. Preach saved her life. Preach also has a daughter who no longer has a mother because Preach killed his daughter's mother to save Coop's life. When you think about it like that, Coop really just feels like she is doing the right thing to help Preach out. But, man this show never gives Coop a break.

That would have been a much better and logical storyline.

Oooff that was a lot. I could care less about Otis and Maeve. I wasn't even into them in the first season when they may have actually had potential and some mild chemistry. They should have put them together early in s2 and then have them break up over something dramatic if you still want the audience to be invested or break them up over them realizing it was just something they built up in their heads and then let them properly move on with more interesting love interests. But dragging it out this long makes it to where they really can't put Maeve or Otis with someone else without the impending doom of them ending because the writers seem so dead set on Maeve/Otis being endgame but not until the very end of the entire series. It is going to make me soooo beyond upset/irritated if Jakob isn't the father. It makes Jean look irresponsible and ignorant. And like she really was trying to trap Jakob. Lets seriously hope the writers turn this around and just let Jakob be the father. Jakob and Jean have far more interesting issues to work through than "who is the baby daddy?" And my oh my how the tables have turned from s1 to the end of s3 for me on Eric and Adam. Eric was by far my favorite character and I felt very protective of him and now that has switched to Adam. Eric's breakup with Adam seemed so OOC for Eric to be so dismissive and cruel. Adam has recently come out of the closet and does not have the accepting home life that Eric has. Adam also has deep seated issues with his father which has caused Adam to have self esteem and self identity issues as well as abusive tendencies toward others. But he has really been working on all of that through s2 and s3. And by no means am I saying Eric has to stay with Adam because of any of this, but he could have had a little more grace and tact when breaking up with him. Eric was quite cruel and seemed so nonchalant about the breakup because he wants to "fly." Whatever Eric- you had an exhilarating night of risky fun in a gay night club in Nigeria, that is not everyday life. They are also 17 so I'm not sure what nightclub Eric thought he and Adam were going to go to. (And I'm from the US, so night clubs for teenagers are slim and typically require parental drop off at minimum, it may be different in the UK). This breakup just seemed premature and I wasn't really shown on screen how Adam is holding Eric back. Adam just wasn't ready to tell his family, but he was completely out at school and in public with Eric. With everything Adam has went through with his parents I can see why he would have reservations about telling them. Idk I'm just really disappointed in this because I loved the Adam/Eric ship and I have really grown to like the Adam character. He and Aimee are actually two of the best written characters. Speaking of Aimee- at least her break up with Steve has been building all season. Their break up made a lot of sense to me and we were shown why that was going to happen unlike the Adam/Eric break up. I know this whole post sounds like a bash, but I truly do enjoy this show, it was just a weird season finale with a lot to unpack that I wasn't so happy with.

Eric really disappointed me this episode, kissing someone else. NOT COOL dude, especially while your boyfriend back home is trying to figure out how to write a poem for you. Liked the Adam/Rahim scenes. I wonder if the show is going to push that romantically this season or next especially if Adam finds out about Eric kissing some one else. Eric was kissing Adam behind Rahim's back and now he is kissing a stranger in Nigeria behind Adam's. This is starting to become a pattern and not just Eric really having feelings for Adam. Hope is a real b*tch. Sorry but there are no other nicer words for her, actually just meaner ones. She is absolutely terrible and completely abusing her power. I feel like the show is trying to make us think someone else above her is pulling the strings to make her behave this way, but I really didn't understand that scene. So if that was what the show was trying to convey they did a poor job or I really didn't pay good attention.

So I'm really late to the game. But overall, I really liked the show and most of the characters. I just have a few issues with some of the characters. I feel bad for Maeve and her home life, but how she treats Jackson is just horrible. Jackson isn't just your typical popular jock or the "nice" guy. He is genuinely a good person with actual struggles. She won't go out of her comfort zone to do things Jackson might like- like dancing with him or taking photos with him at the dance- even if she isn't into it, it's nice to do things for your significant other sometimes even if it's not something you particularly enjoy especially if it's as harmless as dancing and taking some pictures. I also don't like how she diminishes his struggles with his overbearing mother. I get where Maeve is coming from because her parents didn't care enough to even stick around and she is trying to show him that his mom cares about him, but just because his struggles aren't as hard as hers doesn't make his problems any less real. His mom is really overbearing and puts an immense amount of pressure on him to the point he is on antianxiety meds and throws up before all his swim meets. I just had a real soft spot for Jackson and did not appreciate how Maeve treated him. Ok so Headmaster Groff is a jerk and clearly does not know how to communicate with his son Adam, but Adam is quite horrible. I mean he shows his penis to the entire school, he cheats on exams, he bullies kids. I mean I get his father's disappointment. I think my favorite thing about the whole show was the Otis/Eric friendship. I loved how unapologetically Otis dressed up like Hedwig and danced with Eric at the school dance. It was just so heartwarming to see a straight male/gay male friendship.

Someone PLEASE answer this! I thought Brady was Jack's brother for the past 2 seasons. My mother who also watches the show, thought the same thing. So were we just imagining this? I am usually very good at following shows plotlines and knowing every little thing about the characters and the plot even when it doesn't make sense. So I am just baffled at how I came to the conclusion that Jack and Brady were brothers, when clearly that is not the case. Did anyone else think this? Back to the overall show- the time line is super confusing. How have 3 seasons passed, and Charmaine does not look the least bit pregnant, Chloe is still an infant that looks maybe 6 months old, and Mel gets pregnant in the matter of what 2 days?? I thought Mel and Mark were doing IVF and it wasn't working. They were clearly having fertility issues so her being pregnant in basically 2 days when it seemed like they tried for months, possibly years, makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. Also if the timeline of the entire 3 seasons has only been about 3-6 months, then Mel and Jack being so in love and talking about babies and getting married is incredibly insane. This show is so frustrating. I pretty hate watch it, but it's like I can't quit it.

It looked like the insta name was Dillon. I think Spencer's brother Dillon posted all of those photos. This episode was much better than the previous one. A lot more going on and my girl Coop was in it. I really hope Preach has good intentions with her. I do think Coop shoulda just stuck to him doing merch. I know Layla was vetting him, but she knew he didn't have all that, but that doesn't mean he can't try. Some merch is better than no merch which is what Coop & Layla have right now. Could Olivia & Spencer just get together already? I like a slow burn and all but the show is about to miss their beat on them being together really being something special. This happened on Suits where they just dragged out the main couple getting together for so many seasons that by the time they actually got together it fell flat and I could care less. Wow, the cop tailing Olivia had me scared. Calling her mom was smart and pulling over where there was people. Ugh to use Vanessa's favorite word of the episode that cop was a dick. He did all of that to intentionally scare a CHILD (she is still a minor). Ugh disgusting. Asher could seriously try to be nicer. Idk why kids find it so difficult to be nice to their step parents especially if the step parent is being nothing but kind and genuinely trying. I have 2 step parents and was nothing but nice to both of them as teenager. Love that South Crenshaw is getting another chance. I kinda saw it coming but at the same time I didn't.

Ugh I'm sorry I am so frustrated with Olivia at this point. She just very possibly ruined her mother's career, recently drove drunk and tried to get Spencer to take the fall, just the drinking in general. Olivia needs to get it together. I know Olivia is Laura's dauther, but Olivia really needs to be punished for what she has done. She needs real consequences. I understand the drinking/addiction is a sickness and she needed love/help/guidance. But this nonsense is just plain reckless. And sorry not sorry but Olivia should be SORRY for releasing that video because by releasing it she has possibly ruined her mother's career and reputation without thinking any of it through.

Of course Mo is bad. Ugh why couldn't she just be good? I would really like for Coop to just catch a break for once. I hope Jordan gets the same tough love from his parents that Olivia is getting. Jordan lying about his concussion is no better than Olivia lying about her drinking/addiction. Both are dangerous and both can get you killed. Jordan needs some repercussions for his actions outside of him losing football (which I'm sure will only last about 3-5 episodes). I usually like Simone, but she was getting on my last nerve in this episode. "Wife trumps parents?" What a horrible thing to say even if they already knew about the marriage. I wish Spencer would have broken his Dad's record. I'm a little tired of all the Corey love. Regardless of Billy and Grace's affair, Corey still left his children. Just because you are having marital problems it doesn't mean you abandon your kids. Let's stop pretending like Corey was some sort of saint just because he died. I hate when shows and people in real life idolize someone just because they are dead when you know good and well if they were alive things would be way different.

I feel like that was not really moving on. You can date other people after a break up or after a significant other's death and still feel like you haven't moved on. What he had with Paris Hilton was superficial at best. You can see that how when he is with Veronica he is moving on and he has deeper feelings for her.

I'm in my late twenties, and I totally went to no parental supervised parties like this all the time in high school. So to me this seemed normal. Of course, it's usually the same people at the parties because they are the ones who usually want to go and have either absentee parents or so called "cool" parents or just straight up lied to their parents lol. So for me the partying, the alcohol, the drugs, the sex- all seems to be pretty realistic of what went down at parties in high school. Not that it's right, just realistic.

To be fair all these actors are like 30, so you shouldn't feel bad lol. I looked it up one day. Typically for shows set in highschool they at least cast the teens with the actors being more around 18-22, but not this cast it was more like 28-33. I was shocked because they do look young, not high school young but they look early 20s young to me. This season has been strong, but this was definitely the strongest episode. It was nice to have a different setting and to finally find out what happened in Vegas. It was similar to what I thought- something happening between Liv & Spencer. I just thought it was going to be more on the physical side than emotional. I'm glad they chose the emotional route, because Spencer and Liv's connection is deep. I was definitely a Layla/Spencer shipper but I think this episode changed my mind. Spencer and Liv just have this ease with one another, a comfortableness, and such an intense connection. The flashbacks during Simone and Jordan's wedding was just spot on. It's like I realized their love for one another as they realized it. That was good writing right there especially to turn this Layla/Spencer shipper into a Liv/Spencer shipper in basically one scene. I did feel really bad for Layla though. Spencer did her dirty by sleeping with her right after his love confession to Liv. I was so disappointed in him because I have high expectations for Spencer since 99% of the time he does the right thing. I know what he did was human and a very real reaction to rejection/heartbreak, but my man Spencer is better than that lol. I guess I will let it slide since he finally came clean and is trying to do the right thing now. But no wonder his arm is acting up- it's bigger than his beef with Coop- it's all these damn secrets and him lying to himself about his feelings. Speaking of Simone and Jordan- y'all what in the world, they are not Naley (on OTH). But this does make their silly fight on last week's episode make sooo much more sense. I was like y'all need to chill out about not knowing everything about each other- it's been like what 6 months? This brings so much clarity to that scene. I knew JP was sleeping with little jewl as soon as Layla asked what she was doing there so early- I was like because she woke up here duh. It was nice to see Patience and Coop happy in this episode. It's like I love them in theory, but honestly they are not good for each other when it comes down to it. They are constantly fighting. It is always a battle over something. That relationship would be so exhausting to be in. JJ is the man. He really brings some light heartedness and fun to a relatively serious drama.

Ughhh I am so beyond over Jordan's whiny entitled self. He is so ridiculous to me. He is just one of those characters I have no sympathy for even when the writing clearly wants me to. I hope JJ is the new QB1 and not because Jordan has a severe concussion but because JJ deserves it. JJ doesn't make everything about himself- it's about the team for him which will make him the better QB in the end even if Jordan is technically the better athlete. I'm glad Asher is back on the team. He deserves it. He has worked really hard. I know he has messed up but he is paying his dues. I wish Spencer had presented that better to Coop about his arm. He presented that so poorly. It's not her fault. Tyrone is the bad guy, but Spencer does blame her because she got involved and he wanted to protect her. So I get where his feelings are coming from, but let's not forget who the real bad guy is. But the point about Coop looking for a fight is true- she is constantly getting herself into something she could have stayed out of. I do feel like this is why the conversation went differently than Spencer probably originally planned and it was the last scene of the episode so you know drama for next week. Unfortunately, Coop probably is right about Mo. But, she is going about it wrong. She could just say her peace to her friends and steer clear of Mo. So far all Mo has done is help. I don't trust her either, but she hasn't done anything bad yet. I don't mind if we have an Olivia spiraling storyline. She is an addict so it is realistic and we only saw her other one in flashbacks. It's super realistic that she would relapse. I am curious to see how this goes with alcohol. I feel like maybe I don't understand addiction well, because some people say "I'm a cocaine addict but I can still drink alcohol" and they manage it pretty well, while others say "I'm a cocaine addict and therefore I stay away from all drugs because I'm addict." I don't know which one is right or wrong and maybe it's just person dependent. Obviously Olivia has an addictive personality and her alcohol drinking is addict like with the sneaking, lying, and drinking it throughout the day in a water bottle. If she was drinking with friends at a party I would be less concerned. So she clearly isn't the type of addict who can say I will not do pills but I can occasionally drink alcohol in a social setting. She just needs to stay away from all substances.

Oh yeah I get that. The show really does love torturing Coop. Honestly, I want to see the Coop/Spencer shooting fallout storyline. I think it's realistic and could be interesting. I however, do not want to watch whatever Mo is about to stir up for Coop. The Tyrone story is so tired. I'm over it. Yes, the show can always change couples. That's fairly easy especially with teenagers and considering the actors contracts. I was just saying how I always tend to ship the couple the writers and most fans seem to not be a fan of, haha. And it does seem that the writers set up Olivia/Spencer to be endgame since the first season and they continue to sprinkle it through the last 2 seasons and this one. They want to do the slow burn for them.

Well guess Darnell is leaving. I'm really bummed. I think he had great character potential on this show and ugh he was so easy on the eyes (ok selfish me will stop now). As for Spencer blaming Coop, I guess I feel differently than others in this chat. I get it. As soon as the therapist said to find your stuck point, I immediately yelled at the screen "Coop." Yes, Coop has had it rough and a lot of her circumstances were not her fault but that does not mean that it did not affect other people around her. Spencer was affected by her decisions and circumstances bc he cares so deeply for his friend. I think Spencer has every right to feel this way. People feel all types of ways all the time. How he handles it, is really what matters. So clearly Olivia and Spencer are gonna be the slow burn love of All American just like every show has one of these. And obviously record label guy and Layla are going to be some sort of romantic item so the show can shift toward Olivia/Spencer. Honestly, in the s1ep1 I was all for Olivia/Spencer. But I just really have enjoyed Spencer/Layla. This is so typical of me to go down with a sinking ship, so it is not even news to me at this point. I just wish shows would stop making the couple they don't want to be endgame so appealing. But then again I might be the only Layla/Spencer shipper. I also was all for Ascher/Olivia but man has that grown flat and stale quickly. They were more interesting during the "what if?" phase. Now I could care less about them. I also could care less about the new girl as well. This entire storyline is just ugh lol. Jordan has pissed me off since s1ep1 and continues to do so. He is such an entitled whiny brat. I can't even with him. However, I do find Simone interesting and am interested in her story. But how she isn't tired of Jordan yet is beyond me. I need more adult stories back in the show. It was a better balance when Billy, his wife/exwife, Grace, and Corey (now dead) were more integral to the storyline. Mainly bc the teens storylines are so flat. If they are trying to be OTH they are failing bc I could have watched OTH for the teens all day and still could, but I do believe IIRC they had a good balance. Wow I'm rambling at this point so I'm cut off lol.

I really hope Darnell sticks around. I actually really enjoy his character and he and Spencer have good football and friendship chemistry. Also he is so nice to look at. Am I the only one who ships Layla and Spencer? I think they are so sweet together but I feel like the show has been setting up a slow burn for Olivia and Spencer since the s1ep1. I really hope they didn't hook up in Vegas, not just bc that storyline is tired but then it makes Olivia a colossally terrible friend to sleep with her bestfriend's (Layla) bf not once but twice. That would be hard for any character to come back from. Not to mention on tv shows the main actors have to have some sort of connection or it doesn't work. And if Olivia did sleep with Spencer that would basically push Layla out since most of her scenes revolve around her relationships with Spencer and Olivia. And I like Layla so I don't want to lose her as a character either.