Heathen

I have never once seen the infamous bikini photo, although Mullet has mentioned it (not as often as it's been mentioned here). I find it hard to believe that a woman who had her knees blacked out while waterskiing in a long skirt would show a photo of herself in a bikini. I feel sorry for the younger Duggars who are still at home. I can see their parents cracking down on them big time, in the naive belief that too much freedom caused Josh's issues. (Wrong.) And if Jim Bob burns through a lot of his money on Josh's defense, the younger kids might have to revert to the old Duggar ways, with not enough food, wearing used shoes and ugly-ass frumpers, no fancy cell phones or trips. It's also likely, in that case, that the younger kids wouldn't get the big weddings and extras that their older siblings got. They might have to actually "leave and cleave," as Mullet said once upon a time, although anybody with half a brain knew the kids didn't really leave OR cleave.

I think that's promoting his practice more than anything. He couldn't very well write, "I got a pervert off the hook but I'm ashamed of it." I've always had the impression the Duggarettes really didn't care for Anna. Maybe it's a sister-in-law thing, maybe it's because she's Ofsmuggar. Who knows. They would never admit to anything other than "we love her like a sister."

Everybody deserves legal representation and due process, no matter how heinous the crime. That's the way our legal system works.

I want to throw up. I just hoped it was something not child-related. I feel so sorry for his children. Even if they ever go non-fundie and have actual educations or jobs, they're still going to be "the pervert's kids." It's not fair to them.

I feel awful for the kids. His stain will follow them for the rest of their lives, whether they stay fundie or not. They're kids -- they don't deserve to be contaminated by their father. On a somewhat lighter note, how many of you signed up to get updates on Smuggar's status in jail? I did.

Elizabeth and Mark were great together until the beginning of season eight. Elizabeth was a caricature after that.

Jim Bob had a real job (actually, jobs, and so did Michelle) and worked hard when he was young. Gil did too, before he dumped Nabisco in favor of trimming trees and getting hospitals to write off ER bills. I think Alyssa is far more like her parents than she'd be willing to admit. She had her first kid less than eleven months after her wedding, and she's had kid after kid since then despite a recent medical history that might suggest slowing down would be a good idea. And she grifts clothes for her kids.

She didn't have much because her idiot parents kept having kid after kid after kid and refused to keep actual jobs. Gee, I wonder if Alyssa the dingbat realizes she's following in her parents' footsteps.

I don't get that from David Waller, but from most fundie men -- absolutely. Some of them frighten me even in photos. (Here's looking at you, Christopher Maxwell and Bateseseseses.)

Kerry was great with the Deaf, epileptic girl, too.

It may not be common in your culture, but it absolutely is common among certain cultures in the US -- not immigrant communities -- for babies to wear jewelry. I used to pierce ears as part of my job (I managed a jewelry department). I can't tell you how many times I saw very young babies whose parents wanted their ears done, or who already had their ears done. Some of them were newborns.

He's the one who groped her ass in front of her family after their wedding. He's just a younger Jim Bob, he of the mini-golf humping. None of them has an ounce of class.

Samuel is the darker brother? My guess is Jill decided to spend money on his perfectly fine teeth because he's the best-looking of the Rod males (it's a very low bar, I know), and maybe he's now the golden child that Kiefer Tim was before his fall from grace.

Looks like Jill got a new WonderBra.

Most of the fundies we talk about here probably expect their church to tithe them 10% or more.

ITA about the plants. "Hosta" is kind of an odd word if you're not familiar with it. Wait until she hears about forsythia. I don't think Joy is a horrible mother. I didn't watch the video, but babies cry. Joy's kids appear to be happy, clean, and well-fed, all of which makes Joy very unlike her own mother.

I wonder if the Caldwells guilted Joe and Kendra into giving up their new, bigger house. I can see both Joe and Kendra being easily manipulated into doing so, by either set of parents. They both strike me as go-along-to-get-along types.

A baby shower for a NINTH kid? Crass and probably wholly unnecessary. She doesn't already have baby gear? ETA: I see someone brought that up in the comments, and predictably was called a troll.

I'm surprised Jill didn't offer up some bullshit dig about how ungodly mothers UNLIKE HERSELF would have aborted Janessa, possibly at the moment of her birth.

The Duggars eat a standard American diet. https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/standard-american-diet/ https://www.uab.edu/inquiro/issues/past-issues/volume-9/82-the-effects-of-an-american-diet-on-health

And decent nutrition. I feel like crap after about a day of the standard American diet. They've had years of it.

Lady Grey might be a good choice for you. It has less bergamot so tastes less like potpourri, but it still has a really nice flavor. My current favorite, though, is Taylors of Harrogate Assam. Yum. I hope they stay in Texas and that Claire inherited her mother's fertility patterns.

Neither have I. I also don't ask people to write Instagram captions for me to post as my own.

I can remember the names, only because of that stupid almost-jingle they had at the beginning of the show. It's seared into my brain. I can identify faces down to about Joy or Josiah, then Josie and now Justin, but that's it. The lost girls and other howlers are just Generic J'Duggar. Josh Jana John-David Jill Jessa Jinger Joseph Josiah Joy-Anna Jedidiah Jeremiah Jason James Justin Jackson Johanna Jennifer Jordyn-Grace Josie. How did I do?

How bad was it? Like Duggars-at-an-Ethiopian-restaurant bad?