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But aren't soldiers are assassins who murder people? Quinn was a soldier and the war heroes you mention too. Both were told they had to kill people to protect their country. I really don't see the difference between what Quinn did and vets do other than vets getting public recognition for risking their own lives to protect their country.

I've found the old thread, just in case anyone is interested in reading what people thought in s2-4: https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20140330153452/http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/3215888-peter-quinn-the-spy-who-stabbed-me/ I still can't believe Quinn was shown little to no respect in his departure. His death could have been written in a better way.

Quinn's death was awful, and not because he died, I was expecting that. All the gratious suffering since season 5 had to end. But this death was so badly written I didn't feel anything, and he was my favourite character. Carrie was like "oh yeah, Keane, he's dead". Six weeks later we're told there was a memorial and Carrie didn't even speak. Dar was in jail. Quinn didn't have a lot of people in his life, so thanks for not showing that mess. Then she starts throwing his things in a trash bag, and yes, she starts crying when she notices a picture of herself. Didn't she know he deeply loved her? Maybe I'm just in shock, but I think Quinn deserved a better farewell scene.

What if we are all seeing in black or white when this subject is more complex? I'm thinking about the children whose parents have sexually abused them as kids and they still love them as adults. They claim they know what their parents did was wrong but they love them because they're family and also did good things to them. imo they think that way because they are still traumatised. Usually, the children who had emotional support from other members of the family cut ties with the abusive parents, and the ones who continued in the same abusive environment for years are the ones who can't cut ties. With Quinn, we don't know the full story but I guess it's not the first time Dar tells him he's "his child" knowing he can manipulate him because he's the father figure. As an adult, Quinn knows what Dar did (to him or other kids) is disgusting, but he's still his father and deep inside him still loves him. Quinn didn't have anyone and I doubt he's been in therapy if he was abused, so he's been in a toxic environment for decades with the abuser being his boss. What is clear to me is that Quinn is an emotional roller coaster when he's with Dar.

I also thought Dar just used young Quinn as an asset and Quinn resented him for that. Even though their relationship has always been off the rocks it seemed Dar was concerned about Peter's well being in previous seasons. Remember the convo between Saul and Dar after Quinn returns from Syria: Also, watching the saryn gas video brought tears to Dar's eyes. So I presume he was genuine when he said he loves Quinn (even if it is in his dirty old mind kind of way that gives us the creeps). What I fully don't understand is that Quinn seemed moved by his words. He's not a minor anymore and knows fully well Dar is a grade a manipulator. Yet Quinn was shivering when Dar told him he loves him and couldn't pull the trigger. I saw it as Quinn kind of loving him too because Dar is his father figure, the person who raised him. I simply can't understand Quinn's reaction if it's true Dar sexually abused him. There must be another reason that didn't catch our eye (I know I might seem to be in denial, but this plot is creeping the hell out of me). The thought of Dar doing that and Quinn being his puppy twenty years later is gross.

In s5 Carrie asks him about his son and he says some people are not parent material. Also, he says (s4/s5) Peter Quinn is his "legal" name, so he could be John for all we know. To be honest, I hate what they're doing to Quinn and Dar. Dar has always been shady, but this new revelation makes him an awful human being. And Quinn? He needs a break. He went through hell in s5, and again in s6. I don't know why, but I started this season thinking it would be absurd to kill/almost kill Quinn again. Now? I don't believe in miracles but Dar and Quinn surviving s6 would be one. They are done.

S6E1 is a good set up for what's to come. It's an introduction to new characters and shows us what the characters from previous seasons are up to. And nothing else. At the end of the episode there's a preview and Quinn is telling Carrie: and Carrie tells him So I think Quinn's struggles with his new life won't be his main plot. Of course he's in bad shape and won't be old Quinn in a few episodes, and I imagine he'll relapse or will continue allucinating from time to time, but it seems he wakes up from his nightmare pretty soon.