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  1. I'm an LL shipper from the first scene of the pilot so I think they have a lot of chemistry and a very deep bond, but it's just different than what she has with Christopher. To me she is a teenager around Christopher again, giddy and infatuated but with a lack of maturity and depth. She seems less hyper around Luke, but I've always felt like it's because she doesn't feel the need to perform around him. She's got deep feelings for him that take her aback, and Lorelai responds to that with an almost stunned, atypically reflective silence sometimes. He's the only person who makes her stop talking long enough to look inward, to relax and process before reacting. She's not flitting around all the time to divert him or herself, but more quietly content, thoughtful and at peace. She's not in the usual entertaining cocktail party mode with him, so I can see how it seems like she's less happy, but I see it like she's content and at ease. She's comfortable with him, herself and a lower key existence than she is around anyone else. This is just the way I see it. As for him, I think he protects himself with a gruff exterior but is clearly a softie underneath. He is actually a very emotional and sensitive guy. That passion comes out in overly annoyed rants rather than sonnets, but it's there! He's got his flaws but I think he loves Lorelai very deeply and would do anything for her and Rory. And I do think we've seen that he likes how she encourages him to have fun and be a part of things rather than being a cynical detached observer. I also wanted to mention that disliking Christopher is very different from disliking David Sutcliffe. I like David Sutcliffe a lot and agree with the poster who said that they almost feel sorry for him sometimes for playing a thankless role. I've seen a lot of his interviews and think he's gracious, attractive, thoughtful and seemingly a good soul. He's been very open about his battles with depression, which is something I sympathize with and respect. I read somewhere else that he's gotten a lot of cruel emails and letters over the years for playing Christopher, which made me feel awful for him. One of the reasons I like this site is that most seem smart and mature enough not to blame an actor for his character! The more I watch the revival, the less disappointed I am with it. I relate to Rory's drifting a lot more than I want to admit. I think AB was better in the role here than she had been for the last three or four seasons on the show. I still hate Logan but agree there was more chemistry between the than before. I really loved the LL story as a whole despite my frustrations with some of the specifics. And this LL shipper doesn't mind that they didn't end up having kids. Emily was amazing. The stuff with maids was awful and tone deaf for so many reasons, but I loved the rest. There were too many unfilled plot holes, but the flip side is that allows for a lot of interesting interpretations, so I'm really enjoying the discussion that the revival has generated. One more: I care so much more about the relationship between Jess and Luke than the one between Jess and Rory. That's especially true now, but I've always felt that way.
  2. I am so happy that other folks here still love this elderly but addicting show. It's got its fair share of flaws, but I love it anyway and am in until the end. A little time with my favorite brothers and some cathartic horror may distract me from my disappointment over the Gilmore Girls revival. I'm watching Mystery Spot, Fan Fiction and a few other of my go-to episodes as soon as I finish typing this post. Season 10 is one of my favorites. I knew as soon as I saw Fan Fiction that I had to own the season even though I'd promised myself I'd stop buying SPN DVDs. The humor works especially well in season 10, it was fun to see Sam worrying about Dean instead of the other way around, and I liked the Mark of Cain plot. Jensen acted the heck out of those scenes and I always enjoy when the show explores what makes us dark and how we rise above it. I love Sam, Dean and Castiel, and I love Sam/Dean's sibling relationship and Dean/Castiel's friendship. In some other place I've been it almost feels like you have to pick only one of those characters or one of those relationships, and I really love them all. I liked Jo, Bella, Charley and some other characters who most fans didn't. I agree with the above about Jody Mills being great, and I like Donna as well. I like seasons 8-11 more than the Carver seasons, 6 and 7, but I think 6 and 7 get a bad rap. There are some great episodes in those seasons that I love watching. Season 3 deserves more love too. I prefer it to season 4 and 5. I don't hate Amelia. Is that the most unpopular one written here? Please don't hate me for having such bad taste. I'm glad John Winchester died when he did; I would have really tired of him and his constant conflicts with Sam if he had remained on the series much longer, and it was more interesting to me to see Dean and Sam focus on things other than finding and dealing with their dad. I didn't mind Bobby dying off when he did either. I'm not as heartless as this paragraph makes me sound! I loved Bobby's time on the show but don't feel like he was essential to my enjoyment of it. I even read some of the terrible tie-in Supernatural books. My addiction is out of control.
  3. I loved most of the LL scenes and the idea that even if life, relationships and individuals aren't perfect, you can still find happiness. I loved Emily redefining herself as an individual. I loved Lorelai and Emily finally getting the therapy that should have begun decades ago! I disliked almost everything else. The dialogue felt off to me. The musical and most of the townie parts either bored or annoyed me. Not even Paris was as great as I had hoped. I have to agree with people who found this bleak, and not just because of how Richard's death impacted the show. The worst was Rory. I almost wish I could erase most of her scenes from memory. I've always disliked Logan and who Rory is around him even when it wasn't fair or logical to feel that way, and I hate them even more now. I understand why people think Jess might become Rory's version of Luke, but right now I want better for Jess, and I'm not even a big fan of his. I love good Rory and Lorelai scenes, but their bond didn't feel as strong to me. The only parts of this revival I could see watching again are the majority of the LL scenes and most of the Emily scenes.
  4. Oh wow, those pictures are amazing! I told myself I wouldn't pester you folks with more questions, but I need to know what the final four words were! And does it seem like Rory might have feelings for both Jess and Logan? Does Logan want to commit to her?
  5. Juniemomo, I can never thank you enough! I think I'm going to enjoy the L/L stuff a lot. Less convinced that I'll love the Rory scenes, but hope springs eternal!
  6. I know this is annoying, but can someone please take pity on someone who can't watch these yet even though she really wants to and answer just a few questions? 1. Am I correct in saying that Rory ends up working for the Stars Hollow paper? That actually makes sense in a way 2. Rory is pregnant with Logan's baby and doesn't tell him about it? As I said, I hate Logan and Rory/Logan, and since it sounds like this revival did make it clear that Logan is Rory's Christopher, I doubt this revival will change my opinion 3. Does Emily end up in a good place? What is she doing? 4. Did L/L get married? Are there plans for a kid via surrogacy or adoption? Is Lorelai still running the inn by the end? Do LL seem happy? 5. Jess still has feelings for Rory; does she have any for him? Are there signs that they may end up together, or is Rory done with the men from her past? Thank you so much to anyone who answers these. I'm in a bit of a bind and can't see these for myself, so knowing these things will be the high point of my Thanksgiving weekend!
  7. I'm still the only person I know who hated Six Feet Under. I never liked Sex and the City either. The only show on that network I really liked was Oz.
  8. 1) Who were your 5-7 favorite characters? Juliet, Sawyer, Desmond, Ben, Daniel Farraday, Sayid, Miles 2) Who were your 5-7 LEAST favorite characters? CHARLIE, Ana Lucia, Jack until the final season, Michael, Locke 3) How would you rank the seasons from favorite to least favorite? 5 is my favorite, 1 and 2 are my least favorites, and 3, 4 and 6 fall somewhere in between 4) What were your 10(ish!) favorite episodes? I'll come back to this one after I study the episode list. Be forewarned that at least four of mine will be from the fifth season. 5) What were your favorite actual/would-be romantic relationships? Juliet/Sawyer are the kind of couple that inspires me to write terribly cheesy fanfic, which is my way of saying I love this relationship more than almost any other on TV. I like Desmond/Penny and I agree with people who said Sayid/Kate had very interesting potential that of course the show squandered in favor of one of the most annoying love triangles I've ever seen. I liked Daniel/Charlotte as well and Sayid/Shannon appealed to me more than I would have expected. 6) What were your LEAST favorite romantic relationships? Jack/Kate, Sawyer/Kate, Charlie/Claire, Shannon/Boone. All these relationships made the characters, and especially the female characters, less likeable to me than they were otherwise. 7) What were your favorite friendships/frenemyships/non-romantic relationships? Like many of you, the lack of strong female character development and female friendships on this show was a disappointment to me. I liked the relationship between Kate and Sun and like to believe that under different circumstances Juliet could have had interesting friendships with both of those women too. A Juliet/Claire friendship could have been a fun study in contrasts; warm, open, intuitive, free spirited Claire and the carefully clinical, reserved, book smart, scared to be hopeful Juliet. I love the friendship between Sawyer and Miles. Sawyer and Farraday could have had a sweet, funny and interesting unexpected friendship too. The Jack/Claire bond was underdeveloped but nice, and I liked them both more in scenes with each other than with most other characters.
  9. I love that this thread is so accepting and respectful of everybody's perspectives! I enjoyed Shannon too. She added humor and personality and showed capacity for growth. As someone else noted, she was also one of the most clearly and consistently written female characters. Season 5 is my favorite season and possibly the only one I'd rewatch more than a couple of times. I didn't like Sawyer much until late season 4, and now he's one of my favorite characters. I see a lot of dislike for Juliet and can understand where everyone's coming from, but she's one of my favorite characters; not just on Lost, but in general. I can blather on about why if anyone is interested, although I would never try to change anyone's mind! I just think it's interesting to see different takes on characters, especially one as open to multiple valid interpretations as Juliet. Juliet and Sawyer are one of the only TV romances I ever really loved. I've come to like Kate much more than I ever expected to, just not with or in relation to either Jack or Sawyer. I liked her bond with Aaron a lot. It's cliche to add in a kid as a way of giving characters perspective and showing them how to love, but for Kate it actually made sense; she was never rooted anywhere and kept acting impulsively based on her own whims and fears, and having a kid forces you to have a little stability and structure in your life while not acting as selfishly or recklessly. I read that the writers thought of killing off Jack in the pilot, and on balance I wish they had. Jack himself is difficult for me to like or care about, although I agree that he was easier to enjoy in the last season. The main reason I would have liked to see the series without Jack isn't about my dislike for Jack or his relationship with Kate - it's because I think the group dynamics in the first few seasons would have been a lot more interesting without Jack there. He was the almost universally acknowledged leader, and it would have been enjoyable to see how they functioned without one person clearly in charge. I disagree with the most common criticism of the show, which is that we didn't get any answers to the questions raised throughout the series. I felt like the majority of questions were answered, even if not exactly in the ways many of us would have liked. I think Claire could have been a great character and an asset to the show. It's a shame she was saddled with Charlie. Hurley annoys me. Maybe it's because he too was around Charlie a lot so I like him less by association. I really detest Charlie, but that doesn't seem very unpopular here. But even after Charlie died, Hurley just isn't a character who I like that much. It felt as if the writers tried too hard to make him the adorable fan favorite. I almost never rewatch this show like I do my other favorites, but it's always with me and affected me more than almost any other series I've ever seen.
  10. Have you all talked about funniest episodes yet? I think I'd pick Chick Flick and Sin Fransisco. I thought I would love Sense and Sensability but didn't find it as funny as I expected to. Lost and Bound is very funny as well; there are some serious parts involving the young boy with powers, but the B-plot with Phoebe turning into a traditional '50s housewife may be the funniest Phoebe has ever been. A lot of episodes are hilarious because of the wigs and costumes the sisters end up wearing, but I don't know if that's intentional!
  11. 45 to be eliminated; 35 to win Have you decided what to play next? I love this game!
  12. I'm so confused. I honestly don't see how it's possible to infer any of that from those spoilers. Luke and Lorelai have not always been ideal partners to each other, but nothing at all about the above makes me think the spoilers are implying that Lorelai is treating Luke poorly.
  13. Please come over there and talk to me if you can! Nothing makes me happier than finding people who share my obsessions. Tell me Mulder and Scully wouldn't fit in perfectly in Stars Hollow.
  14. This reads to me as Lorelai selflessly thinking of other people's happiness instead of her own and being more introspective and self-aware than before, both of which make me optimistic that she's grown. I don't come from the perspective of always thinking the worst of Lorelai and looking to pounce on her for everything she does, so maybe I'm putting an optimistic spin on it. I agree with JaggedLilPill that a lot of people find themselves soul searching at a certain age and especially after a death in the family.
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