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Oh another randomly annoying thing. Is it realistic for 3/5 of them to be engaged or married by TWENTY THREE. I mean my goodness. Didnt they just graduate from college like yesterday?

Agree with above post re confusion as to Charlotte's parentage... Totally didn't see the Ezria proposal coming *rolls eyes*. And wasn't Nicole kidnapped and her body not found? Couldn't that phone call have been important to police who presumably are still looking for her - or at least looking for her kidnappers? On another note, SOOOO annoyed with no one staying dead on this show. Now Rollins is back next week (based on the promo) and Nicole is clearly going to rejoin us from the dead and Charlotte probably isn't dead either. And how dumb was Emily's "of course she's dead, they had a funeral for her". Emily, you guys alone have gone to 1000 funerals for dead people who came back from the dead. Wtf are you talking about? Spencer was uncharacteristically worthless. Trolling her ex and Caleb's ex for info as to where he was? Really? She reached an all time low in this episode. No Mona? Boo. But Noel Kahn? Yay! Shower Harvey is one of the worst characters this show has ever forced upon us and I was hoping they would just retcon her completely (since they are clearly comfortable with retcons).

I guess I am confused as to how people want Spencer to be acting. So far these episodes have occurred over what, a couple of days? In that time she has watched her boyfriend and her best friend cuddle up together before her very eyes and was clearly uncomfortable, but didn't say anything because they had bigger issues. Then she finds out they kissed and still hardly mentions it except in passing... Her discussion with Hanna outside of Ali's house was quite calm and rational. But what, the next day she should be buddy buddy with Hanna again? On what planet would that make sense??? She just found out that she was betrayed by her best friend and boyfriend while being stalked again and committing multiple felonies again. She has a right to feel upset. And telling Emily that Hanna kissed him is the truth. This whole "but it was a tense moment!" disclaimer doesn't matter. She kissed him. Period. Also, she didn't just clear the air. She specially said "I never stopped loving you." How is that defensible when he has a girlfriend and she is engaged??? Why would he need to know that at this juncture? What good could possibly come from it? "Oh heyyyy I know you're in a relationship now and I'm engaged and I had 5 years to have this conversation , but by the way I still totally love you! K bye. Good luck with Spencer!" If she really cared about Caleb knowing she didn't give up she would have told him at some point in the last 5 years. It's tantamount to emotional manipulation to wait until someone moves on to now profess your love. Also, it shouldn't matter if Hanna knew about Caleb and Spencer getting close. If her feelings are genuine they would not be dependent upon Caleb's relationship status and so Caleb and Spencer's burgeoning friendship over the last few years would be moot Also, this life or death situation was completely self imposed. Not lessening the impact of the stress upon Hanna but she opted to do this. As a team with Caleb. I wonder why she opted to do this as a team with Caleb? I don't think Hanna is a bad person and, in fact, she is one of my favorite characters, but people are making some quantum leaps to justify her bad behavior while saying Spencer is ruined for having hurt feelings and needing time to heal. She even told Hanna in this episode that she would forgive her but she needed more time. I think it's fair to ask for more than a day to process a major betrayal... Personally I think Spencer has handled this with a lot more grace than either Caleb or Hanna deserve. Whether we like Spaleb or not, they are a couple. So.. Hanna betrayed her best friend and fiancé and Caleb betrayed his girlfriend. Those are just facts. You can say they don't matter to you because you love Haleb, but there is no changing them either.

I'm rewatching the episode now and laughing hysterically at how stupid these girls are. Mona "torching the car would have been a bonehead move." Hanna "why?! It would have erased blood and fingerprints!" Mona "a torched car in the middle of the woods tends to raise questions. What did you do with the burner phone?" Hanna and Aria *deer in headlights look* Why are they so clueless?! You really think an abandoned, torched car doesn't raise eyebrows?! I mean I know the Rosewood PD is incompetent, but gimme a break. Hanna was smarter 4 seasons ago when she at least dumped Wilden's car in the river where it was less likely to be found. Also Aria and Hanna were shocked at the concept of a burner phone. As if they aren't living in a world where people can steal your face and psychics pull you from shallow graves. I think Mona needs to be in every episode from here on out. She's the only one with a functioning cerebrum.

TOTALLY AGREE! I don't like Spaleb because it completely ruins what was so amazing about this show to begin with and that was the amazing friendship of the girls. No matter what A threw their way they were able to get through it because they have such an incredible bond. So to drag Spencer, Hanna and Caleb's characters through this just to end up with the original ships is a cheap tactic and totally unnecessary. I guess since this is the "season of romance" they needed to up the drama? Boo.

Hanna kissing Caleb absolutely is her getting in the way of their romance given that is what threw Spaleb's relationship into turmoil. Hanna waiting until Caleb is with Spencer to confess she came back is also getting in the way of their romance. Why confess now when he is with someone else? Your best friend at that? I'm not saying Caleb isn't to blame here too, but completely absolving Hanna of what she did is absurd to me. She cheated on her fiancé, lied to her best friend about her feelings about Spaleb, and then went behind her back to NOW confess she went back to the apt and to kiss him. The whole "she was stressed and scared" thing doesn't move me, plus it was her idea to serve herself up on a silver platter to begin with. Also, Spencer is holding Hanna responsible for kissing Caleb. Not for Caleb's feelings. Spencer has every right to be mad at Hanna for kissing Caleb.. It befuddles me as to why people assume she should be OK with Hanna and Caleb making out because they dated in high school... It's Spencer's boyfriend now thanks to Hanna's blessing. Regardless of why Hanna gave it, she gave it. So making out with Caleb after that makes her wrong and Spencer has every right to be angry with her. and did everyone miss the scenes where in front of Spencer Hanna was holding hands with Caleb and being all over him? To the point Spencer told Emily "what do you want me to do, pry myself between them on the couch." The point is... Hanna has done A LOT wrong in this scenario. And the only reason I'm pointing that out and giving Spencer and Caleb a break is because everyone is already ragging on them. You don't get a free pass to make out with your best friend's boyfriend because you're scared. You don't get a free pass to cheat on your fiancé because you're scared. Sorry. And if you DO, by that logic Spencer had just committed multiple felonies on top of having that moment with Caleb so she was probably freaked out too when she hooked up with Marco and, on top of that, incredibly drunk.

I was under the assumption that Ali was power of attorney for Charotte because she wasn't able to make decisions for herself. It would be odd for them to allow her to retain control of all of that money given her mental state and how she used the funds (to stalk, maim, torture, etc). That's why Rollins had to marry Ali and then make her go crazy so he could take over the money. Also why in the latest episode Mary comes in to Ali and says something like "don't worry. I'm in charge now" as if for some reason she is taking over for Rollins? Now THAT would be strange given Ali has a brother and presumably a father that is still alive? Is Ali's father alive? Why has no one mentioned him?

While I completely agree the Spaleb storyline seems forced as all of Spencer and Caleb's "intense moments" we keep getting forced fed have occurred off screen, I don't understand the Spencer hate. Before Spencer and Caleb moved forward, Spencer asked Hanna for her permission. Hanna would have been well within her rights to say "I wouldn't be comfortable with that" given Caleb was her first love. This episode proved Spencer would have understood that stance as she talks about the "dull ache" with Toby being engaged. Instead Hanna pretends to be noble and then once Caleb and Spencer move on, THEN she's heartbroken. Also, people keep bringing up how Spencer "cheated" on the elevator. Firstly, she had broken up with Caleb. Secondly, Hanna cheated on her FIANCÉ when she kissed Caleb and no one is giving her any grief for that. Hanna's actions were way more egregious And why should Spencer just automatically forgive Hanna because she's had a bad week? Regardless of Hanna and Caleb's past, he was Spencer's boyfriend when they kissed and Hanna had given Spencer her blessing... To then go and kiss him was conniving and wrong. She was "stressed" so she gets a pass? No. If you're going to give Spencer grief for her elevator tryst, then Hanna deserves it too, if not more, for cheating on her fiancé - who as far as we can tell is a good man who genuinely loves her AND for betraying her best friend - who she told to go ahead and move ahead with Caleb. Also, Spencer hasn't been horrible to Hanna. She was pleading with Caleb to stop his story and even before then had been very sensitive to the fact that Hanna had been through a lot. If my best friend made out with my boyfriend you can best believe my reaction would not have been as calm and reasonable as Spencer's. Finally, yes Spencer made some dumb decisions in HIGH SCHOOL with Melissa's boyfriends. I'm sure most of us have made mistakes when we were that age and would prefer not to be judged by them as adults. With Caleb, however, she did everything by the book. If you just hate it because you love Haleb then fine. But Hanna, in my opinion, has been the real grimey one here. She didn't want Caleb until she saw him happy with Spencer. She was happy with her rich, English/Australian bland guy because he was rich and she got to live the NY lifestyle. Then Caleb and Spencer move on and BOOM, now is the time to tell him about how she came back to the apartment. If Hanna was so in love and so hurt by this after 5 years, why did she not reach out to him to say this at any point over the last FIVE YEARS?! I call bull crap.