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Well, this was uncumfterble. So Victoria said she was literally going to die. Is that why she's not around anymore? What was literally tragic was that hideous and ill-fitting dress she was flouncing around in. Was it Rachel who said she had been waiting her whole life for him at the ripe old age of 24? I think Kit is kinda cute but she is 21 and acts it. Not that there's anything wrong with being that age and single. It looked to me like MJ and Jessenia were reciting lines. They both should go. I find Matt painfully dull. One of the most dramatic parts of this show was the ribbon on the bottom of the screen showing all the school closures in Massachusetts. Not making light of Noreasters which can be nasty, but I live on the west coast and wish this incessant rain would turn to snow.

Too much Ralph for sure, but I am not sold on Drew either - most definitely a toxic relationship. I am finding this season really tedious so far. A friend of mine is a natural 32H. No surgical enhancement. Before she went to a specialty shop I think she was wearing a 36C or D, and the fit is incredibly different. So is the price.

I hate the bullshit PC direction they have gone with this season. I wish they had just canned Brandi as they did Leanne instead of giving her a redemption tour. I find thisTiffany person so ostentatious and not in a funny way a la Kam. I hated both Kary and D'andra last year for the gang ups on Leanne and now D'andra is trying to smudge all her horrific behaviour away with sage? I still remember it all. That Brandi on a stick thing wasn't that amusing. And Kary is even more hateful than last year, which I didn't believe could be possible. The only one that comes across as kind and real is Stephanie, especially when she is not around trashy Brandi. She is the only thing that makes this watchable for me, and I am okay with D'andra when she is with Jeremy.

I am impressed with Craig being able to stand up to the unapologetic rabid pitbull that is Madison. She is such a dreadful bitch. I think I might like Leva a little bit better if she would stop talking or yelling over everybody. I can't stand these overbearing new people. It is clear that neither Shep nor Craig get their hair done by anyone. Not sure if they are just rocking the COVID cut, but it would not hurt them to book an appointment with Chelsea. Madison might scalp them. Could Andy at least try to be a slightly more objective moderator? It is obvious who he sides with and it ruins these reunions.

All of this, but the bold was the highlight of this episode for me. 🤣

I got sober by joining AA but immersed myself by getting a good sponsor and actually working the steps. Attending meetings and listening to others' drunkalogues in itself is not usually a long term solution. I am no longer actively involved but am not sure that I would have managed to put together 18 years of continuous sobriety without it, but am also not sure it's for everyone. Having said that, I don't doubt for one second that Brown Wind is an alcoholic, and Kelly has no business questioning it and her argument sounds ridiculous. Yes, there are some that are mandated by the court to attend AA but I have never seen anyone attend or even admit to being an alcoholic just for fun. But I think Brown Wind clearly also has a mental condition that needs to be treated - if it is narcissism, not so easy. It is not at all unusual for an alcoholic to have a dual diagnosis. I also think that Shannon and Kelly might need to have a good long look in the mirror based on their drinking behaviours. Although Kelly is a vile, vulgar piece of trash either way.

Lol. I dont think he is that bad, especially compared to the rest of the newbies. I never want to have to see Leva again for all the reasons others have mentioned. I disliked Madison when she first came on the show and now after seeing her in her full narcissistic sociopathic glory, loathe her. Even though Austen is no prize, he shouldn't be wasting one more second on her. And Patricia has gone down several more notches for fawning over her. It is truly bizarre when Craig and Shep came out looking like the best people in this cast. Yes! If this is the best that Whitney and Bravo can come up with this needs to be shitcanned. This show has truly jumped the shark mating dolphins.

Couldn't have said it better myself. This is one giant snore.

I also am impressed with the strides that Eddie has taken. Just like night and day from his previous stints a few years ago. He has become a very competent and professional manager. New guy is Rob. I have worked with a lot of geologists during my career, and many of them are......strange.

Oh lordy, let's not put this out to the universe. I still kind of like that show, but it would be a hard pass if that happens!

No, but she is literally, like a homely moron. How can these producers - ahem CHRIS - be so myopic that they think the viewers find her entertaining?

I get the eastern feed also but don't sit down to watch this train wreck until 7 PT, and record it to avoid the onslaught of D+ and pharma commercials. Getting so tired of seeing this plastered all over the screen when we can't even get it in Canada. Rant over.

Great. West coaster can't get here on time for this thread.

That is what did it for you? And how about being vulnerable? I guess "marketing" is the new "pharmaceutical sales" job description of choice. Why are there 21 year olds on this show? Queen Vic is neither attractive, charming nor funny. Please be gone. These are officially entered in the Bachelor lexicon (some old, some newer): It's a lot I love that Let's do a cheers "Like" repeated at least twice in every sentence Him/her and I 's Vulnerable/vunnerable

Yep. She is a thug with money.

I actually found her to be one of the most unlikable from day one, as was Candiace. I won't miss her or that stupid bird one bit.

How could you possibly forget the notorious Ashley I and Jared? ☺

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree! Not a fan of hers at all. Bullet dodged for sure.

Hi Antonia from Top Chef! So nice to see her again. Tayshia must have spent her time in quarantine memorizing the chapter Becca submitted in the Bachelorette handbook. Not gonna lie, like, it's a lot. I guess we can thank the gods that "lets do the damn thing" was left out. And she has mastered the handshake. Diploma worthy! Ben's scoop neck shirt is most definitely a fashion don't. Wow, that was a cold good night. Poor guy needs to learn how to express his emotions. I hope he realizes that he blew it by not professing his everlasting adoration. All in all, this seemed to be a generally good crop of guys.

Good Lord this better not be turning into another repeat of the last BH season. I am sick to death of all this "shes lying" crap. Sad and depressing indeed. Kelly is a total piece of trash. That conversation she had with Shannon' s dad and his girlfriend was disgusting. Brawnwyn needs to deal with her sobriety and her family off screen. She and her husband are the thirstiest couple I have ever seen. Those kids of theirs are going to have some issues. Emily sure has dialled it up to 11 this season. I dont know if I like it on her, but am glad that Shane has loosened up a bit. I would not miss Gina one single bit if she disappeared but am kind of digging Elizabeth and her realness.

Have they had sex though? I thought they had to wait for marriage. He is definitely blinded by something. Maybe it's that 100 watt permasmile.

Ariela is a spoiled, selfish, slow-witted, delusional, immature brat that needs to shut the hell up. This circumcision will hurt baby Avi a lot less at this age than if he had to have it done later in life. I get that it is very hard to hear your infant crying in pain but somebody needs to slap the whinging out of this stupid girl. While pregnancy hormones are real, if she thinks Bini was being mean to her, when he was calm and reasonable, she needs to develop a thicker skin. Her pouting about someone always winning and someone always losing was such bullshit - she is not happy unless she is getting her own way all the time. She is no victim, there are consequences to choices that are made. I cannot for the life of me understand what Yazan sees in this flake Brittany. Poor poor misguided fella thinks she is going to put her big Kartrashian ass away and convert to Islam. There certainly is no denying the paternity of this woman - she comes by that permasmile honestly and even Max the dog seems to have one. She did look pretty in her braids and minimal makeup. She should not leave Florida because this train wreck is doomed to fail. About time Sumit is going to work! Jenny's a big girl and she can figure things out herself without having a full time babysitter. Cheesedick and Malyza - zzzzzzz had a nice little snooze through that. Kenny, don't be an Eyore. Have a little patience. Surely there must be some resources that can help them through the process - they can't be the only same sex couple in Mexico that have gone through this.

Yes, everybody is different. I also have a close relative who has a serious alcohol and cocaine addiction. He has been fired from two senior executive level jobs, and has had two interventions by family members. He is in his late 30s and none of this had prompted him to admit that he is powerless and needs help. Due to his unacceptable behaviour caused by his addiction and his unwillingness to accept that it is a problem, recently his partner left him and took their toddler with her. This has been a wake up call for him and he is seeking some kind of outpatient treatment and as far as I know he has been clean for a couple of months. He has tons of family support but I am not convinced that even now he really gets it. I pray that with time he will be able to see his part in the path of destruction and will stay on the road to recovery and healing. Being sober and being recovered are two very different things which is why the rates of relapse are so high. Along with complete abstinence, there is a ton of inner work that must be done. Many physical symptoms can be reversed once the substance is eliminated. I am glad that things have worked out for your relative and hope they continue that way.

I have been in recovery from alcohol addiction for 18 years. Every alcoholic that I know has made that diagnosis themselves. You can be an alcoholic without having any physical symptoms if you are lucky enough to catch it before your body and mind start failing, so lab tests and doctors are not the least bit helpful. It is simply recognizing that you have no control over how much you drink and that life has become unmanageable, and admitting that you need help - that is hitting bottom. There are many options for recovery including treatment centres and AA, to mention a couple. Aftercare is a lifelong pursuit. Having said that, I do not think that Brawnwyn is faking it. She displays all the characteristics and I have heard her spouting off some AA jargon, so she clearly has attended at least one meeting. I have never seen one single person that has attended AA that didn't belong there, unless maybe it was court mandated. Maybe she needs the money, but this show is the last place she should be for the sake of her own sobriety and mental well being. It is quite clear that she has a lot of unresolved trauma and she needs to do a lot of inner work and probably seek professional help. YMMV on all of this. I wish her well, but she is not doing herself (or us) any favours by being on this show and in the rags every week. I remember vividly how difficult it was in the early days to just get through each day and I personally learned how to navigate social situations but it was not easy, as I tend to be a private and introverted person, unlike these attention seekers. Agree on Kelly - she is trash.

Olivia is the biggest sour puss I have ever seen and I hate that she takes absolutely no ownership for her part in the failure of her marriage and also for the fact that she made Brett feel so guilty that he still appeared to be trying to make an effort to reconnect with her. And the "experts" were not holding her feet to the fire either, although it did not look like they were necessarily taking her side on this 100%. I don’t love Brett, but she is just a miserable buzz kill. This match was a disaster from day one. Their values and priorities couldn’t be farther apart. Amani saying that she wanted a divorce - I did not think that little joke was the least bit funny. I hope the honeymoon phase of this relationship evolves into a solid union for these two. I wish that we had been shown a bit more of the evolving relationship that Miles and Karen have been building but really have doubts about these two making it, unless there was a lot that we didn’t see. It seems that Miles wants marriage so badly that he has been doing all the work and I wish that if Karen wasn’t into him she would have just said no and spared him any more frustration. I thought that Amelia looked the best I have seen her so far and Bennett looked like he was dressed in an organ grinder’s monkey’s costume. I would have laughed so hard if Amelia and Bennett came out and said that was not their car! But of course they loved the cheesiness of it. ChristinA is such a liarface and she needs to cover up that chest - it is not a flattering look. I wonder if she thinks it makes her chin look smaller?? It doesn't. I feel terrible for Henry to have been matched with this loser, but he has always taken the high road and that must not have been easy. I enjoyed this season much more than the previous few, and I am not going to comment on the previews as we know that they are always very misleading.