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Just show a promo still for S4. I didn't even bother to open the link up to view the promo video. I just can't. Sleepy Hollow, for me, died with Abbie.

I have repeatedly posted that none of us knows what went on or is going on behind closed doors at FOX. I have speculated, as have others, from what we saw from week to week on SH. I saw the tweet from NB asking why she wasn't being followed by SH on twitter. The tweet that was pulled down about the DVD commentary, I didn't see. I also listened to the podcast about NB wanting to wear her hair natural. And, I still say the information that is coming from FOX and being spread is second-hand and spurious. The information comes from questionable sources: people who are related to SH and possibly their cohorts. I'm not trying to be argumentative or troublesome. I'm only stating my opinion. I have made no attempts to cloak my opinion as the gospel, because it is not. It is limited to what I actually know, and that's little. Remember there are 3 sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth. I don't know the truth, and unless someone here had a front-row seat at what really happened at FOX, then they are speculating like the rest of us. I cannot speak for others, so I'lll say "speculating like I am". I don't think I ever said NB didn't have a right to make a grown-up choice to leave SH. I just speculate that she had a boot in her ass as she was leaving the room. Deuces.

Everything you posted is second-hand information. We, none of us, really know what happened behind closed doors. Is it impossible to enjoy the show for what you really want out of it (TM), and not disparage NB? If it were me, I wouldn't think twice about an actor who left a show if she weren't the primary reason for my watching in the first place. NB doesn't deserve the hate, but SH does.

As hard as it is to come by roles in this industry, a WOC would not leave a job like the one that NB had, the female lead in SH. It was after the contracts were signed and SH was getting ready to go into its second year that NB fully realized what she had gotten into, IMO. NB didn't leave SH to return to movies. She was ecstatic over the job at SH. Every interview she did attested to it. I've been on this planet long enough to know when someone has been royally shafted. NB didn't deserve the way she was treated by TPTB, and the fandom didn't deserve the way we were treated.

Exactly. TPH left POI for movies was CBS' spin. Shortly thereafter, she landed the female lead on Empire. WGN America is promoting the hell out of POI using TPH in a lot of their promos. I started watching POI for Taraji, and I left when they killed her off and offered up a lame excuse for doing so. No one in their right mind would willingly give up a steady paycheck (a tv series) for an iffy paycheck (movies), unless their circumstances were so unbearable that they would do it in a heartbeat to save their sanity. If you know someone is shitting on you and you know that they know it, what do you do? When you know there is no win for you no matter what you do, what do you do? If you know the only thing you have left in the situation is your dignity, what do you do? Sometimes you have to burn a bridge or two, and cut your losses. The old adage, If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything, is so apropos. If you don't understand and cannot empathize with what POC really go through in this country try not to minimalize it or trivialize it.

^^^^Totally agree.^^^

They are most definitely trying to wait for the controversy to die down. I will be back in the Spring, but not to watch or praise or promote SH. I will be one of the voices denouncing it.

I don't know what was said or is being said at FOX, but I do know what was presented to me on screen. They screwed over NB, Abbie Mills, and the Ichabbie fandom. Let me put this out there for those of you who don't know: I was for Ichabbie, Abbie and Crane, together on screen. It didn't matter if it was romantic or not, I just wanted NB and TM on screen as equals. I'm not going to hate on TM, because I like the actor, and because NONE of us knows what happened behind closed doors at FOX. If SH tanks, and I truly hope it does, NO ONE has the right to point the finger at NB, not FOX and not TM fans. It wasn't her fault the show was losing ground and it is not up to her true fans to support SH so that it can stay on the air. NB had no power on that show. If she had, she'd still be there. What FOX is spewing and what we saw happen on our TV screens week after week are butting heads. FOX is still asking us to participate in their BS. Ooh ooh! They wanted a diverse cast, well we'll keep Lance, Lyndie, and Sophia. I'm still not interested. Ooh, ooh! We'll send Crane off to research the origins of the Witnesses. I'm still not interested. Ooh, oooh! We'll update Crane's appearance. Once you take Crane out of his 1700's garb, cut his hair even shorter, and shave his beard, you no longer have Ichabod Crane. What you'll have is a clone of every other male lead in every other show on TV. I wasn't pretending to like NB/AM, I was and am total trash. You don't even have to watch SH to know how women, especially WOC, are treated in this patriarchal society. It is shameful. The only power I have in this crap is to not watch SH. It is my way of plucking my eyes out to that which offends me.

Lugosi-types aren't what is wanted anymore. It's a great loss for the audience. The people who make vampire shows want their vampires to be more human than evil. It's a big draw for their much younger audiences, but it's a turnoff for me. The audiences are utterly shocked when a vampire behaves the way his nature says he should behave. The audiences attribute human qualities to beings that are inherently evil. Vampires are dead creatures walking among and preying upon the living.

Not so interesting so much as typical. FOX is blaming Abbie's demise on NB. Tom is not a "big star". Who exactly was TM before SH? This doesn't change how I feel about TM, but FOX's statement only adds fuel to the fire. The positive feedback about SH they claim to have gotten back that made them renew the series is utter BULLSHIT! FOX was and is tone death to what a great portion of their audience wanted. We did not tune in for CFD and nor will we tune in for the Ichabod Crane Show. We paid for SH with the time we devoted to the show. We want what we paid for, not some half-assed knockoff. Every freaking time I see some BS like FOX's BS, I see someone blaming the victim. I will not accept it, because I cannot accept it. Let it be known to all of you who will tune into SH, you do what you have to do. I ain't mad atcha. As for me, I hope SH does a Hindenburg--crashes and burns like a mutha.

Exactly.

Not a new movie. She was very good in it. I was totally surprised by how tiny she really is. That is the reason I didn't like the scene of NB and TM holding hands going into purgatory. Her hand is sooo tiny, and Tom's is sooo big. It looked like an adult holding a child's hand.

I just read this on a site I'm not familiar with, so I high-tailed it straight here to find out if the renewal is indeed true. Well, bust my buttons and call me stooopid. Never in a million years did I think that FOX would be that damn gullible to think that Crane can succeed as a character without Abbie Mills character as played by NB. To be honest, without Abbie, Crane is just a caricature. Well, I will not participate in their lunacy.

Plec said, after IS said S8 will be his last season, KG can stay as long as she wants. They have not completely closed the door on her yet. If I had any influence on KG, I would tell her to get as far away from TVD as she possibly can and never work for the CW again. If the plan was to strip Bonnie of everything, and I do mean everything, why didn't they just let her die? She doesn't have any connections to Mystic Falls now. I for one am going to leave the show to the fans it is being written for, because clearly I am not in those numbers. Deuces.